Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I've just tried these settings and they've made zero difference. I'm not saying that may not be the case for you, but using the same lineups in my original video I'm still getting the exact same results. The defense cant deal with quick players and arent cutting off the lanes. I can just run round them for the easy layup, even with these settings

If the issue is speed then you need to fix the speed. Simple as that. Increase the Speed/Accel Without Ball (Min) values to 50 or 55 so that slower players aren't literally stuck in slow motion. Decrease the Speed/Accel With Ball (Max) values to 55 or 60. Players will move realistically at those settings and get rid of the ease of just sprinting past someone.


EDIT: Can someone tell me if there was a tuner update today? Did one of those "Return to the main menu for an update" messages appear? I got on a half hour ago and I swear the PnR defense on default sliders is miles better than it was before today.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

Someone else try these and let me know if I'm just crazy, or if the AI defense is pretty damn good against the PnR. Start on Hall of Fame and then make these adjustments for both USER and CPU:

Body-Up Sensitivity - 100

Drive Contact Shot Frequency - 100
Inside Contact Shot Frequency - 100
Layup Defense Strength (Takeoff) - 100
Layup Defense Strength (Release) - 75
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Gather) - 60
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Release) - 75
Help Defense Strength - 100

Acceleration - 40
On-Ball Defense - 75
Defensive Awareness - 75
Lateral Quickness - 75

Play Passing Lanes - 75
Contest Shots - 100

Speed with Ball (Max rating) - 55
Speed with Ball (Min rating) - 40
Acceleration with Ball (Max rating) - 60
Acceleration with Ball (Min rating) - 40
Speed without Ball (Max rating) - 75
Speed without Ball (Min rating) - 55
Acceleration without Ball (Max rating) - 75
Acceleration without Ball (Min rating) - 55

[ChaseB]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I do feel like a lot of this would be helped if the big just played a cleaner "drop" on the pick and roll as the default. Instead they get into weird hedging contests or trapping scenarios that don't work out well for them.

I understand it's hard to play a pick and roll 2 on 2, but since the help is spotty by default, a drop style would at least allow you to play it 2 on 2 and live with the mid range or running out to contest a pick and pop to the big.

(Also something I think has helped as a simple, base-level thing is just have the AI on "gap" for off-ball on everything and "moderate" on-ball.)

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I do feel like a lot of this would be helped if the big just played a cleaner "drop" on the pick and roll as the default. Instead they get into weird hedging contests or trapping scenarios that don't work out well for them.

I understand it's hard to play a pick and roll 2 on 2, but since the help is spotty by default, a drop style would at least allow you to play it 2 on 2 and live with the mid range or running out to contest a pick and pop to the big.

(Also something I think has helped as a simple, base-level thing is just have the AI on "gap" for off-ball on everything and "moderate" on-ball.)

Try the settings I just posted. The big is dropping the majority of the time and giving me the mid-range shot.

[ChaseB]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

Try the settings I just posted. The big is dropping the majority of the time and giving me the mid-range shot.

I would but FIFA next-gen just came out suddenly

But I do want to try and work on a pick and roll video at some point next week.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I would but FIFA next-gen just came out suddenly

But I do want to try and work on a pick and roll video at some point next week.

2K, Fifa now Madden.What to play???? lol

[strosdood]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

2K, Fifa now Madden.What to play???? lol

Pretty easy decision for me lol


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[Quentin32]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I F’n give up. I put every speed stat at 0 for me and maxed out every defensive/speed stat for the cpu. The cpu defenders just won’t help. They just stick to there man. It’s like the cpu want to help. They stare at the driver but either do nothing or respond too late. This has to be patched because I can’t play the game. I have yet to play a full game because it’s just not fun or challenging at all. The defense is some of the worst **** I ever witnessed.

2k please just program the cpu to react to a driver of the basketball. I rather the cpu ignore a shooter than letting dunks and layups at will with no resistance smh

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I F’n give up. I put every speed stat at 0 for me and maxed out every defensive/speed stat for the cpu. The cpu defenders just won’t help. They just stick to there man. It’s like the cpu want to help. They stare at the driver but either do nothing or respond too late. This has to be patched because I can’t play the game. I have yet to play a full game because it’s just not fun or challenging at all. The defense is some of the worst **** I ever witnessed.

