New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive Mechanic, Dribbling Improvements & Much More

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  • loso_34
    MVP
    • Jul 2010
    • 1346

    #31
    Re: Info from Beluba

    Originally posted by daveberg
    Aiming mini game is gone and controls more like 2K20???


    Suddenly my interest is climbing.....
    You weren’t concerned with him saying shootings more predictable?

    I’ll never understand why people cheer on the removal of a feature they didn’t have to use.

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    • mb625
      DJ2K
      • Jan 2012
      • 5016

      #32
      Re: Info from Beluba

      Originally posted by daveberg
      Aiming mini game is gone and controls more like 2K20???


      Suddenly my interest is climbing.....
      Gotta strongly, STRONGLY disagree here. Aiming was a fantastic option for those who wanted to use it. If you didn't want to use it, that's cool, you didn't have to, but the flat out REMOVAL of the feature is not a win at all. I'm pretty deeply disappointed, because aiming was the first time where I felt like I was thinking about my shot the way I do on the real life floor. Retaining it as an option wasn't effecting anyone (with the exception of those running into zens, who will be wholly uneffected as they'll find ways to tune those for shot timing rather easily) except those who enjoyed it. Gotta say I feel a bit alienated by that decision.
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      • mb625
        DJ2K
        • Jan 2012
        • 5016

        #33
        Re: Info from Beluba

        Originally posted by loso_34
        Removing aiming is an exercise in futility. Excellent timing scripts will still be around, thus zens aren’t going anywhere.

        Those zen users somehow dodge all criticisms going on 5 years now. Aiming also made using square boring imo I dunno how I could go back, hopefully precision shooting is the new aiming.
        Exactly! All it really serves to do is kill those who learned and enjoyed the mechanic because those who didn't like it were so exponentially loud. Retaining it as an option really wouldn't have hurt anything.
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        • spike83
          Rookie
          • Jul 2009
          • 348

          #34
          Re: Info from Beluba

          If the on-court experience is the same for both generations, is there really a benefit to purchase the P5 version considering I'm an offline player only have yet to even get a hold of a new console?
          "Behind every fortune is a crime"

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          • mb625
            DJ2K
            • Jan 2012
            • 5016

            #35
            Re: Info from Beluba

            Originally posted by spike83
            If the on-court experience is the same for both generations, is there really a benefit to purchase the P5 version considering I'm an offline player only have yet to even get a hold of a new console?
            If you don't have the PS5 I'm not sure I'd bother. I always get the more expensive versions because I like the online aspect. If you're good waiting another year (and the PS5 could continue to be hard to come by for a while), I'd say just pass on the next gen game, imo.
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            • VictorMG
              Pro
              • Jul 2021
              • 678

              #36
              Re: Info from Beluba

              Originally posted by franzis
              But it seems that it won't be the case... they will just focus on pleasing the "community" who don't give a f* about realistic bball.
              They're the largest portion of the fanbase by far. You might not like it, but it's at least understandable.

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              • illwill10
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2009
                • 19827

                #37
                Re: Info from Beluba

                Originally posted by spike83
                If the on-court experience is the same for both generations, is there really a benefit to purchase the P5 version considering I'm an offline player only have yet to even get a hold of a new console?
                I'm an offline player as well. While I did enjoy my time with 2k21 NG, if I were to go back I would pass on it. While I could feel the differences, it still felt like the same 2k.

                It does suck that consoles are still scarce. But, I don't want the same experience for both generations. It just feels like the current gen is being held back by last gen. I just don't want the current gen differences to be visuals and hardware benefits.

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                • loso_34
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1346

                  #38
                  Re: Info from Beluba

                  Originally posted by mb625
                  Exactly! All it really serves to do is kill those who learned and enjoyed the mechanic because those who didn't like it were so exponentially loud. Retaining it as an option really wouldn't have hurt anything.
                  I’m just aghast at people believing cheating is now gone. The real cheaters spread the lies because as long as greens exist zens will exist.

                  Devs know this too.

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                  • jfsolo
                    Live Action, please?
                    • May 2003
                    • 12965

                    #39
                    Re: Info from Beluba

                    Mike just said a little while ago that there is a new shot meter.

