Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

[Lagoa]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I had some interesting results by switching to the CPU team, pressing right on the dpad while on defense and switching to Switch Everything, then going back to my team. Really helps on the PnR obviously because they always switch, but then it’s way too easy to score in the post if you force a PG to defend a PF/C. The CPU just doesn’t adjust to help the post.

Ok, love the intention, but trying to fix it that way won't solve the problem ...

It's like changing the speed, you can reduce the problem, but create others, you know ...

We need the F%&¨*@ Devs make your work and fix the game!

[TheEmperor2001]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I'm playing on HOF default sliders and I think I've found something. If interested, give this fix a try:

Remove all of the Finishing, Playmaking, and Athleticism badges from every player on the team you are using. I just did this, and the CPU pick and roll defense is now *very* effective and realistic. Their defense in the paint is much more effective as well. Give it a try and let me know if it works for you too.

NOTE: I'm playing current gen (Xbox One), and I'm using the Kings against the Raptors.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

Ok, love the intention, but trying to fix it that way won't solve the problem ...

It's like changing the speed, you can reduce the problem, but create others, you know ...

We need the F%&¨*@ Devs make your work and fix the game!

I disagree about the speed issue. Speed with Ball is glitched in the game (forwards with 80+ Speed w/Ball are faster than guards at 95+, for example), so speed has to be reduced regardless. If the Speed w/ Ball (Max) slider still worked that would be the solution right there, but this slider somehow got broken by 2K last week.

But yes, even if they solve the speed issue there is 0 reason the hedge defender should EVER just stand and watch. Even if every defensive slider was at 0 this defender should still react to the play.

[Lagoa]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I say that speed doesn't work, because I edited Ben Simmons' speed from 93 to 73, and I took other speed attributes, even so, exactly the same thing happened.

Anyways, all test are welcome.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I say that speed doesn't work, because I edited Ben Simmons' speed from 93 to 73, and I took other speed attributes, even so, exactly the same thing happened.

Anyways, all test are welcome.

Making player speed realistic isn’t going to change the AI issues. It’s just going to fix the speed issues. That’s it.

Guys like Simmons have to be made slower, and then slow bigs have to be made faster. No one in the NBA moves as slow as 2K thinks these bigger guys do. That’s why you have to increase the (Min) movement sliders to get realistic off-ball/defensive movement. But again, that doesn’t fix the AI. They’re two separate problems.

[alabamarob]

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[Vedreanu]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

Making player speed realistic isn’t going to change the AI issues. It’s just going to fix the speed issues. That’s it.

Guys like Simmons have to be made slower, and then slow bigs have to be made faster. No one in the NBA moves as slow as 2K thinks these bigger guys do. That’s why you have to increase the (Min) movement sliders to get realistic off-ball/defensive movement. But again, that doesn’t fix the AI. They’re two separate problems.

Hactually, I equalized the speed sliders (all at 50) and the effects were good, PNR defense was very good, etc.


But, PNR is not the only big problem this game has - the defense in global is just a mess.

Perimeter defense is OCD-aggressive which leads to cutter after cutter and dunk after dunk.


Take a look at this fe.
(15 dunks and its not even HT - with most def. sliders maxed out, lol)

Here you can also see how ******** can big behave sometimes in defense.




Oh, and btw, we shouldnt be hoping for much improvement -Da Czar has said in his last video 2k takes more emphasis on what casual, arcade-feeling-seeking players want. Bcs they make more $$$ than us.


Maybe its time to leave this game alone and start wasting life on other stuff

[strosdood]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

Hactually, I equalized the speed sliders (all at 50) and the effects were good, PNR defense was very good, etc.


But, PNR is not the only big problem this game has - the defense in global is just a mess.

Perimeter defense is OCD-aggressive which leads to cutter after cutter and dunk after dunk.


Take a look at this fe.
(15 dunks and its not even HT - with most def. sliders maxed out, lol)

Here you can also see how ******** can big behave sometimes in defense.




