2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

[shayellis]

Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

I remember 2k saying they didn't have gameplay styles options for Online modes because they didn't want to separate the player base. Well,, If 2k ever adds cross platform, (hopefully with option to not match with pc players) they have no excuse to not have different gameplay styles for online modes. If people want an arcade Rec Center with Green or bust, fine. But also have an option for Simulation Rec/Pro Am mode.

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[NINJAK2]

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Great post 24th. Things I care about like bringing back coach mode, bringing back NBA jerseys instead of those dumb t-shirts to black top or streamlining play calling so it isn't so cumbersome are things probably not at the top of the 2k community's list. Trying to appease everyone is an impossible task.

[zello144]

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Might as well change the name of the franchise from NBA 2k to Greenlight 2k instead.

[HesiPullupJimbo]

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Might as well change the name of the franchise from NBA 2k to Greenlight 2k instead.

Might as well release park as a separate f2p game

[Kushmir]

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I agree with several guys here regarding how online has helped 2K explode--which is a good thing. The game has more resources and its the rising tide that lifts all boats. The reality of three different experiences we want (Park, Pro-Am and NBA) doesn't happen if the company is struggling.

Junior Moe's point about specific content is getting overlooked as well. Give offline/franchise and PNO players the content they want and they'll spend money.

Lastly, tuning games based on player feedback is a slippery slope in general. While tuning based on the elite player is PARAMOUNT, like I mentioned before, very often they'll make suggestions catered to their play-style (made shots requiring greens, ect..[emoji849]) which is never a good thing. The devs need to have a vision and move in that direction. Sure, sometimes that requires correction but basing it completely on the whims/reactions of a segment of casual players won't end well.

The casual obsession with green releases is pretty easy to get as its the closest thing to a "press X to win" button they'll get. Its also counter-productive to the game's progress. I honestly regret the day Mike added it and the attention it garners has taken so much attention away from other parts of the game (transition defense, coaching options, risk/reward gameplay) that really need to be fleshed out.

[The 24th Letter]

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I feel like Mike echoed that sentiment.

If he could go back, he would have never added it...because of the precedence set after its implementation.

People forget It was something SIM and NON SIM players alike asked for originally though. People wanted to know why they were making/ missing shots. Mike actually spent an entire day or two here speaking about the thought process behind it when 2K15 came out.

[awg811]

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that was just an excuse.



that move handicapped people as they didn’t have to learn any of the new dribble mechanics because they could rely on one exploit.



2k could add 100’s of dribble animations people would still use the same 5 recommended on youtube that give an edge lol.

100%.
2k nerfed one cheesy dribble move and all the sudden everyone was complaining there’s not enough variety of moves.
There are, people just choose to use the cheesy ones.
There’s a million different combinations of moves sets that can be used in 2k, but there’s very few that you can quickly spam together and cheese.
I play pg and I rarely ever have problems taking anyone off the dribble with one or two moves.
I don’t need 20 seconds of the shot clock to spam dribble moves while two people sit wide open in the corners and I miss 20 opportunities to drive or shoot because I’m too busy spamming.
Stop trying to make excuses for bums with low basketball IQ. There’s more variety in dribble moves now then there ever has been, but the amount of cheesy ones is a little more limited.


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[Hellquist]

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I see 2K going the way of NBA Live if they forget about the fans that got them to where they are - real basketball sim heads, and credibility that they have given 2K by approving of the game over the years on the realistic aspects of the game that 2K was able to achieve. Guess what 2K, if real ballers start heavily trash talking your product, you lose all credibility in the basketball world. The casuals will follow, and be on to the next trendy game. Gameplay is still king. Do you you know what happens when the game goes Full Arcade? The hardcore players abandon the game because might as well play NBA Street or NBA Jam. Realism means rewarding realism and IQ. If that incentive is gone, there's no point in playing. 2K20 is *somewhat* realistic. Go full arcade and it's a wrap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZC_P06Zcj8

They basically ask Agent00, what gameplay improvements do you want? I wouldn't exactly call him the beacon of basketball knowledge or having high bball iq. He's a casual gamer.

"
- I want more effective animations (read: cheese. he was basically upset behind the back move was nerfed).
- I do get simulation, but I play videogames to HAVE FUN
- More fast paced
"

Aka

"Realism is icky"
"I'm playing a videogame, I don't want to think or have to use my brain or have any negative consequences from my low iq, it needs to be dumbed down and easy. Just give me a glitch move I can spam so I can post it on youtube like I have skills". Lol


Of course videogames should be fun, but a lot of people find realism to be fun. Unrealistic bs and cheese doesn't = "fun", it just becomes annoying that bums get rewarded. Or if defense isn't rewarded, it becomes like "what's the point?". Less badge grinding would make the game more fun for sure.

It's not just Agento00, but AnnoyingTV or whatever his name is and all those geeks. All of us can beat them by 40 by the 2nd half. These aren't sim players and they suck.

[jfsolo]

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Sadly online is a lost cause for sim players, but I will never understand the decision to make green splashes a mandatory aspect of offline play. This is tin foil hat territory, but that felt like offline peeps were getting punished for some reason, it defies all rational thinking.

