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  • Hustle Westbrook
    MVP
    • Jan 2015
    • 3113

    #181
    re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

    I don’t how I feel about the shooting. It’s annoying as hell missing so many open shots but I want to give it a bit more time and try to adjust. I think since the general gameplay is good so far so it’s not bothering me as much lol.
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    • Mbunn1993
      Pro
      • Nov 2012
      • 870

      #182
      re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

      Thought I had a good feel for shot aiming while in 2KU, once I got in game I was terrible. Everything is happening so fast already its hard to manage the aiming on top of it. Gonna keep practicing though.

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      • rudyjuly2
        Cade Cunningham
        • Aug 2002
        • 14816

        #183
        re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

        Originally posted by JimmyK
        Wheres this footage of everyone on the court shooting less than 10% each game? I have seen, and can link you to tons of games where guys are hitting open shots in the Park without badges without a problem. With video, there's at least some context as to what build are they shooting with, if they are learning to aim, if they are timing it wrong/aiming it wrong, if they are contested, etc.

        It's not as bad as you claim, because there are way too many videos of day one footage of good shooting that's easy to find. Making the game easy for everyone to do everything amazing on day one isn't an answer.
        You can debate this issue but there are tons of people online having major issues. Cover boy Dame Lillard called it out too. Check out this one shot chart in the thread.


        Some people may not have issues but this goes beyond “get good!” or “we needed a skill gap argument”. I’ve got a number of friends I follow that are all jacking up the shooting sliders because neither they OR the cpu can shoot worth crap.

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        • Erithtotl
          Pro
          • Aug 2002
          • 679

          #184
          re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

          Originally posted by JimmyK
          Wheres this footage of everyone on the court shooting less than 10% each game? I have seen, and can link you to tons of games where guys are hitting open shots in the Park without badges without a problem. With video, there's at least some context as to what build are they shooting with, if they are learning to aim, if they are timing it wrong/aiming it wrong, if they are contested, etc.

          It's not as bad as you claim, because there are way too many videos of day one footage of good shooting that's easy to find. Making the game easy for everyone to do everything amazing on day one isn't an answer.
          don't know what park is like as I don't play it, but in years past ita always been more arcade and easier than rec or pro am. Also people aren't exactly going to post Videos of them sucking. Just played another game where the teams should a combined 0 for 29 from 3.

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          • zhouprodigy92
            Rookie
            • Sep 2019
            • 202

            #185
            re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

            Originally posted by Mbunn1993
            Thought I had a good feel for shot aiming while in 2KU, once I got in game I was terrible. Everything is happening so fast already its hard to manage the aiming on top of it. Gonna keep practicing though.
            This, for me.

            I played one game online after trying to work in 2ku, and honestly, there is an aiming issue. Both my opponent and I were clanking shots left and right. I probably saw one 3 go in between us, before he quit in the 3rd quarter.

            I feel like the issue isn't shooting, it's 3s in general. I have had a lot of success with good midrange shooters able to knock down button jumpers. However, using the same button, getting slightly releases, I'm clanking all over the place. It seems like a slider fix, at least for those of us that play online and can't change sliders.

            For people offline, well, are y'all finding success jacking the sliders up? What are they on default, for each of the difficulties?

            But with online gameplay, aiming with the stick, I still see an issue: the lag.

            In the (one) game I played, I had the same issue that I was having offline, but worse: I could not get the aim right. The issue is that, because of the lag, you can't I'm "overjudging the aim". In real time, I'm seeing that I'm just to the right, so I push it to the left. However, it takes a while to get to the left, so in my mind, I need to push it more - which results in that WIDE left release.

            As it is, there doesn't seem to be time to actually realize you have aimed correctly, because the aiming isn't registering until a second or so later - which, when we are talking about minute movements to the left or right, is a very big issue.

            I'm gonna keep trying to play online (RIP to my record against actually good players) and see if I can find out. At this point, though, it just seems like 2k as usual: learning to play with the lag after you learn to play without it.
            Last edited by zhouprodigy92; 09-05-2020, 01:47 PM. Reason: Forgot to finish comment

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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
              Once in a Lifetime Memory
              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #186
              re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

              Originally posted by JimmyK
              Wheres this footage of everyone on the court shooting less than 10% each game? I have seen, and can link you to tons of games where guys are hitting open shots in the Park without badges without a problem. With video, there's at least some context as to what build are they shooting with, if they are learning to aim, if they are timing it wrong/aiming it wrong, if they are contested, etc.

              It's not as bad as you claim, because there are way too many videos of day one footage of good shooting that's easy to find. Making the game easy for everyone to do everything amazing on day one isn't an answer.
              I don't have the game yet and I honestly had no issue with the shot aiming in the demo once I got used to it (I very very rarely greened but I was shooting 40-50% every game), but here's a clip for example of someone just practicing with Steph using the shot timing.

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              • loso_34
                MVP
                • Jul 2010
                • 1352

                #187
                re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                You can debate this issue but there are tons of people online having major issues. Cover boy Dame Lillard called it out too. Check out this one shot chart in the thread.


                Some people may not have issues but this goes beyond “get good!” or “we needed a skill gap argument”. I’ve got a number of friends I follow that are all jacking up the shooting sliders because neither they OR the cpu can shoot worth crap.
                the my career/park community lives to complain. people just became accustomed to shooting 40% from 3 with the likes of john wall and 60% in rec with their player.

                we’re a day in man did people think they could master shooting that quickly?

                i rather they tune shooting around the good players instead of what we had last year.