2k please just program the cpu to react to a driver of the basketball. I rather the cpu ignore a shooter than letting dunks and layups at will with no resistance smh

Check out the settings in my slider thread and give them a try. They should massively improve the help defense.

[Vedreanu]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

This video sums it all in just 2 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPhdeqQ0DM4

eventhough its not at nextgen, seems like same "logic" prevails


Edit: P.S. Maybe the problem is with "Prerotate-Yes" being selected in Defensive settings. But, without that option, there is no drive and kick, no open threes, its even worse.

[Vedreanu]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I F’n give up. I put every speed stat at 0 for me and maxed out every defensive/speed stat for the cpu. The cpu defenders just won’t help. They just stick to there man. It’s like the cpu want to help. They stare at the driver but either do nothing or respond too late. This has to be patched because I can’t play the game. I have yet to play a full game because it’s just not fun or challenging at all. The defense is some of the worst **** I ever witnessed.

2k please just program the cpu to react to a driver of the basketball. I rather the cpu ignore a shooter than letting dunks and layups at will with no resistance smh

Have you tried the last resort - raising all players' HelpD IQ attribute to 99?
This helped A LOT in 2k20 for me... but raised some other issues, which may not bother you since you actually play the game. I only watch the CPU vs CPU.

[Vedreanu]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I understand it's hard to play a pick and roll 2 on 2, but since the help is spotty by default, a drop style would at least allow you to play it 2 on 2 and live with the mid range or running out to contest a pick and pop to the big.

I must admit - AI is most of the time ok with HelpD (though with a bunch of user interventions, naturally)

But its a total mayhem when attacking teams use double-screen PNR - omg, its obvious AI becomes just overwhelmed with all the formulas involved obviously not correctly prioritezed.

I have a feeling my PS might explode if I start another CPU vs CPU match with Utah Jazz involved
They use double screens a lot!

[ChaseB]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I must admit - AI is most of the time ok with HelpD (though with a bunch of user interventions, naturally)

But its a total mayhem when attacking teams use double-screen PNR - omg, its obvious AI becomes just overwhelmed with all the formulas involved obviously not correctly prioritezed.

I have a feeling my PS might explode if I start another CPU vs CPU match with Utah Jazz involved
They use double screens a lot!

Double high screens just ruin the AI, and that's been a thing for years. Doing like double screen flares, or just a lot of the plays in the Blazers playbook will mess up the AI.

[BaselineBakes]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I’ve tried so many slider combos, settings, etc. the weak side defense just fails to react in a reasonable amount of time and even when the center drops down, he’s non existent when it comes to stopping an offensive player on the pick and roll. The CPU defense is absolutely atrocious, there is no resistance.

It almost feels worse when I put their defensive sliders up to 100. The only thing that has marginally helped is completely nerfing my offensive players speed and acceleration and then my guys feels like they’re moving in mud.

The game is beautiful and I’m dying to dive deeper into myNBA but it’s no fun when there’s no threat of me losing. I’ve never been good at house rules so ignoring the paint when it’s wide the f open is something I can’t tell myself to do.

I’d love to see more drive and kick action but right now it’s just drive and oh y’all are just gonna stay glued to your guy in the corner? Ok I’ll just take this layup then.

Begging for a fix.


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[Quentin32]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I’ve tried so many slider combos, settings, etc. the weak side defense just fails to react in a reasonable amount of time and even when the center drops down, he’s non existent when it comes to stopping an offensive player on the pick and roll. The CPU defense is absolutely atrocious, there is no resistance.

It almost feels worse when I put their defensive sliders up to 100. The only thing that has marginally helped is completely nerfing my offensive players speed and acceleration and then my guys feels like they’re moving in mud.

The game is beautiful and I’m dying to dive deeper into myNBA but it’s no fun when there’s no threat of me losing. I’ve never been good at house rules so ignoring the paint when it’s wide the f open is something I can’t tell myself to do.

I’d love to see more drive and kick action but right now it’s just drive and oh y’all are just gonna stay glued to your guy in the corner? Ok I’ll just take this layup then.

Begging for a fix.


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Did u steal my journal lol