NBA 2K21 Next-Gen Gameplay Video with the Developers - New Game Modes & Features to be Revealed Thursday

[sva91]

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Then why don't go work for them and show them how it's done during a pandemic?

I CLEARLY stated that I'm giving ALL game companies a pass this year. I CLEARLY said that there hasn't been any next-gen GAMES that has blown me out of the water yet. I'm excited for some, but I have tempered expectations.

You need to chill with your condensing and "the sky is falling" weak mindset. You would have an argument against me if I was saying that NBA 2K21 was going to be the greatest next-gen game ever. But I haven't said that, have I?

I’ve stated time and time again, you can have your opinion, just let others have theirs too. Your opinion: “game looks good to me, I’m excited about faster loading times, I give them a pass because of covid.” Thats great! That’s YOUR opinion. Not everyone shares that sentiment. Let them have their opinion without you needing to justify yours vs theirs. If someone says “it doesn’t look next gen to me” you don’t need to butt in and say “yes it does!” or “give me an example of next gen graphics”. It’s not that difficult to comprehend, my man.


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[jfsolo]

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There's a reason the tag line "built from the ground up" was followed by "Next Gen graphics, load times, and power."

They didn't say all prior animation assets were discarded and replaced, legacy issues were resolved, or that every player had been scanned or updated to match their present real life physical appearance.

It means the game was optimized for the next gen systems. Just like 2K14 was. That game was still very much, "2K", and 2K21 will be as well.

Horizon, Spiderman MM, Sackboy were all said to be "built from the ground up" for PS5 as well. I can guarantee you there won't be new levels, characters and story elements because of that claim. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you take it that way.

That said, I don't blame people for their overall "next gen" expectations not being met, depending on what they were. Luckily 2K is one of the few games to show some real, raw gameplay...so an informed decision can be made.

For some people, when they think of "built from the ground up", the bold is the only thing that their brain will recognize as being legitimate. Obviously they are going to be pitching a bitch when that isn't the case, and the accusations of lies being told will be said ad nauseum. Unfortunately it can't be helped.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I’ve stated time and time again, you can have your opinion, just let others have theirs too. Your opinion: “game looks good to me, I’m excited about faster loading times, I give them a pass because of covid.” Thats great! That’s YOUR opinion. Not everyone shares that sentiment. Let them have their opinion without you needing to justify yours vs theirs. If someone says “it doesn’t look next gen to me” you don’t need to butt in and say “yes it does!” or “give me an example of next gen graphics”. It’s not that difficult to comprehend, my man.


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Those are empty opinions, but quite a few of y'all had already condemned the game as nothing new based on a very small samples of the game. I understand people complaining about legacy issues, but I would challenge them to watch at least 10 minutes of "serious" gameplay before coming to that conclusion. Then there are people, like you, who's trying to raise some type of mutiny against NBA 2K without taking in the context of what's going on this particular year.

The more and more complaints I hear, the more and more convinced I become that people were really expecting photorealistic and an exact replica of NBA gameplay. Then people are acting like it's not common knowledge that developers get more and more used to programming for a new console as the years go by.

[ksuttonjr76]

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What's going to be ironic, is that the same people that condemn this game as being nothing new will be the same people buying the game, then bashing it until they can't bash it any more.

I can respect an individual that can make a critique or complaint, but they still have the open mind to wait and see what the final product is going to be.

[sva91]

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Those are empty opinions, but quite a few of y'all had already condemned the game as nothing new based on a very small samples of the game. I understand people complaining about legacy issues, but I would challenge them to watch at least 10 minutes of "serious" gameplay before coming to that conclusion. Then there are people, like you, who's trying to raise some type of mutiny against NBA 2K without taking in the context of what's going on this particular year.

The more and more complaints I hear, the more and more convinced I become that people were really expecting photorealistic and an exact replica of NBA gameplay. Then people are acting like it's not common knowledge that developers get more and more used to programming for a new console as the years go by.

It’s an opinion thread based on videos we are seeing, not the full game, obviously. If ppl were expecting photorealism, let them, that’s my point. I wouldn’t even mention anything, but you literally try to argue with every single person criticizing the game based on footage we have seen. Why? We don’t need “perspective”, it’s an opinion. Give yours and move on.


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[ksuttonjr76]

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It’s an opinion thread based on videos we are seeing, not the full game, obviously. If ppl were expecting photorealism, let them, that’s my point. I wouldn’t even mention anything, but you literally try to argue with every single person criticizing the game based on footage we have seen. Why? We don’t need “perspective”, it’s an opinion. Give yours and move on.


