Making the Case That 'Perfect' Green Releases Should Be Removed From NBA 2K21 and All Future NBA 2K Games

[ChaseB]

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Thanks for all the positive feedback so far, you guys warm zeee soul as usual.

[tinpanalley]

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I'm going to have to ask (good article though) but maybe just for a sort of survey from players. I only play single player offline, I don't know if that has anything to do with my opinion, but what exactly is it that people find offensive about this system. I don't think I understand? Isn't hitting green in NBA2K with probabilities factored in the same as making contact in MLB The Show by timing correctly? Or ability to hit the back of the net in FIFA or PES based on holding down the shoot button enough? Or hitting a receiver with a pass based on the pass button but also the QB and receiver's probabilities? Human accuracy influenced by AI stats. How is the green for shooting any different? Can in no just be ignored by those who don't like it?

[demencia_total]

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I'm going to have to ask (good article though) but maybe just for a sort of survey from players. I only play single player offline, I don't know if that has anything to do with my opinion, but what exactly is it that people find offensive about this system. I don't think I understand? Isn't hitting green in NBA2K with probabilities factored in the same as making contact in MLB The Show by timing correctly? Or ability to hit the back of the net in FIFA or PES based on holding down the shoot button enough? Or hitting a receiver with a pass based on the pass button but also the QB and receiver's probabilities? Human accuracy influenced by AI stats. How is the green for shooting any different? Can in no just be ignored by those who don't like it?

Simple: There should be no guaranteed shots under any circumstances because once you master shooting, the percentages will trend upwards and it becomes ridiculously unrealistic. In the past several years I've had to eventually move to Real % shooting because once I get down the timing of the shots, I was rarely dropping below 55% for every game, even on HOF. At least with guaranteeing that there's always a chance (even if small) that the shot will miss, this will help in curbing the super high shooting percentages we tend to see during the normal course of a game.

Granted, there's always the case where people will cheese their way to ridiculous shooting percentages anyway, but for us who tend to not exploit the game, it would be a big deal to have at least some margin of error with every shot we take.

[tinpanalley]

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In the past several years I've had to eventually move to Real % shooting because once I get down the timing of the shots, I was rarely dropping below 55% for every game, even on HOF.

I guess what Im also saying is why do none of the people who dont like it seem to play without real %? That's all I've ever played so no matter how good I get, most players I use have different success rates. Just like most batters I use have slightly different swing mechanics and most hocmey players I control have shots that work better. I dont get why you wouldnt just use the real % option to begin with?

[demencia_total]

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I guess what Im also saying is why do none of the people who dont like it seem to play without real %? That's all I've ever played so no matter how good I get, most players I use have different success rates. Just like most batters I use have slightly different swing mechanics and most hocmey players I control have shots that work better. I dont get why you wouldnt just use the real % option to begin with?

I think using the real time mechanics provide an added challenge during the game, and Real % hasn't always been reliable, right now its a mess pre-patch (I'm on PC, no patches yet). Also, the guaranteed shots still exist for the AI even with Real %.

[Erithtotl]

Thumbs up on this one.  Green releases are long overdue to be removed.  

[Erithtotl]

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I'm going to have to ask (good article though) but maybe just for a sort of survey from players. I only play single player offline, I don't know if that has anything to do with my opinion, but what exactly is it that people find offensive about this system. I don't think I understand? Isn't hitting green in NBA2K with probabilities factored in the same as making contact in MLB The Show by timing correctly? Or ability to hit the back of the net in FIFA or PES based on holding down the shoot button enough? Or hitting a receiver with a pass based on the pass button but also the QB and receiver's probabilities? Human accuracy influenced by AI stats. How is the green for shooting any different? Can in no just be ignored by those who don't like it?

Even if you have greens, the fact they are visible changes behavior. As the writer said, the moment you see a green, you start going back on defense, and defenders can try and leak out for a long outlet because they know they don't have to crash.

Also, playing with real % is not a thing for many online scenarios. I'm not sure people care *that* much for purely offline play.

[Caelumfang]

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The funny part is that 2k has a chance to start fresh on the PS5 by leaving the 100% success rate behind on current-gen. But sadly, they won’t.

[GOBLUE_08]

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100% agree. It's such a gimmicky thing.

While they're at it, they need to separate my career and the park, and get rid of the bullsh*t badges. Or at least make it something we can turn off.

[kobestopper50]

This year’s version of 2K compared to last year’s version fails so much in overall fun & gameplay w/this shooting issue. I find myself dreading to play TTO or any mode in myteam cause of the shootings. 3pts now is like shootings @ a carnival,when I make one I practically throw a celebration w/bells & whistles.

[DaWolf]

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Agree 100%. Its such an arcady feature and has nothing to do with real life shooting. I think NBA Live had a great balance here wiht the shooting mechanics and I hope that 2K changes their system in the future to reward sim play and openess rather than a stupid green release meter.

[The Senator]

Tremendous, well reasoned article.  This is the sort of thing I love to read on OS. 

[2_headedmonster]

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I think there are arguements both ways, but i feel like anyone who says there is no such thinking as a 'green release' has never put up a large amount of shots in practice or been around elite shooters. Curry hit like 97 of 100 3s in practice

When you hit the shooting machine and figure out the your rhythm, you can tell when it's a miss and your whole mission is to make that as repeatable as possible.

Now it's not often in the game you are able to replicate that, i mean compared to what he did in practice, Currys record is 12 3's.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Agree 100%. Its such an arcady feature and has nothing to do with real life shooting. I think NBA Live had a great balance here wiht the shooting mechanics and I hope that 2K changes their system in the future to reward sim play and openess rather than a stupid green release meter.

As much as NBA Live was "terrible" with creating a good basketball game, their shooting percentages were good.

[tinpanalley]

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Hmm.. ok I hadn't considered the psychological element of seeing green and then immediately refocusing your attention on defense because your know before it's landed that it's going in. I would still argue those are fractions of seconds that don't actually help because if it's not green, I play for the rebound every time anyway, and if it IS green then the CPU is gonna get the ball and get to start again anyway in it's own time. And even with all that, I feel like we're talking milliseconds of benefit which perhaps I'm simply not talented enough to take advantage of that supposedly unfair headstart on what to do next.
Apart from that is the fact which clearly seems to make a huge difference which is that those most bothered by this green issue play with others online. I never do. I don't know exactly what it is about playing with others in a my player type environment that makes this worse but it doesnt affect my offline Season play. Or if it does, I'm too ugnorant to see how.