Oh, and btw, we shouldnt be hoping for much improvement -Da Czar has said in his last video 2k takes more emphasis on what casual, arcade-feeling-seeking players want. Bcs they make more $$$ than us.


Maybe its time to leave this game alone and start wasting life on other stuff

The last couple paragraphs were complete hyperbole and false...... Czar never said they care more about any one segment of the 2K community he just said Sim gamers are hardest to please with expensive requests to be implemented and spend the least on the game (VC)...however your last paragraph was on to something....... a lotta u guys have way to much animosity towards video game makers that’s it’s almost unhealthy, maybe doing as the OP of this thread did and finding other hobbies would do your mental health some good 🤷🏻*♂️


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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I think the anger comes from how far this game has come. The few things that we dislike really stand out. Admittedly pick and roll D is a fundamental that has taken a step back.

Read between the lines of what czar said; he was handed a task very late in the cycle on new tech.

[strosdood]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I think the anger comes from how far this game has come. The few things that we dislike really stand out. Admittedly pick and roll D is a fundamental that has taken a step back.

Read between the lines of what czar said; he was handed a task very late in the cycle on new tech.

No question, but in the history of video games there hasn’t been nor will there ever be a issue-free game........ 2K is unfortunately a victim of its own greatness but some dudes get way too worked up over this stuff lol I’ve learned to work around the problems and enjoy what in my opinion is the best 2k game ever........ I digress back to the sticks I go lol


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[EccentricMeat]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

No question, but in the history of video games there hasn’t been nor will there ever be a issue-free game........ 2K is unfortunately a victim of its own greatness but some dudes get way too worked up over this stuff lol I’ve learned to work around the problems and enjoy what in my opinion is the best 2k game ever........ I digress back to the sticks I go lol


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No basketball game that has a broken franchise mode, broken on ball defense, broken movement, broken PnR defense, and broken help defense as a whole can ever be considered “the greatest basketball game ever”.

The graphics are phenomenal, but the game itself is borderline unplayable once you notice the issues.

[Lagoa]

Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

Exactly! Sure, the game can make a person happy, but that doesn't mean it is good! lol

The basic flaws in the game make it one of the WORST of all time (that I've played) in terms of gameplay. These are structural flaws in what basketball is.

[strosdood]

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Exactly! Sure, the game can make a person happy, but that doesn't mean it is good! lol



The basic flaws in the game make it one of the WORST of all time (that I've played) in terms of gameplay. These are structural flaws in what basketball is.

No basketball game that has a broken franchise mode, broken on ball defense, broken movement, broken PnR defense, and broken help defense as a whole can ever be considered “the greatest basketball game ever”.

The graphics are phenomenal, but the game itself is borderline unplayable once you notice the issues.

I won’t get in a back and forth as it accomplishes nothing...... my only advice to u would be to please get rid of the game ASAP as one of u thinks it’s “the worst basketball game ever”, the other has spent the last 3 weeks tweaking the game nonstop, why do that for a “broken game”? Just move on........ I seriously don’t understand the logic of not being happy with a product but continuing to use and spend time on it.......


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[EccentricMeat]

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I won’t get in a back and forth as it accomplishes nothing...... my only advice to u would be to please get rid of the game ASAP as one of u thinks it’s “the worst basketball game ever”, the other has spent the last 3 weeks tweaking the game nonstop, why do that for a “broken game”? Just move on........ I seriously don’t understand the logic of not being happy with a product but continuing to use and spend time on it.......


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“Why try to make the game enjoyable? Just don’t play a basketball game lol”

I’ll let you figure out why that’s not a great suggestion.

[strosdood]

Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

“Why try to make the game enjoyable? Just don’t play a basketball game lol”

I’ll let you figure out why that’s not a great suggestion.

U used the word broken 3-4 times...... there’s absolutely no fixing that bro, if that’s your honest assessment of the state of 2k (it’s wrong) but that’s neither here nor there........ Furthermore u misquoted me twice now, I simply said if it’s broken and u think it’s a bad game (seems u do since u say it’s broken) then why invest so much of your time into it? If a car is a piece of junk I would get rid of it...... in theory this is no different


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