NBA 2K21 Next-Gen Gameplay Blog (Part 2 of 3) - Movement, Contact, Impact Engine & More

[ataman5]

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I'll try to give quote from a german philosopher Jürgen Habermas about the power of word, eventhough he was trying to explain a lot more serious stuff about the life itself ofcourse, but i thought this may help for 2k devs especially when writing blogs and also what i have previously tried to tell in this thread. It may not be the greatest translation but still from my understanding; he says: 'Power of word exists only in its exercise, in its actualization. Power is actualized only where word and deed have not parted company, where words are not empty.'....

2k lost the power a long time ago...

[just curious]

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In other words, we admit our current gen game is so f...ed up in so many ways

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[ForeverVersatile]

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If you think the 2K Kobe looks more realistic than the Live pic, you must be watching too much Toy Story or Monsters Inc animated movies lmao

I never said the Kobe looked good... I said what I said.

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[CujoMatty]

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I dunno about you guys but I wanted 2k to move like this. To me this is next gen. Right now it's very 2k and scripted. They need more lifelike nuances and animations. Granted the vids here looks like a bunch of older players moving around but I'd like to imagine having a full on 5on5 mo cap session with NBA players and have 2k just pick out proper animations from it. I recall Live tried something like this years ago. Maybe the tech wasn't there yet.



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2k needs some sort of animation that triggers consistently so I don't run in place when running into a teammate.



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The problem of this and why the animations are so good is it's all scripted. This isnt action happening organically with the cpu processing input and results in real time. This is just a basketball game animated with a cpu like making an animated movie.

One day this video will be possible I'm sure but we are far from it still I would guess.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Some people just need to admit that they want 2K Sports to adopt NBA Live's artistic style...

I'm trying to respect people's opinion regarding the models, but this topic is starting to dominate EVERY thread. If you don't like the artistic style of the game, then don't buy it. These conversation is basically falling into conversations where people who don't paint for a living are trying to tell a painter how to paint HIS work.

[Nevertheles109]

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Some people just need to admit that they want 2K Sports to adopt NBA Live's artistic style...

I'm trying to respect people's opinion regarding the models, but this topic is starting to dominate EVERY thread. If you don't like the artistic style of the game, then don't buy it. These conversation is basically falling into conversations where people who don't paint for a living are trying to tell a painter how to paint HIS work.

I almost feel like the graphic complaints are trivial at this point... I feel as though we are at point where the graphics were good enough on PS4, but from an animation and fluidity stand point, it was lacking and was a little clunky

Yet here we are getting caught up in the age old Live vs 2K debate and discussing next generation graphics, yet most of the videos they’ve released so far look like recycled animations from last gen.

Live is dead, so why do their graphics even matter?!

I understand the “built from the ground up” statement truly couldn’t have been the case, but man that’s serious salesmanship for them to push that and then show VERY similar looking gameplay with minimal new animations in these hype clips.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I almost feel like the graphic complaints are trivial at this point... I feel as though we are at point where the graphics were good enough on PS4, but from an animation and fluidity stand point, it was lacking and was a little clunky

Yet here we are getting caught up in the age old Live vs 2K debate and discussing next generation graphics, yet most of the videos they’ve released so far look like recycled animations from last gen.

Live is dead, so why do their graphics even matter?!

I understand the “built from the ground up” statement truly couldn’t have been the case, but man that’s serious salesmanship for them to push that and then show VERY similar looking gameplay with minimal new animations in these hype clips.

Personally, "realistic" graphics is not that important especially with the next-gen consoles. As many videogames I play, there's not a SINGLE videogame that mimics real life all the way down to the pixel. EVERY videogame as player models that's "not quite human". In real life, Lara Croft's breasts would jiggle a lot given how much she jumps and moves around in that game. And I KNOW people are not looking at GTAV and saying that the game has top flight player models. In GOW, the player models are oversize brutes. For me, either you like the artistic style/appearance of the game, or you don't. However, it shouldn't be this unhealthy obsession to try to convince people that the developer can do more.

Maybe using the words "built from the ground up" was a mistake, but I'm smart enough to see what improvements they did do the game. My main concern is how the game feels and plays like once the controller is my hands. The gameplay videos are nice, but I'm ready to play it. Yes, I see some possible legacy issues, BUT we don't know if happens all the time or was 2K able to miniumize the frequency.

[ForeverVersatile]

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Everyone has their own opinions, so I'm just going to leave it at that. I think once they get mostly everyone's updated, it's going to look really good.

I think the facial expressions look much more life like now and the lighting brings it all together. These pics are blurry from zooming or have motion blur, but that looks pretty realistic.Screenshot_20201016-170210_Video%20Player.jpegScreenshot_20201016-170726_Gallery.jpeg

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[stickyfingers]

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I think the facial expressions look much more life like now

somekind of stockholm syndrome
This CP3 just look like current gen.

[The 24th Letter]

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somekind of stockholm syndrome
This CP3 just look like current gen.

Opinions are opinions, but now you're just coming off as saying things to say them.
2K has been the standard with the facial expressions in sports games.

Unless there's a face morphing mod that puts them to "shame" as well? I'd definitely like to see that. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

[ForeverVersatile]

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somekind of stockholm syndrome
This CP3 just look like current gen.

I don't care, I'm simply saying the facial animations are better.

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[Americas Team]

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People have a super high bar when it comes to NBA 2K which is good. From what I can tell 2K is the only sports game company that takes next gen seriously! rebuilding from the group up to take full advantage of next gen power. Other sports game just basically port over their games.
Next gen 2K21 looks amazing to me, can't wait to play it, hopefully the game actually delivers as advertised.

[JoFri]

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Spoiler

I'm glad that Mazique confirmed we are getting a brand new Kobe render for next gen.

TBH though, when not captured making the least flattering expressions possible, he wasn't as bad. For some reason the emotion technology didn't lend itself well to his face in some editions.

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That first pic is straight up Kobe's glare.

Speaking of which,

I hope 2K continues to improve their facial expression technology. It's a bit taken for granted how many actual expressions and "dunk faces" of players are in the game.

u mean this




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[JoFri]

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My son was playing 2K19 and I happened to notice this clip - block shot by Lopez. Isnt that 2K21 block animation in the blog? Lol

https://youtu.be/rAphxWeEQag

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[stickyfingers]

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My son was playing 2K19 and I happened to notice this clip - block shot by Lopez. Isnt that 2K21 block animation in the blog? Lol

https://youtu.be/rAphxWeEQag

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Remember you cant barely make no block in 2K13 ?
if you put it one year, remove it, they put it again, it's a new feature.