NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

[Therebelyell626]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

Um. YES.

Cam Thomas thru 12/21 (18 games)
24 PPG, 3 RPG, 2 APG (32 MPG)
46 FG%, 39 3PT%, 84 FT%

Cam Thomas 12/21 to 1/10 (10 games)
14 PPG, 1 RPG, 2 APG (23 MPG)
37 FG%, 27 3PT%, 76 FT%

Moreover, Thomas LOST HIS STARTING JOB during this period.

He missed TWENTY CONSECUTIVE shots at one point.

If his rating isn't dropping, why bother updating ratings at all?



One third of a player's season is not "a few" games.

Pretty much every player that went up/down 1-2 points is reflected within their production, and it's been that case for years.

I was just asking a question. Thanks for the answer

[Therebelyell626]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

Is he going to make the shots? You can't say he should go up in rating when the shots are going in but then dismiss it when they don't.



As I've continually said, 1 point of OVR is standard fluctuation. This is the first update where Haliburton didn't go up two points.

Haliburton up to 12/20
25 PPG, 4 RPG, 12 APG
50 FG%, 42 3PT%, 87 FT%

Haliburton 12/21 to 1/10
21 PPG, 5 RPG, 14 APG
48 FG%, 36 3PT%, 85 FT%

So there was a slight dip in his shot making, particularly his 3-ball.




A player going down 2 points isn't dropping off a cliff. Players go up in rating way more than they go down. Cam Thomas started the year at a 76. You can't bring him up 6 points in one shot and then not scale him back once he's off the hot streak.



LeVert's actually been remarkably consistent in a sense - his volume/role might change but his inefficiency doesn't. And it's far from impossible lol.

This makes sense. Thanks for explaining what goes into this. I have a full time job and a family, so I don’t get to watch as much basketball as I would like, so a lot of my consumption these days is reading articles and watching highlights until football season is over. I finally got 2k for Christmas and was very confused about the fluctuation from the December update to the January update. But this explanation actually made things a lot clearer for me so I appreciate it

[Redsdude]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

Just curious, what do you guys think about GG Jackson? What would you have him rated and where would you put his potential?
He’s got excellent movement skills and a lot of good off dribble stuff for his size and build. Inefficient right now but aggressive and very young. I think he can be an asset for a Grizzly team who will simply need him to come off the bench for a few minutes a game.

Just went for 23. Back to back 20 plus games in the only 2 he’s gotten real minutes. I know nothing crazy but he’s gotta be better than a 68 with low potential.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

Some "easy mistakes" I´ve found...

Peyton Watson
2k block rating 80
reality averaging 0.8 blocks/game

Using "per game" stats for a player averaging 18 MPG is an easy mistake.

Watson has a 3.9 BLK% (4.2% career) which is basically an 80.

That would be 23rd among qualifiers and 3rd among non-centers.

Kawhi Leonard
2k steal rating 70 / block 60

reality averaging steals 1.74/game; blocks 0.83/game; while averaging only 1.63 fouls/game

In reality you haven't demonstrated that you know the scales for those stats. Both of those ratings are fine.

You could go a little higher on Steal (2.5%, 9th in NBA) but it's not egregious and 2K tries to keep players low. He woukd rate an 80 under an older scale (where players rated higer)

[SirShaffty]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

Using "per game" stats for a player averaging 18 MPG is an easy mistake.

Watson has a 3.9 BLK% (4.2% career) which is basically an 80.

That would be 23rd among qualifiers and 3rd among non-centers.

A player who doesnt average 20 MPG, shouldnt have a higher block rating then e.g. a star-player who averages 34.5 MPG (btw Kawhi´s stamina rating could also use a bump). Upscaling stats is just a bs thing to do in this regard.
But I get it, that 2k operates this way..


Another eyescratcher is Dalano Banton (82 block, 70 steal). Averaging less then 10 MPG in 3 seasons.

In reality you haven't demonstrated that you know the scales for those stats. Both of those ratings are fine.

Since I take the pf/game in consideration, I clearly think Kawhi is undervalued here, especially at the steals part, where he is 3rd in the league and the only one in by far with less fouls then steals/blocks per game.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

A player who doesnt average 20 MPG, shouldnt have a higher block rating then e.g. a star-player who averages 34.5 MPG

And why not?

There is a wide gap between 3.9 BLK% (4.2% Career) and a player with a 2.2 BLK% (Career 1.6%)


Career BLK%
5.0 Andrei Kirilenko
4.5 Josh Smith
4.2 Peyton Watson
3.6 Matisse Thybulle
3.3 Giannis Antetekounmpo (Career high: 4.7)
3.2 Derrick Jones Jr

Rather than acknowledge the type of player he is, you're just looking at Watson's minutes and assuming he sucks / is overrated. It's the one thing he does well / reason he got drafted.

