New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive Mechanic, Dribbling Improvements & Much More

[mb625]

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Imo everyone "thinks" about their shot but that thinking process is usually extremely quick. A lot of it is based on muscle memory.



With shot aiming there was just too much to process for me. I'm supposed to be controlling the best basketball players in the world but something as simple as a wide open jumper became more complicated than simply "shoot the ball." I shouldn't struggle doing something in a videogame that I can do IRL without much thought at all. I gave it sometime but it just didn't seem worth learning when I could simply rely on shot timing and not have to stare at a meter every time I shot the ball, which isn't required for shot timing.

Like I said, for me, the focus on the meter was part of what made it feel more "real" to me than timing. I was watching the target (rim irl, meter here) rather than my shooter's hand/legs. Plus I really felt like aiming got to a muscle memory point for me, which was nice as well.

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[The 24th Letter]

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In theory, the closer you are to center when you pull down on the stick, the less moving back and forth you should have to do.

They changed this.....multiple times

That's why I preferred the original incarnations of shot aiming.

Aiming wasn't the ONLY tool cheaters used, but the original concept made scripts really easy to make..

Aiming definitely wasn't impossible to use competitively though:

https://youtu.be/_zsVjvjn310

Rob has even more examples. He stuck with the aiming longer than me. I wasn't a fan of the latest version.

A lot of people are mentioning watching meter, but whether it be aiming or timing, I rather go with the feel.....I play with it off.

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[mb625]

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They changed this.....multiple times

That's why I preferred the original incarnations of shot aiming.

Aiming wasn't the ONLY tool cheaters used, but the original concept made scripts really easy to make..

Aiming definitely wasn't impossible to use competitively though:

https://youtu.be/_zsVjvjn310

Rob has even more examples. He stuck with the aiming longer than me. I wasn't a fan of the latest version.

A lot of people are mentioning watching meter, but whether it be aiming or timing, I rather go with the feel.....I play with it off.

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That's awesome. I never had quite the "feel" to do it meter off! It definitely did have flaws, I've got a couple of clips of centering half-court and full-court heaves on current, but overall, it was a cool little system

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[scottyp180]

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Like I said, for me, the focus on the meter was part of what made it feel more "real" to me than timing. I was watching the target (rim irl, meter here) rather than my shooter's hand/legs. Plus I really felt like aiming got to a muscle memory point for me, which was nice as well.

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I don't know for me when I shoot in real life I'm usually more focused on my form. If I'm having a bad shooting day I don't equate it to bad aiming I equate it to something being off with the way I'm shooting.

And perhaps my issue with aiming is more down to the mechanics. Maybe I'm wrong but if I remember correctly aiming had nothing to do with where the rim is in relation to your player, it was more based on how quickly or slowly you shot and how off center the stick was when you pull it down, correct? If it's about aiming then shouldn't I be able to shut the meter off and be able to aim just by where the rim is located in relation to my player?

I relate it to the NHL games. When you aim and shoot in NHL you are actually aiming in the direction of the net and then targeting where you want to shoot. It's intuitive and makes sense. With the 2k aiming it didn't feel intuitive it felt like a videogame mechanic. IMO timing at least makes sense because there is an ideal release point for almost every shot IRL.

[ksuttonjr76]

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They changed this.....multiple times

That's why I preferred the original incarnations of shot aiming.

Aiming wasn't the ONLY tool cheaters used, but the original concept made scripts really easy to make..

Aiming definitely wasn't impossible to use competitively though:

https://youtu.be/_zsVjvjn310

Rob has even more examples. He stuck with the aiming longer than me. I wasn't a fan of the latest version.

A lot of people are mentioning watching meter, but whether it be aiming or timing, I rather go with the feel.....I play with it off.

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My apologizes. How was it changed? I thought the concept was still relatively the same as far as having the stick being as close to center as possible when you pull down on the stick? I mentioned this a long time ago (but it's not the reason for why I didn't like aiming), but I broke my thumb on my right hand, so it was always difficult for me to push the RS directly south. I mainly hated it due its impact of the normal use of the RS when you turned aiming off.

