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  • vannwolfhawk
    MVP
    • Jun 2009
    • 3412

    #61
    Re: Speed Difference

    Originally posted by NYJin2011tm
    Lack of turnovers has always been a problem in basketball video games. We really need some non steal turnovers like bad passes that go out of bounds.
    I’m seeing tons! Have you played the heat yet and Jimmy Butler? He’s in passing lanes and swiping at the ball all game! I was like I need to lower sliders after that game! Lol
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    • Baebae32
      Pro
      • Nov 2015
      • 880

      #62
      Re: Speed Difference

      Originally posted by VictorMG
      How does that work in FIFA?
      I envision something in the mold of this. Even though it is probably impossible in 2K given that the ball is tethered to the ball handler. So would be hard to "throw the ball to space" in order to split a ball screen.


      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/957UiFJm8Jw" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>


      Also thanks for the slider suggetions Hawk and Eccentric will give it a go when i get home

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      • alabamarob
        MVP
        • Nov 2010
        • 3339

        #63
        Re: Speed Difference

        This is what acceleration does. The difference between 99 and 25 is small, and the difference between 99 and 63 is nominal at best.

        Acceleration also has no effect on the movement or speed of the defenders.

        So it looks like the speed rating, and the lateral quickness ratings will control the movement. I am under the impression that lateral quickness only affects the defender when they are in a defensive stance. This would explain why guys are flying around on the defensive end, and stopping on a dime to change directions, while your offensive player is respecting physics.

        Just make both sides of the floor respect physics and we are good.
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        • ataman5
          MVP
          • Jun 2007
          • 2620

          #64
          Re: Speed Difference

          ^^ Exactly that's why we have attributes if those don't mean a thing in gameplay why do we have them in any kind of a calculation of gameplay programming? Are they all there just for cosmetics purposes from 0 to 100?

          I can accept a player have a 5 rating for speed or even 2 and 90 on the other for whom he is the fastest. Why wouldn't we see a range?

          They (ratings) either mean a thing or not be there at all, so that everyone can understand what to get a lot better and adjust accordingly.

          PS: Football manager has a wide range of attributes attached to the players and they all vary from 0 to 200 and all those affect what to get from them on the pitch. That's simple as that.
          Last edited by ataman5; 09-15-2021, 03:10 PM.

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          • loso_34
            MVP
            • Jul 2010
            • 1344

            #65
            Re: Speed Difference

            Originally posted by alabamarob
            This is what acceleration does. The difference between 99 and 25 is small, and the difference between 99 and 63 is nominal at best.

            Acceleration also has no effect on the movement or speed of the defenders.

            So it looks like the speed rating, and the lateral quickness ratings will control the movement. I am under the impression that lateral quickness only affects the defender when they are in a defensive stance. This would explain why guys are flying around on the defensive end, and stopping on a dime to change directions, while your offensive player is respecting physics.

            Just make both sides of the floor respect physics and we are good.
            Learned speed caps at 85 from the comment section of that video.

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            • alabamarob
              MVP
              • Nov 2010
              • 3339

              #66
              Re: Speed Difference

              Originally posted by loso_34
              Learned speed caps at 85 from the comment section of that video.
              You mean speed with ball or just total speed? So anyone over 85 speed is placebo?
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              • The 24th Letter
                ERA
                • Oct 2007
                • 39373

                #67
                Re: Speed Difference

                Have you guys applied this in game?

                Did it make a difference?

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                • loso_34
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1344

                  #68
                  Re: Speed Difference

                  Originally posted by alabamarob
                  You mean speed with ball or just total speed? So anyone over 85 speed is placebo?
                  Speed with ball. It’s also capped at 70 on all star sliders. So yea it’s pretty much placebo.

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                  • alabamarob
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3339

                    #69
                    Re: Speed Difference

                    Originally posted by loso_34
                    Speed with ball. It’s also capped at 70 on all star sliders. So yea it’s pretty much placebo.
                    Smh. So any defender over 70 speed will be faster?
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                    • rudyjuly2
                      Cade Cunningham
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 14815

                      #70
                      Re: Speed Difference

                      I remember reading that the Attribute slider for speed affected off ball players more than players with the ball. If we want to boost the ball handler speed would it make sense to reduce the speed attribute slider? Just spit balling.

                      https://forums.operationsports.com/f...explained.html
                      Last edited by rudyjuly2; 09-15-2021, 10:14 PM.

