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  • howardphillips214
    MVP
    • Jan 2018
    • 1928

    #31
    Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

    Originally posted by VictorMG
    Bro. Stop. Like, seriously.
    Ok, fine.

    Everyone here can express their opinions except me. Right?

    I'm not allowed to have thoughts on here.

    I can't have a favorite player.

    You're all superior intellects and I'm some guy on the Internet who drools on himself.

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    • jrose57
      MVP
      • Dec 2007
      • 3513

      #32
      Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

      Originally posted by howardphillips214
      Ok, fine.

      Everyone here can express their opinions except me. Right?

      I'm not allowed to have thoughts on here.

      I can't have a favorite player.

      You're all superior intellects and I'm some guy on the Internet who drools on himself.
      Holly, haven't been seen anyone like this in forums in these days for so long, u really need help in the real world to like help u figure out what is stuck in your mind so badly that u just have to win, win a conversation or whatever that there is no competition in the first place

      n like said i am so sorry to use luka as an example, just pretend is someone else like a mvp version of ben simmons, yeah?

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      • howardphillips214
        MVP
        • Jan 2018
        • 1928

        #33
        Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

        Originally posted by jrose57
        Holly, haven't been seen anyone like this in forums in these days for so long, u really need help in the real world to like help u figure out what is stuck in your mind so badly that u just have to win, win a conversation or whatever that there is no competition in the first place

        n like said i am so sorry to use luka as an example, just pretend is someone else like a mvp version of ben simmons, yeah?
        Thanks for your concern, I have a therapist.

        And the video I posted the title is called "LUKA IS UNSTOPPABLE." and explains much better how the man can dissect a defense.

        But noooo, I just need to stop. Lol

        Call me names, I'm crazy.

        Make a point, I'm not allowed to post anymore.

        Like I said... Whatever.

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        • ggsimmonds
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jan 2009
          • 11235

          #34
          Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

          Originally posted by howardphillips214
          Thanks for your concern, I have a therapist.

          And the video I posted the title is called "LUKA IS UNSTOPPABLE." and explains much better how the man can dissect a defense.

          But noooo, I just need to stop. Lol

          Call me names, I'm crazy.

          Make a point, I'm not allowed to post anymore.

          Like I said... Whatever.
          Luka is not really the point of the thread man. In this game the AI almost always just matches position to position. Your point guard will always be guarded by the other point, your small forward will always be guarded by the other small forward, so on and so forth. Thats the point of the thread.

          The OP just happened to use the example of Luka because Luka is one of the top guys this is an issue with because even though he is listed as a PG, you damn sure don't want to throw your smallest player on him but thats exactly what the AI does.

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          • howardphillips214
            MVP
            • Jan 2018
            • 1928

            #35
            Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

            Originally posted by ggsimmonds
            Luka is not really the point of the thread man. In this game the AI almost always just matches position to position. Your point guard will always be guarded by the other point, your small forward will always be guarded by the other small forward, so on and so forth. Thats the point of the thread.

            The OP just happened to use the example of Luka because Luka is one of the top guys this is an issue with because even though he is listed as a PG, you damn sure don't want to throw your smallest player on him but thats exactly what the AI does.
            Noted. Understood.

            Still asking for the alternative.

            I gave an alternative earlier in the thread. Years ago, actually. Positionless basketball. Open up the floor.

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            • ggsimmonds
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2009
              • 11235

              #36
              Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

              Originally posted by howardphillips214
              Noted. Understood.

              Still asking for the alternative.

              I gave an alternative earlier in the thread. Years ago, actually. Positionless basketball. Open up the floor.
              We gotta take steps. That would be the end goal, but before 2k can reach a point where it can have full on positionless basketball the AI needs to at least be advanced enough to know when there are mismatches. Right now 2k's AI isn't in a good spot and it needs to be in a great spot in order to have positionless basketball

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              • FixEverything2k
                Pro
                • May 2016
                • 577

                #37
                Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                Originally posted by howardphillips214
                Noted. Understood.

                Still asking for the alternative.

                I gave an alternative earlier in the thread. Years ago, actually. Positionless basketball. Open up the floor.
                The alternative in this example is 2k putting 6’8 235 perimeter and interior defender OG Anunoby on the 6’8 Luka instead of 6’1 Schroder.


                Regardless of how unstoppable someone is, you put the person who would have the best CHANCE of Maybe getting a few stops.

                OP is simply asking why the game doesn’t put OG on him automatically, the answer seems to be because 2k’s AI is not that advance at the moment.
                ... But hey VC sale!!

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                • Smirkin Dirk
                  All Star
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 5173

                  #38
                  Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                  Originally posted by howardphillips214
                  Ok, fine.



                  Everyone here can express their opinions except me. Right?



                  I'm not allowed to have thoughts on here.



                  I can't have a favorite player.



                  You're all superior intellects and I'm some guy on the Internet who drools on himself.


                  Dude I am literally looking at the giant Luka poster on my wall as I watch the Mavs game, but that’s not what this thread is about.


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                  • jrose57
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 3513

                    #39
                    Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                    Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                    Dude I am literally looking at the giant Luka poster on my wall as I watch the Mavs game, but that’s not what this thread is about.


                    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
                    someone block this mental dude

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                    • Smirkin Dirk
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 5173

                      #40
                      Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                      Originally posted by jrose57
                      someone block this mental dude


                      Me?


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                      • jrose57
                        MVP
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 3513

                        #41
                        Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                        Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                        Me?


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                        No, block luka from playing nba so u can stop going nuts

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                        • howardphillips214
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2018
                          • 1928

                          #42
                          Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                          He's talking about me.

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                          • BUCKSWEATSHIRT
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 434

                            #43
                            Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                            In 2K16 this was a feature of ACE, ex. Bulls vs. Cavs- Jimmy Butler was the starting 2 and obviously Bron started at 3. Instead of having Mike Dunleavy matched up with Bron though, ACE would automatically match up Jimmy with LeBron.

                            Maybe somewhere down the line ACE got broken, because I remember back then when it was first introduced it did a lot of automatic adjustments like that for us.
                            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCms...P-hmPWObbxO_Yg

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                            • jrose57
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 3513

                              #44
                              Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                              Originally posted by BUCKSWEATSHIRT
                              In 2K16 this was a feature of ACE, ex. Bulls vs. Cavs- Jimmy Butler was the starting 2 and obviously Bron started at 3. Instead of having Mike Dunleavy matched up with Bron though, ACE would automatically match up Jimmy with LeBron.

                              Maybe somewhere down the line ACE got broken, because I remember back then when it was first introduced it did a lot of automatic adjustments like that for us.
                              Exactly, thats the thing I wanna point out, which I really rmb we HAD AI do that before, not sure why things keep getting worse and worse, but wanna say 2k24 is already much better than 2k23

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                              • ChaseB
                                #BringBackFaceuary
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 9844

                                #45
                                Re: CPU’s knowledge on matching up…

                                I do think they probably were hard-coded at some point. I imagine the way it should be handled now would be tied into a certain ratings range on the offensive player (plus if he's outside the norms for a position in terms of height/weight) while also checking if there are any "elite" defensive players who fit the general range of height/weight while having certain defensive ratings.

                                It's probably not as straight forward as that obviously but I think the AI focus has turned more to defensive rotations and such rather than matchups in recent years.
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