Like you, I rather go by feel or rhythm of the shot. I know I had shared this before, but I have a system that I've been using since NBA 2K5 where I categorizes the speed of the shot animations into 3 speeds. Nothing fancy...slow, average, quick. Basically when I practice shooting with the Pacers, I'm just learning the speeds of the shooting animation. It's still effective system for me overall, but I swear good/open shots don't go in at the same rate as bad/contested shots.

[mb625]

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I don't know for me when I shoot in real life I'm usually more focused on my form. If I'm having a bad shooting day I don't equate it to bad aiming I equate it to something being off with the way I'm shooting.

And perhaps my issue with aiming is more down to the mechanics. Maybe I'm wrong but if I remember correctly aiming had nothing to do with where the rim is in relation to your player, it was more based on how quickly or slowly you shot and how off center the stick was when you pull it down, correct? If it's about aiming then shouldn't I be able to shut the meter off and be able to aim just by where the rim is located in relation to my player?

I relate it to the NHL games. When you aim and shoot in NHL you are actually aiming in the direction of the net and then targeting where you want to shoot. It's intuitive and makes sense. With the 2k aiming it didn't feel intuitive it felt like a videogame mechanic. IMO timing at least makes sense because there is an ideal release point for almost every shot IRL.

No, that's exactly how I feel too. I'm focused on my form as well. But that's the exact flaw I felt with timing. When I'm focusing on my form, I'm thinking not about *when* I'm letting go of the ball, but *how* I'm releasing it. (AFTER the fact, for the peanut gallery that wants to be obtuse and trivial about it lolol.) Was I balanced? Did I have a decent follow through? Was my elbow straight, not splaying out to the side? We're my eyes focused on the rim? Never, "did I release the ball in the right ten millisecond time window." [emoji23]

It may just be me, but I never really "thought basketball thoughts" (again, just a manner of speaking, lest I be questioned [emoji849]) with timing. It wasn't perfect, but aiming felt a LOT closer to me.

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[ksuttonjr76]

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No, that's exactly how I feel too. I'm focused on my form as well. But that's the exact flaw I felt with timing. When I'm focusing on my form, I'm thinking not about *when* I'm letting go of the ball, but *how* I'm releasing it. (AFTER the fact, for the peanut gallery that wants to be obtuse and trivial about it lolol.) Was I balanced? Did I have a decent follow through? Was my elbow straight, not splaying out to the side? We're my eyes focused on the rim? Never, "did I release the ball in the right ten millisecond time window." [emoji23]

It may just be me, but I never really "thought basketball thoughts" (again, just a manner of speaking, lest I be questioned [emoji849]) with timing. It wasn't perfect, but aiming felt a LOT closer to me.

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For the record...it should be option for those who wanted it. After watching some YouTube videos, it seems that Zen controllers got free marketing this year for whatever reason which is a shame.

Personally, I just want my pre-NBA 2K21 RS control back. I do not like using the button.

[scottyp180]

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No, that's exactly how I feel too. I'm focused on my form as well. But that's the exact flaw I felt with timing. When I'm focusing on my form, I'm thinking not about *when* I'm letting go of the ball, but *how* I'm releasing it. (AFTER the fact, for the peanut gallery that wants to be obtuse and trivial about it lolol.) Was I balanced? Did I have a decent follow through? Was my elbow straight, not splaying out to the side? We're my eyes focused on the rim? Never, "did I release the ball in the right ten millisecond time window." [emoji23]

It may just be me, but I never really "thought basketball thoughts" (again, just a manner of speaking, lest I be questioned [emoji849]) with timing. It wasn't perfect, but aiming felt a LOT closer to me.

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Interesting. I guess for me with regards to "timing" I'm more focused on learning each players jump shot. I have to know their form and how they shoot in order to be good with them. To me timing makes sense for experienced shooters that have their form dowm because they don't need to think about the various aspects of their jumpshot. That part is automatic to them.

Like when I'm playing ball and I'm having a good shooting day it feels closer to shooting with timing. I'm not thinking about anything, I have my form down already, and it's mostly about the release. However, let's say it's been awhile since I've shot a ball and I go to shoot around and my shot is off, now shooting feels more similar to shooting with the aiming mechanic because I'm thinking more about each aspect of my shot (my foot placement, my hand placement, where I start my gather, where's my elbow pointing, am I balanced, etc). Hope that makes sense.