[Kushmir]

Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

I feel like Mike echoed that sentiment.

If he could go back, he would have never added it...because of the precedence set after its implementation.

I know it lol. They can't put the beasts/evils back in Pandora's Box now tho [emoji23]

Not that it matters but I def wasn't one of those. Sometimes you miss shots...and thats OK. I dont like screen clutter in general (not even kill-feeds in shooters) I feel like the "orgy of information" really takes away from the experience and kills guess work--which could really add to the game's excitement. I hate the EA "look! you just used our shiny new feature" mentality [emoji23]

Hell, I even wrote about it how much I HATED the shot meter, but now can I admit it added more of a skill aspect to the game (and slowed the game a bit, which helped the defense) its really just the greens I have an issue with. http://spgmg.blogspot.com/2016/10/wh...hot-meter.html

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

I agree with several guys here regarding how online has helped 2K explode--which is a good thing. The game has more resources and its the rising tide that lifts all boats. The reality of three different experiences we want (Park, Pro-Am and NBA) doesn't happen if the company is struggling.

Junior Moe's point about specific content is getting overlooked as well. Give offline/franchise and PNO players the content they want and they'll spend money.

Lastly, tuning games based on player feedback is a slippery slope in general. While tuning based on the elite player is PARAMOUNT, like I mentioned before, very often they'll make suggestions catered to their play-style (made shots requiring greens, ect..[emoji849]) which is never a good thing. The devs need to have a vision and move in that direction. Sure, sometimes that requires correction but basing it completely on the whims/reactions of a segment of casual players won't end well.

The casual obsession with green releases is pretty easy to get as its the closest thing to a "press X to win" button they'll get. Its also counter-productive to the game's progress. I honestly regret the day Mike added it and the attention it garners has taken so much attention away from other parts of the game (transition defense, coaching options, risk/reward gameplay) that really need to be fleshed out.

*Clap clap clap clap clap* 100% agree

[Jrocc23]

2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

I agree. I hate Mike is being heavily influenced by guys like him and kids on Twitter. Anytime you say something about realism, they’re argument is it’s a video game and to go outside and play lol.

Mike made a post and I made a comment about removing being able to peoples meter or when they hit a green release. All these kids attack about it and my simple question is why is that so important to you? They always say, “People be lying about greening.” It always blows my mind lol. Like why is that such a big deal? All you have to literally do is watch the ball and see if it goes in or not. It’s just a silly thing to be in the game.

Then they make posts about if you’re open, you should make the shot 90% of the time even if you do not perfect the release. Just wild stuff. I wish Mike would just trust himself more like he used to and stick to it. Quit letting them change the game after the fact and etc.


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[ataman5]

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Social media isn't real. You don't know how many true to person say anything on there, there could be thousands of troll accounts telling the same thing over and over as if it's real and 2k gets their feedback off of it, way too problematic.

You can't be managed by social media, you can't create for social media, you can't listen to social media to show that you care about customers, they are very well likely to be no customer at all!

2k is on a wrong lead and if they keep on doing this the fall is near.

Marketing a game is different than creating a game(or anything).

[cjacks17]

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If the idea is that us sim heads should be listened to instead, this thread isn't exactly a glowing endorsement, lol.

First, I'm all about sim nation, and have been from the jump, but a lot of us older sim heads need to get over this superiority complex because we click a different mode in a video game menu.

Park, Neighborhood & Pro Am have grown the game exponentially, and are here to stay...they arent going anywhere. They arent creating a different game for them. YouTubers and social influencers, much like pretty much every other industry are tied into that- this isn't changing either, only growing. Its a reality that's what's been way past due to accept.

As far as Agent, he's a content creator, and while he's prone to cringy content creator things...Overall he's a pretty level headed, well spoken guy who has some good ideas. His favorite 2K is 2K16. Which a lot of us agree with. I think all he was saying is the same thing I've been saying for years....that was the last year I felt you could uss a variety of creative moves on offense rather than some key moves to succeed.

Czars pinned tweet wasn't conceding that sim heads don't have a place, the original conversation stemmed from the exaxt opposite. We just have to continue to speak out and carve out our niche. We can keep monologing about how we've been playing since Dreamcast and how it used to be or we can use our voices in a meaningful way.

This is exactly why it should be balanced. Park should be arcadey. Rec should be simmy.

I don't think it's that hard to do. Obvioulsy playground basketball in real life can get pretty crazy, so I have zeor issue with that and guys that want to play that way can do so.

But in a 5 on 5 basketball seeing some of the **** you see, it's just silly.

[tru11]

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This is exactly why it should be balanced. Park should be arcadey. Rec should be simmy.



I don't think it's that hard to do. Obvioulsy playground basketball in real life can get pretty crazy, so I have zeor issue with that and guys that want to play that way can do so.



But in a 5 on 5 basketball seeing some of the **** you see, it's just silly.

It aint hard.

Its a matter of adjusting the sliders.

Kinda like park being on rookie and rec being on superstar and pro am being on hof.


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