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                • loso_34
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1352

                  #188
                  re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                  Originally posted by Lakers 24 7
                  Dame saying he hasn't made a free throw yet tells me he does need to practice and learn the new meter. That's user error because free throws are easy to nail. Hit 100% in my last game, PNO.
                  yea ft timing is as easy as last year

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                  • BChizzle
                    Chi Til I Die.
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 125

                    #189
                    re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                    Playing against CPU on Hall of Fame. Driving in this game is way too easy. Just played a game using Lebron and he can basically drive past defenders for a dunk EVERY possession. Tried another game using Ben Simmons against the Celtics, same result. Ended up scoring 30 in the first half just driving past the defender for dunks/layups. Of course, sliders could probably fix that.. maybe.

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                    • m29a
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 368

                      #190
                      re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                      Originally posted by BChizzle
                      Playing against CPU on Hall of Fame. Driving in this game is way too easy. Just played a game using Lebron and he can basically drive past defenders for a dunk EVERY possession. Tried another game using Ben Simmons against the Celtics, same result. Ended up scoring 30 in the first half just driving past the defender for dunks/layups. Of course, sliders could probably fix that.. maybe.
                      Matchups can matter. Which player was defending these drives? There is a wide range of difference between a poor/mediocre defender and a great one.

                      If for example, Ben Simmons was going up against Kemba Walker or another PG, it's not too surprising that it'd be easy to get by and and successfully finish especially against the Celtics who don't have amazing bigs. We're talking undersized 5s in Theis and Williams, along with Kanter. Add in that the Celtics have been playing some of their wings at the 4, and they're vulnerable inside for sure.

                      I'm just trying to point out that additional context is helpful here in figuring out why and how things are happening.

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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #191
                        re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                        Having to make the game harder is a good problem to have. I'm not even dominating Superstar yet but if you're that nice that you're dominating HOF already I respect it!

                        That's the beauty of being an offline gamer, sliders and options. What we don't want is overcorrection on 2K's part adding invisible walls and rubber bands to artificially increase difficulty. This happened last year.

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                        • Baebae32
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 880

                          #192
                          re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                          Originally posted by BChizzle
                          Playing against CPU on Hall of Fame. Driving in this game is way too easy. Just played a game using Lebron and he can basically drive past defenders for a dunk EVERY possession. Tried another game using Ben Simmons against the Celtics, same result. Ended up scoring 30 in the first half just driving past the defender for dunks/layups. Of course, sliders could probably fix that.. maybe.
                          I would agree here. Its due to the AI taking poor angles when defending on ball. The CPU defenders are not programmed to depth step and take angles to cut you off. If you watch in replay the CPU slides forward momentarily before going side way when you make a move to get by them

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                          • themoneyteam1212
                            Pro
                            • Aug 2014
                            • 526

                            #193
                            re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                            Can anyone tell me if shooting or 3 pointing shooting is broken using real player % please? Thank you

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                            • spinoff
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2020
                              • 131

                              #194
                              re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                              Controls are less and less coherent.
                              It's not as accurate and clear as it was in nba2k16-17-18 for example.
                              The new shoot system exacerbates the problems.
                              For example :
                              This stepback animation, this, no other. Press the shoot button briefly + Left joystick backwards. Impossible to do it with the shot aiming system.
                              Also, it is impossible to shoot with the drible in the back using the Aiming system (harden in the video)
                              And, Why is this very useful movement to make fouls on the 3-point line no longer accessible for 2 years ? (vidéo Steph Curry 2k18)

                              I hope that for the next gen console they are focused on the gameplay....
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                              • Erithtotl
                                Pro
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 679

                                #195
                                re: NBA 2K21 Last Gen Impressions

                                Originally posted by Lakers 24 7
                                Well put. The game takes a lot of skill this year, but I'm afraid 2k is going to eventually make everything easy again because of all the people complaining. I hope they don't ignore the silent majority.
                                LOL. Look, we can debate whether the game should be targeted at hardcore competitive players or casuals (I personally prefer something in the middle), but the idea that there is a silent majority of people who want a game that requires dozens of hours of practice to occasionally hit an open 3 pointer is absurd. The vast majority of the millions of people who buy 2K are casual players who want to feel like their heroes, not put in hours and hours practicing their jumper.

                                I played about 1800 rec games in 2k20. There are better players than me for sure but I'm hardly a 'casual'. I hate that if you shoot under %50 from 3 you are a failure, or that players with a 50 3-pointer can consistently hit from the corner like in 2k20. Shooting was too easy. But on the other hand, I don't think you should have to be a hardcore player to shoot %40 on open 3s with Curry, or that you can literally get 20 'slightly early/slightly late' shots with a decent ~75 3 point shooter and go 0-20.

                                The number of 'stick' skills are pretty small in 2k. There's dribbling which traditionally is the hardest, shooting, finishing, post moves, and defense. You can be mediocre with the sticks with any of those excepting shooting, and as long as you are a smart player you can still have fun and be useful. What we are saying now though is that unless you are elite, you are useless as a shooter. None of the other skills require you to be elite to be effective. As a dribbler, you can be mediocre but you aren't going to dribble the ball off your foot if you don't combo those moves just right. But now we are saying that if you can't nail your shot just perfect, you are going to airball over and over.

                                The ideal is that any smart player should be able to be mildly effective with minimal practice, but that elite players who put in the 100s of hours should clearly be able to raise their game beyond that.

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