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I'm sorry. Who are you to me again?

[sva91]

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I'm sorry. Who are you to me again?

The 20th guy you’ve replied to, and annoyed, defending 2k like you’re on their payroll.
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[haloofduty]

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It’s an opinion thread based on videos we are seeing, not the full game, obviously. If ppl were expecting photorealism, let them, that’s my point. I wouldn’t even mention anything, but you literally try to argue with every single person criticizing the game based on footage we have seen. Why? We don’t need “perspective”, it’s an opinion. Give yours and move on.


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If its a opinion based thread shouldn't people be allowed to give there opinion on overreactions. I understand some of yall issues but my God the complaining lol. Its mostly a bashing complaint thread. As I read complaint after complaint it makes me want to respond also.

There are some very valid concerns. Then there is obvious bashing and constant complaining. The people who have valid concerns probably are going to get the game at launch or down the line. Its OBVIOUS the complainers and bashers aren't getting it or cant get it. So if not getting it then why the constant negativity? Go play your current generation 2k21.

The real posters have well explained concerns. The Live crowd (yea I recognize some of yall names)and the not getting the game crowd are the bashers. Its fine you have concerns but when you obviously are just bashing then people will respond. When I read people post I'm sensing anger lol. Calm down its a video game.

[sva91]

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If its a opinion based thread shouldn't people be allowed to give there opinion on overreactions. I understand some of yall issues but my God the complaining lol. Its mostly a bashing complaint thread. As I read complaint after complaint it makes me want to respond also.

There are some very valid concerns. Then there is obvious bashing and constant complaining. The people who have valid concerns probably are going to get the game at launch or down the line. Its OBVIOUS the complainers and bashers aren't getting it or cant get it. So if not getting it then why the constant negativity? Go play your current generation 2k21.

The real posters have well explained concerns. The Live crowd (yea I recognize some of yall names)and the not getting the game crowd are the bashers. Its fine you have concerns but when you obviously are just bashing then people will respond. When I read people post I'm sensing anger lol. Calm down its a video game.

Good point, I totally agree. I got annoyed because I brought up valid player model issues that a lot of ppl agree on, with reference pictures, and this dude said the models “look fine” and it’s “a video game”. And then goes on to dismiss a bunch of other ppl because their expectations are too high...But yeah, ppl bashing it with no validity are obnoxious.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Good point, I totally agree. I got annoyed because I brought up valid player model issues that a lot of ppl agree on, with reference pictures, and this dude said the models “look fine” and it’s “a video game”. And then goes on to dismiss a bunch of other ppl because their expectations are too high...But yeah, ppl bashing it with no validity are obnoxious.

Excuse me for preferring the artistic direction of NBA 2K over NBA Live [emoji849].

[sva91]

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Excuse me for preferring the artistic direction of NBA 2K over NBA Live [emoji849].

Bro, Everyone agrees that the player models are bad. You literally said the player models “were fine”. I used some Live reference pics to showcase player length. The artistic direction obviously doesnt bother you, so why do you feel the need to meddle in everyone’s comment regarding that? Just sit that one out bruh. I’m done arguing on this thread. Peace.


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[kjwill22]

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Lol I have 2 4K displays in just my room alone. Most of the people here getting the game probably have 4K tvs

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I already know this but the dude had to make it know that he had a 4k tv saying it in caps like 5 times


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[Dione2014]

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I never knew so many people here on OS worked in game development...

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[Dione2014]

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Oh yeah I totally was agreeing with you. Lol having a 4K tv is almost standard now.

I already know this but the dude had to make it know that he had a 4k tv saying it in caps like 5 times


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[vetmin]

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Personally, I believe people are thinking too much into a few 3-7 second clips, screenshots, and a 3 minute video to something, but really showed nothing. I'm guilty of it too when discussing the MyPlayer builder, but 95% of my "opinion" will be based on when I actually play the game. As someone stated earlier, I'm giving pretty much giving all game companies a pass this year due to COVID-19. As far as I'm concern, none of the next-gen games are absolutely blowing me out of the water. I'm excited for the "little" things, but there's not a single game that's going to make consumers absolutely lust for a next-gen console.

You mentioned that would have needed to start early therefore the game shouldn't be a "casualty" of the pandemic...how do you know that the bulk of their development wasn't intended for until after March?