I'm also not arguing that one mechanic (in terms of 2k) is necessarily better than the other or that one is the "right" way. I understand that people have their preferences and I am never going to argue against games have more options. I do find it interesting though how people translate both to real life shooting and how for some timing makes more sense and for others aiming does.

[Antonioshellz]

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But didnt they change it so you always had to swipe left or right, depending on how fast you initially pulled the right stick down?


All 30 members of our online league went back to shot timing. In somewhat competitive matches, you cannot keep up with someone who uses shot timing...

For the ones who took time to learn how to use it, it was more of an advantage. You have two opportunities for a perfect release. Driving to the basket was also “easier” if you knew how to aim. I’m willing to bet anyone who has an understanding of aiming will go toe to toe with someone using shot timing.


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[mb625]

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For the ones who took time to learn how to use it, it was more of an advantage. You have two opportunities for a perfect release. Driving to the basket was also “easier” if you knew how to aim. I’m willing to bet anyone who has an understanding of aiming will go toe to toe with someone using shot timing.


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When I was in a MyNBA briefly, the best team in the league was run by a user who used aiming. Dude dominated. I held my own more often than not too. The only mode I really played on the regular that was quantifiable was MyTeam Unlimited. Rattled off ten straight before I stopped playing 21. So, yeah... The idea that aiming wasn't competitive is way off base!

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[jk31]

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For the ones who took time to learn how to use it, it was more of an advantage. You have two opportunities for a perfect release. Driving to the basket was also “easier” if you knew how to aim. I’m willing to bet anyone who has an understanding of aiming will go toe to toe with someone using shot timing.


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i used shot aiming for the first of our two seasons with 2k21 (so from September to Februar).after switching back to Timing i increased my 3pt percentage from 30 % to 39 %. my career average in 18 seasons (spanning 10 Iterations of nba 2k from 2k11 to 2k21)is at 37 %. and literally no one who used aiming was able to Shoot above 33/34 %.

[mb625]

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i used shot aiming for the first of our two seasons with 2k21 (so from September to Februar).after switching back to Timing i increased my 3pt percentage from 30 % to 39 %. my career average in 18 seasons (spanning 10 Iterations of nba 2k from 2k11 to 2k21)is at 37 %. and literally no one who used aiming was able to Shoot above 33/34 %.

I'm assuming current gen? Because aiming on current was a trickier beast, especially after changes were made to combat zen use online (which also effected offline gameplay and MyLeagues). On next, I was pretty routinely at or above 50% from 3 on competitive online sliders (and would routinely outshoot my timing counterparts), above league average in the MyNBA I was in and the user I spoke about previously who won the league with it was tops in the league in 3 point shooting.

Aiming was very different on next

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[ksuttonjr76]

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I'm assuming current gen? Because aiming on current was a trickier beast, especially after changes were made to combat zen use online (which also effected offline gameplay and MyLeagues). On next, I was pretty routinely at or above 50% from 3 on competitive online sliders (and would routinely outshoot my timing counterparts), above league average in the MyNBA I was in and the user I spoke about previously who won the league with it was tops in the league in 3 point shooting.

Aiming was very different on next

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Yeah. It definitely is. The shot meter is just bigger when compared to the current gen version. Truthfully, the shot meter on the current gen is horrible even if there was no shot aiming.

[alabamarob]

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For the ones who took time to learn how to use it, it was more of an advantage. You have two opportunities for a perfect release. Driving to the basket was also “easier” if you knew how to aim. I’m willing to bet anyone who has an understanding of aiming will go toe to toe with someone using shot timing.


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I may not be the best 2k player. But I can guarentee you, if I was in a 30 man league with 29 guys using timing. I would be top 5 in shooting with the shot aim feature on next gen.

Once I got the hang of it, I was money 75 percent of the games I play.

The "Boomer" ChaseB said shot aiming was cheating. Way more accurate then timing on next gen. Imo

[mb625]

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I may not be the best 2k player. But I can guarentee you, if I was in a 30 man league with 29 guys using timing. I would be top 5 in shooting with the shot aim feature on next gen.



Once I got the hang of it, I was money 75 percent of the games I play.



The "Boomer" ChaseB said shot aiming was cheating. Way more accurate then timing on next gen. Imo

I gotta say I feel VERY similarly. It was almost a bit overpowered in a way, but some fine tuning could have helped that

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