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                      • vannwolfhawk
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 3412

                        #71
                        Re: Speed Difference

                        Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                        I remember reading that the Attribute slider for speed affected off ball players more than players with the ball. If we want to boost the ball handler speed would it make sense to reduce the speed attribute slider? Just spit balling.
                        Easy way to rest this. Go into edit roster and globally edit everyone down 5,10,15,20, etc and see the difference. Could be worth it. Plus the nice part of doing that globally is if they fix it you just go back into global edits and raise it back however many points you lowered it. In madden you could never do that! Lol thanks Leftos!!!
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                        • EccentricMeat
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 3236

                          #72
                          Re: Speed Difference

                          Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                          I remember reading that the Attribute slider for speed affected off ball players more than players with the ball. If we want to boost the ball handler speed would it make sense to reduce the speed attribute slider? Just spit balling.

                          https://forums.operationsports.com/f...explained.html
                          Yes and no. It won't make the ball handler any faster, just the defense will be slower and easier to beat. Not ideal.

                          My solution was to increase Game Speed to 60, then decrease the speed/accel/lateral quickness sliders so that defenders move about as fast as they do at default 50 game speed. You also need to drop pass speed or else the ball will be whipping around like a bullet, but I really like the way the game is playing that way.
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                          • JoFri
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 1486

                            #73
                            Re: Speed Difference

                            Rob, if u are experimenting with full court sprint, then acceleration makes no difference.
                            The distance for the on-ball defender coverage is smaller, so I would think acceleration does matter and give a speed boost effect. But I got no evidence for that so ...

                            Then there is another attribute - reaction. I'm not sure if higher means reacting faster or will take a second slower to accelerate and normalise the speed. Lol

                            And absolutely - physics for both offense and defense players need to balance up!

                            But anyway, u play online h2h, so can't adjust the speed movement slider yeah?


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                            • alabamarob
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3339

                              #74
                              Re: Speed Difference

                              Originally posted by JoFri
                              Rob, if u are experimenting with full court sprint, then acceleration makes no difference.
                              The distance for the on-ball defender coverage is smaller, so I would think acceleration does matter and give a speed boost effect. But I got no evidence for that so ...

                              Then there is another attribute - reaction. I'm not sure if higher means reacting faster or will take a second slower to accelerate and normalise the speed. Lol

                              And absolutely - physics for both offense and defense players need to balance up!

                              But anyway, u play online h2h, so can't adjust the speed movement slider yeah?


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                              Went back and played 2k20 and the speed difference is night and day. Embeid is not as fast as Ben Simmons on offense, defense, or running in transition. In 2k22 everyone sprints back on defense at a speed that does not match any of their ratings. The Center’s can go for an offensive rebound, and then sprint back on defense and beat the point guard back down the floor.

                              Not only is the speed off, but the stamina of the bigs to sprint, jump and fly around the court on defense is crazy this year.

                              All this is HOF vs the CPU. I have yet to play online yet. I usually play the HOF CPU to find out all the areas of the game that are lacking or cheesed up first. Then I practice on ways to combat the cheese. Then I play people after that. I am no where close to playing against someone at this point.

                              Speed and quickness is what the modern NBA is about, and negating the benefit of speed takes us back to 50s basketball where the tallest man wins.
                              Last edited by alabamarob; 09-16-2021, 06:45 AM.
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                              • JoFri
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 1486

                                #75
                                Re: Speed Difference

                                Originally posted by alabamarob
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                                Speed and quickness are what the modern NBA is about, and the negating the benefit of speed takes us back to 50s basketball where the tallest man wins.

                                Well said, u better avoid Cavs with T. Fall, J. Allen, M. Markkanen and E. Mobley in the line-up!

                                I'm a offline player so sliders should be able to help widen the gap (at least it did for 19)


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