I mean, for anyone who is used to playing 2K, it doesn't take much more than 10 seconds of gameplay footage to see that 2K21 next-gen runs on more or less the same engine as current-gen. Regardless of how you feel about that fact, it's a pretty straightforward observation, like noticing that the old Mega Man games all run on essentially the same engine, despite progressively improving graphics, features, etc.

That said, I do think people are criticizing a lot of things that are impossible to judge at this point. All the criticism of the defense / AI are IMO completely premature, since so many factors presumably still play into that (sliders, coach settings, etc.). And it's totally ridiculous that people are complaining about face scans when all these players' lives and the league schedule itself have been turned upside down by the pandemic. I made that point in a few posts in the face scans thread.

Re: "how do you know that the bulk of their development wasn't intended for until after March?"

If we're talking about the task of starting totally from scratch on the in-game physics and how the user input and AI interact with that (i.e., the most fundamental aspect of the game; the "ground" in the phrase "from the ground up") -- and on a brand-new generation of consoles, no less -- then I'm just going on common sense, since that's a gargantuan, exploratory, trial-and-error-laden, testing-heavy task and completely insane to be leaving until just a few months before you have to give manufacturers a finished product to press onto discs and ship all over the world. Not to mention so many other aspects of the game would need to be built on top of it. It would be like deciding on the topic of your master's thesis the weekend before your thesis is supposed to be presented. Had the pandemic not happened, we would no doubt have a better current-gen and next-gen game -- both because the NBA season and the 2K team's workflow wouldn't have been disrupted -- but timing-wise it just doesn't make sense that the pandemic could have meaningfully disrupted any grand re-design of the core game mechanics. Clearly it was just never in the cards.

There's a reason the tag line "built from the ground up" was followed by "Next Gen graphics, load times, and power."

They didn't say all prior animation assets were discarded and replaced, legacy issues were resolved, or that every player had been scanned or updated to match their present real life physical appearance.

It means the game was optimized for the next gen systems. Just like 2K14 was. That game was still very much, "2K", and 2K21 will be as well.

Horizon, Spiderman MM, Sackboy were all said to be "built from the ground up" for PS5 as well. I can guarantee you there won't be new levels, characters and story elements because of that claim. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you take it that way.

That said, I don't blame people for their overall "next gen" expectations not being met, depending on what they were. Luckily 2K is one of the few games to show some real, raw gameplay...so an informed decision can be made.

At least in my case, I fully concede that I'm not a gamer. I only play 2K, and even then I've never experienced a generation change and heard how the gaming community talks about that. Maybe it's understood among gamers that "built from the ground up" re: video games is just a common bit of hyperbole that everyone appreciates as such, just like how most people wouldn't take the words "new approach" to necessarily mean a complete overhaul.

But I -- and it sounds like others -- understood the phrase in the way it's generally used in tech. Like if a friend tells me that he had to rebuild the company database "from the ground up," he almost certainly means that he took all the company's raw data and started from essentially nothing in building a new framework to interpret that data. If someone tells me they had to rebuild their company's web site "from the ground up," that never means that they just changed their WordPress theme; it means they straight-up started over on the basic structure of the thing, even if the company logo and bio are still the same. Same deal with software, like the music notation program I mentioned in my previous post. In gaming, the transition from Super Mario World to Super Mario 64 is what I'd think of as a "from the ground up" treatment of the Mario franchise, even if the characters, atmosphere, etc. were unchanged.

Honestly, over the summer as the pandemic raged on, what I was thinking we'd get with next-gen is a game that has their new, "from the ground up" engine at like 90% of what they would have achieved minus COVID, and what I expected to be really hit hard by the pandemic were superficial things like face scans, crowd noise, commentary, etc. In other words, I expected -- and was totally fine with -- their having mostly finished baking the cake, but for the icing to be all messed up, when in reality the plan was always to serve more or less the same old (admittedly very yummy) cake and focus primarily on upping their icing game.

Bottom line: I'm totally cool with a next-gen-optimized version of the engine they're running on current-gen. I feel like one of the few who thinks 2K21 current-gen plays a lot better than 2K20, and I've loved every 2K that I've played. Great series. Their language just got my hopes up for more than it appears they will deliver; someone promised me 4 scoops of ice cream with chocolate, caramel, and sprinkles and only gave me 3 scoops with chocolate. I'm good lol, and I may very well have simply misunderstood how people talk / promote in the gaming world.