The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

[sirdez]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

90% of his.problems are.mental. Until 2K can find a way to.give players effective mental attributes, it would be pretty hard to make a player with Ben's physical attributes and natural talent be bad in a video game.

Of course you're going ro be able to.dominate if you use him.yourself. You could argue only Giannis has him for pure physical attributes.

[stizz]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

90% of his.problems are.mental. Until 2K can find a way to.give players effective mental attributes, it would be pretty hard to make a player with Ben's physical attributes and natural talent be bad in a video game.

Of course you're going ro be able to.dominate if you use him.yourself. You could argue only Giannis has him for pure physical attributes.

Couldn’t offensive consistency be used for this?


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[Luke Skywalker]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

Couldn’t offensive consistency be used for this?


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I think Offensive Consistency is more of an AI attribute. If I am controlling Ben Simmons, I dictate his consistency, by user skill.

Lowering Ben's stamina is the only way to use him correctly, to emulate his real-life counterpart. With the lowered Stamina: If you are playing Ben for 35 minutes, you need to be mindful of how you use him on offensive possessions so he wouldn't fatigue too fast. He might just be an off-ball guy setting screens for shooters. But if you decide to actually use him: go ham and turbo against the CPU, there should be dire consequences. The more you use him, the more he gets fatigued and becomes useless.

[m29a]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

I viewed offensive consistency in terms of how streaky and varied a player's performance can be -- even controlled by a user. We've all had times in games where the shots just aren't falling for a player -- why wouldn't it be tied to that rating? I haven't tested this though.

[dwayne12345]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

I think Offensive Consistency is more of an AI attribute. If I am controlling Ben Simmons, I dictate his consistency, by user skill.

Lowering Ben's stamina is the only way to use him correctly, to emulate his real-life counterpart. With the lowered Stamina: If you are playing Ben for 35 minutes, you need to be mindful of how you use him on offensive possessions so he wouldn't fatigue too fast. He might just be an off-ball guy setting screens for shooters. But if you decide to actually use him: go ham and turbo against the CPU, there should be dire consequences. The more you use him, the more he gets fatigued and becomes useless.

If the conversation is how to make it so users cannot use Ben in an unrealistic way that's a moot point. Anyone with stick skills can decide to not play sim and cheese with any number of players in this game. You can take an athletic player like Ausar Thompson and drop 40 with him every game if that's what you decide.


This conversation is more about how do you get Ben's ratings to be an accurate representation of his skill level.

[jeebs9]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

Only way I see for 2K to neuter his performance would be to give him low Fatigue rating, make him get tired quickly so he is only effective in spurts. Lets be real - if he played like he can in 2K, he would be a GOAT, Lol.

That's what they do with Zion [emoji23]. He can't last more than a few minutes

[Real2KInsider]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

I think Offensive Consistency is more of an AI attribute. If I am controlling Ben Simmons, I dictate his consistency, by user skill.

Lowering Ben's stamina is the only way to use him correctly

It would help if you knew the game mechanics before making sweeping absolutes.

Consistency affects the Hot/Cold system. It affects all correlating attributes the moment a streak is triggered, and thus is very much NOT an AI rating.

This is why "Hot" players will only be for offense or defense, not both. There are two separate ratings and systems.

Where it does tie-in to the AI is they'll feature Hot players. Preventing Simmons from getting Hot is paramount to the AI not utilizing him as a go-to-guy. Given that he'll surely get his share of easy buckets, especially at PG w/ his size/athleticism, it's paramount that his Offensive Consistency be kept very low in order to limit those instances.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

Another Nets Preseason Game

https://www.nba.com/game/bkn-vs-mia-0012300056/play-by-play

Notables:
Nets ran w/ a regular season rotation (Still no Cam Johnson)
DNPs for Bazley, Watford, and Giles (all fighting for roster spots so it's probably decided).

Starters: Simmons, Dinwiddie, Bridges, DFS, Claxton
Sharpe for Claxton (C)
Thomas for Dinwiddie (SG)
Royce for DFS (PF)
Dinwiddie for Simmons (PG)
Claxton for Sharpe (C)
Walker for Bridges (SF)

2nd Quarter
Sharpe for Claxton (C)
Thomas for Bridges (SF)
Simmons for Dinwiddie (PG)
Bridges for Walker (SG)
Royce for DFS (PF)
Claxton for Sharpe (C)
Dinwiddie for Thomas (SG)

3rd Quarter
Thomas for Dinwiddie (SG)
Sharpe for Claxton (C)
Dinwiddie for Simmons (PG)
Royce for DFS (PF)
Walker for Bridges (SF)
Claxton for Sharpe (C)
DFS for Claxton (C) - last 3 secs of qtr

4th Quarter
Sharpe for Claxton (C)
Brooks for Simmons (PG)
Thomas for Walker (SG)
Wilson for Bridges (SF)
Walker for Royce (SF, Wilson PF)

Depth Chart
PG: Simmons, Dinwiddie, Smith
SG: Dinwiddie, Thomas, Lonnie
SF: Bridges, Royce, Lonnie, Whitehead
PF: Johnson, DFS, Royce, Simmons
C: Claxton, Sharpe, Clowney

My guess would be Watford > Bazley for the 14th roster spot.

[dwayne12345]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

My guess would be Watford > Bazley for the 14th roster spot.

Good guess. Bazley got cut today.

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

If the conversation is how to make it so users cannot use Ben in an unrealistic way that's a moot point. Anyone with stick skills can decide to not play sim and cheese with any number of players in this game. You can take an athletic player like Ausar Thompson and drop 40 with him every game if that's what you decide.


This conversation is more about how do you get Ben's ratings to be an accurate representation of his skill level.

To each his own. At the end of the day, its up to the user and how they want to play 2K. The people who want simulation want the most realistic scenario possible. Realism is an illusion. To me, its about difficulty. It should be a lot more difficult for me to drop 40 with Ben Simmons without having to hold myself back, so I can stay in a realistic realm. I personally upped my Fatigue Rate slider up to 62, and I am seeing pretty good results.

Thanks for clarifying the Offensive Consistency slider, Rashidi.

[howardphillips214]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

To further the point.

Kevin Durant is UN. GUARD. ABLE.

Lebron? Please... Can't stay in front of him for ****.

Kawhi just shrugs me off or shoots over me.

Paul George hits leaners in my face.

Pretty much anyone halfway good is OP right now.

Russ goes off when I play him.

[dwayne12345]

Re: The Dominance of Ben Simmons in 2K

Game 1 : 1st qtr rotation
Starters:
PG Ben Simmons
SG Dinwiddie
SF Bridges
PF Cam Johnson
C Nic Claxton

2nd Unit:
PG Dinwiddie
SG Cam Thomas
SF Royce O'Neal
PF Dorian Finney-Smith
C Day'Ron Sharpe

Subs (in order):
1st Sub:
SG Cam Thomas in for Dinwiddie

2nd Sub:
PF Dorian Finney in for Cam Johnson
C Day'Ron Sharpe in for Nic Claxton

3rd Sub at 5:00
PG Dinwiddie back in for Ben Simmons
SF Royce O'Neale in for Mikal Bridges


2nd qtr Starters:
PG Dennis Smith Jr
SG Spencer Dinwiddie

SF Mikal Bridges
PF Royce O'Neale
C Nic Claxton


Random side note for roster makers:
Rotation: Looks to be 10 deep.
Defense: We're playing drop coverage and focusing on protecting the paint.