                    Only they know the actual metrics, but I think that it is a reasonable assumption to say that the overwhelming majority of people hated shot aiming. IMO if most people hate a feature and you aren't going to iterate on it, then getting rid of it and trying to make something better isn't the wrong play.
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                    • VictorMG
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2021
                      • 678

                      #40
                      Re: Info from Beluba

                      Originally posted by Pray_iv_m3rcy
                      Because I coughed up over 500 dollars to have a different experience than last gen
                      No loading times, better visuals, etc. It'd be different if the game was identical (or even close) on each generation.

                      And if you spent 500+ dollars on a console for one game, that's kind of on you.

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                      • mb625
                        DJ2K
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 5016

                        #41
                        Re: Info from Beluba

                        Originally posted by jfsolo
                        Mike just said a little while ago that there is a new shot meter.



                        Only they know the actual metrics, but I think that it is a reasonable assumption to say that the overwhelming majority of people hated shot aiming. IMO if most people hate a feature and you aren't going to iterate on it, then getting rid of it and trying to make something better isn't the wrong play.
                        They hated it because they a) worked with it for the first weekend, got frustrated and gave up and then b) it was used for zens (which we've established won't be stopped by this change). It wasn't a forced feature. It was an option. A bunch of people not liking an option doesn't mean it should be removed altogether. Online players don't like real player percentage for the most part, that doesn't mean it can't be an option.

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                        • daveberg
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2788

                          #42
                          Re: Info from Beluba

                          Originally posted by loso_34
                          You weren’t concerned with him saying shootings more predictable?

                          I’ll never understand why people cheer on the removal of a feature they didn’t have to use.
                          Originally posted by mb625
                          Gotta strongly, STRONGLY disagree here. Aiming was a fantastic option for those who wanted to use it. If you didn't want to use it, that's cool, you didn't have to, but the flat out REMOVAL of the feature is not a win at all. I'm pretty deeply disappointed, because aiming was the first time where I felt like I was thinking about my shot the way I do on the real life floor. Retaining it as an option wasn't effecting anyone (with the exception of those running into zens, who will be wholly uneffected as they'll find ways to tune those for shot timing rather easily) except those who enjoyed it. Gotta say I feel a bit alienated by that decision.
                          Because I've been an avid fan of how the sticks were used for shooting in just about every release pre 2k21.

                          Personal preference and all. Holding the stick in any direction always equalled a shot, can't remember the last time it didn't outside of 2k21.

                          The option to turn it off left you with two routes - either the button, which is pretty lame, or the stick but with only down as the shooting direction.

                          Previous 2k's let you hold the stick in any direction for a J, using the flick mechanism with triggers to modify dribbles. Don't see why they ever changed it. Worked fine.

                          The aim scenario was just a distraction. another bar on the screen for user to look at instead of taking in the action on the floor. That's how I felt about it, anyway.

                          In terms of what it provided for online players in terms of 'skill gaps' - I have no idea, I only play offline, so it's not about removing these things to aid 'cheese' or something of that regard, or because I couldn't 'get to grips with it'. It just didn't feel intuitive, and took me out of the game.
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                          • dvir10
                            Pro
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 502

                            #43
                            Re: Info from Beluba

                            "Current and next gen are much more similar on court this year compared to last"

                            this is the most miserable s*** to say for all the next gen players.

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                            • daveberg
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2788

                              #44
                              Re: Info from Beluba

                              Originally posted by dvir10
                              "Current and next gen are much more similar on court this year compared to last"

                              this is the most miserable s*** to say for all the next gen players.
                              Just curious, sincerely - but do you guys actually buy the new consoles just for one game?
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                              • jfsolo
                                Live Action, please?
                                • May 2003
                                • 12965

                                #45
                                Re: Info from Beluba

                                Originally posted by mb625
                                They hated it because they a) worked with it for the first weekend, got frustrated and gave up and then b) it was used for zens (which we've established won't be stopped by this change). It wasn't a forced feature. It was an option. A bunch of people not liking an option doesn't mean it should be removed altogether. Online players don't like real player percentage for the most part, that doesn't mean it can't be an option.

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                                I don't have a personal investment either way, and everything you say about the why may be true, but it's ultimately irrelevant, a removal after year one means that it failed miserably, so much so that they decided that they weren't going to even leave in as an option. That sucks for people who liked it but that was their design decision.

                                Like a Vison Cone or Target Passing for Madden, some mechanics just bomb, and they get axed. I would also imaging that they have metrics that show that Real FG% is fairly popular for offline players, so it makes sense that it would stay.
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                                Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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