New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive Mechanic, Dribbling Improvements & Much More

[mb625]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

But that's just a result of the boost given to the user for shot aiming, isn't it? Great shooters can still feel like great shooters without aiming.

I frankly didn't feel that way on Next. If users didn't have their timing down pat, percentages were pretty consistently on the low side. Current was a different story, but Next was very reliant on the green release, and since outside of this forum, there is a strong inclination to want to make greens the ONLY shots that fall I felt like it was worth mentioning

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[mb625]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Twitter is the most front facing metric that they use to "influence" changes they make, so of course it gets the lion's share of the blame and anger in terms of design decisions changes that are made, but IMO if people remove their personal wishes from their evaluation, does anyone honestly think that every metric they have didn't show that aiming was use by a small percentage of people even offline.



A removal after one year, speaks volumes, IMO.

Surely they have metrics that show that the majority of users don't use things like Real Player Percentage (which was actually used as a free throw exploit on Next Gen. Actual cheating as opposed to the perceived cheating of using the stick on next, when no scripts existed), Total Receiver Control with the B button, skip passing, etc, and yet they don't remove any of those things. It's not JUST that a minority used the mechanic. There are many mechanics used by a minority of players that stay. It's that the loud majority didn't understand the system and complained about their misunderstanding loud enough for 2k to listen.

It doesn't tell us anything other than that the community thinks timing up a jumper is the holy grail of video game "skill."

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[loso_34]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Twitter is the most front facing metric that they use to "influence" changes they make, so of course it gets the lion's share of the blame and anger in terms of design decisions changes that are made, but IMO if people remove their personal wishes from their evaluation, does anyone honestly think that every metric they have didn't show that aiming was use by a small percentage of people even offline.

A removal after one year, speaks volumes, IMO.

From what I saw on Reddit/Twitter where the user base is younger lol more people than you’d think gave aiming a chance.

[loso_34]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

But that's just a result of the boost given to the user for shot aiming, isn't it? Great shooters can still feel like great shooters without aiming.

There’s been no separation between great to average shooters the past few 2k’s. That’s why the community kept asking for a skills gap yet weren’t so receptive when they got it.

[mb625]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

From what I saw on Reddit/Twitter where the user base is younger lol more people than you’d think gave aiming a chance.

That's the other factor. A lot of the people voting in that poll weren't "old heads" or veteran 2k players who generally knew a lot about the game or spent time in the practice gym learning the nuances of the stick... They were 16 year olds who saw their favorite YouTuber complain because they got hit with a zen on current and automatically associated aiming with cheating. That much was evident from the multiple messages I received on Next Gen thinking I was cheating using aiming, when the scripts didn't even exist.

(Further evidence was the fact that the people who said they'd practiced it and enjoyed it were roundly accused of just wanting to use a zen. We can't possibly pretend that this was an informed voter base...)

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

That's the other factor. A lot of the people voting in that poll weren't "old heads" or veteran 2k players who generally knew a lot about the game or spent time in the practice gym learning the nuances of the stick... They were 16 year olds who saw their favorite YouTuber complain because they got hit with a zen on current and automatically associated aiming with cheating. That much was evident from the multiple messages I received on Next Gen thinking I was cheating using aiming, when the scripts didn't even exist.

(Further evidence was the fact that the people who said they'd practiced it and enjoyed it were roundly accused of just wanting to use a zen. We can't possibly pretend that this was an informed voter base...)
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Honestly, that kinda implies that it was OP, but the greater community didn't catch on.

[mb625]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Honestly, that kinda implies that it was OP, but the greater community didn't catch on.

Maybe a hair. I was usually just a hair better in shooting than my timing counterparts, but that could be adjusted easily. (Looking back at Earv's video, non-greens would fall at a bit of a higher rate with aiming than timing.) I wish I had some screenshots so that way I could tabulate some kind of idea of about how well I shot vs my opponents. Mostly though, they saw me green a few, miss a few, but assumed it was cheating simply because I had greened with the stick a few times.

If you hadn't noticed... logic wasn't exactly the order of the day when it came to vilifying the stick lol

[JazzMan]

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I'm glad that they are keeping the gameplay the same and not pull an EA. There are still people out there that don't have NEXT GEN systems. So why leave them out with the experience?

Besides what can 2k do to make the gameplay more next gen? Actual physics? I don't think they are willing to start over....

That just seems like a cop-out, and comes off as lazy

I didn't buy 2k on PS5 to play the PS4 version of the game

[JazzMan]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Oh man, That's one of the things I'll miss most about it. Not having to rely on timing for the pull up game...

Shot stick gave guys like Rip, Lou Will, The Microwave etc. a new lease on life after being historically hard to replicate.

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Aiming was legit the only way I could hit any stepback or moving threes with guys like Clarkson, Mitchell, and Conley. I'd use timing for everything else, but moving threes got ruined by the Park boys again so they killed them, making aiming the only viable option.

Pretty frustrating. First time in over 10 years I'm not getting 2k at launch

[BarfytheOwl]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Can someone tell me what a zen is? I don't play online or really follow online stuff at all so I'm OOTL.

With regards to aiming, I actually use it with RP%, and I'm not really an oldhead when it comes to 2k. I've played 2k11, 16, and 21, all very casually. I love basketball but I'm honestly just bad at 2k lmao, but I liked aiming with the stick. It's tough to get a hang of, but for some reason I just like it. It feels better to miss with aiming + RP% than it does just hitting square with RP%, and I'm really not sure why. I practice a lot and still suck but at least I'm having fun.

They really should've kept it an option instead of getting rid of it.

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[jairusmonillas]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

I find it funny zen is a new thing for some people when cronusmax has always been in nba 2k since the early days of ps4.

The most overpowered cronusmax script was the vibration script. It's almost a guaranteed shot for a pro scripter.

But even with vibration removed, scripters can still dictate how many milliseconds they want to put into their jumpshot. Latency is not even a problem because there are +/- parameters they can adjust while ingame.

Let's say Durant's green shot is 650 milliseconds, what scripters do is when they press UP button it will increase that 650 milliseconds to 750 milliseconds until they finally get the right parameters that sync with the opponent's latency(play now online p2p) or server's latency (other online modes).

[vetmin]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Can someone tell me what a zen is? I don't play online or really follow online stuff at all so I'm OOTL.

I think they’re special controllers / tools for cheating (i.e., guaranteed perfect aiming). As the post above mine says though, these things have always been around regardless of what shooting mechanics 2k implements.

[loso_34]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive



Aiming back?

[alabamarob]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Aiming back?

Is that 2k22?

[loso_34]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Is that 2k22?

Yea some kid got his hands on the game. Reading it’s been removed from the old gen game but still on next gen.