Suggesting he's anywhere close to the level of shot blocker Obi Toppin is because Toppin plays more minutes is just wrong.

Upscaling stats is just a bs thing to do in this regard. But I get it, that 2k operates this way.

Are you suggesting Kawhi have a higher block rating than Mitchell Robinson and Isaiah Hartenstein?

Another eyescratcher is Dalano Banton (82 block, 70 steal). Averaging less then 10 MPG in 3 seasons.

Banton had 2.3 STL% and 4.5 BLK% last year. Unlike Watson, he had a small sample (only 279 minutes) that 2K should have factored. His career rates are currently 2.0 STL% and 2.3 BLK%

Since I take the pf/game in consideration, I clearly think Kawhi is undervalued here, especially at the steals part, where he is 3rd in the league and the only one in by far with less fouls then steals/blocks per game.

Well that's your own fault for factoring something that has nothing to do with the rating. Foul rates are controlled by other ratings. They are generated IRL in a lot more situations than Steal & Block attempts. Note that Watson is nowhere close to Kawhi in Perimeter, Interior, or Help Defense ratings.

[Therebelyell626]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

I think it’s actually cool that someone comes on here and actually explains reasoning behind ratings adjustments. It actually makes me care about the ratings more knowing that there is some statistical analysis behind it instead of some arbitrary reasoning. We may not all agree on how they rate certain players, but at least there’s some reasoning and direction behind each rating change and someone willing to explain their reasoning. I just think that’s pretty cool

[sirdez]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

We've all been cooked by Real2k at some point in these threads, take it as an honour

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

We've all been cooked by Real2k at some point in these threads, take it as an honour

If you don’t know some obscure bench riders off reb % and connect it with 2k scaling, you’re a piece of **** and deserve flaming.


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[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

We've all been cooked by Real2k at some point in these threads, take it as an honour

He uses stats. I watch a ton of games. Difference in opinion [emoji23].

If you don’t know some obscure bench riders off reb % and connect it with 2k scaling, you’re a piece of **** and deserve flaming.


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I've always respected Rashid's take. His problem has only been tone. He can be a little hurtful if you haven't dealt with him before [emoji23].

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

If you don’t know some obscure bench riders off reb % and connect it with 2k scaling, you’re a piece of **** and deserve flaming.

If you're going to declare statements of fact using faulty logic and hasty generalizations...

He uses stats. I watch a ton of games.

I have been watching NBA basketball for 30 years now. What separates me from mostly everyone here is I've put the time in to learn 2K's scales/ratings/badges, track NBA data to learn trends, etc... over a TWENTY-YEAR period.

I don't have all the answers, but I do get better at my craft every single year. I do listen to people who know more than I do. I don't say things without double checking my work. Integrity means a great deal more to me than it does for many people on the internet.

His problem has only been tone. He can be a little hurtful if you haven't dealt with him before

Mind you, I am responding to someone who claimed they found "easy mistakes" and immediately proceeded to make a bunch of novice ones. (Think about the "Tone" I am usually responding to - because I am not an attack dog with everyone).

Stating Peyton Watson should have lower INDIVIDUAL attributes because of his TEAM role is 1998-level analysis.

Stating Kawhi should have a higher block/steal rating (bc look at his stats) - Might actually hold weight if his stats were compared to his peers as an example of why they are high/low. But they weren't.

"Player X is doing this, he should rate high!"
is not the same as
"Player X is averaging this and Player Y is averaging this, Player X should be higher".

(^^^Using the PER GAME averages of an 18 MPG and 35 MPG player DOES NOT COUNT).

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

Just went for 23. Back to back 20 plus games in the only 2 he’s gotten real minutes. I know nothing crazy but he’s gotta be better than a 68 with low potential.

Now that Jackson has gotten some meaningful PT...

GG Jackson
19.9 PER (86 mins, 11 MPG)
61 TS% on 25 USG%
5.9 AST% and 0.6 ATR
8.6 ORB% and 17.1 DRB%
1.7 STL% and 5.4 BLK%
1.9 OBPM and 0.4 BPM

Layup: 2-9 FG (22 FG%, 0 AST%, 3.8 FGA/36)
Dunk: 5-6 FG (83 FG%, 80 AST%, 2.5 FGA/36)
Close: 2-6 FG (33 FG%, 50 AST%, 2.5 FGA/36)
Mid: 1-2 FG (50 FG%, 100 AST%, 0.8 FGA/36)
3pt: 9-19 FG (47 FG%, 100 AST%, 8.0 FGA/36)

By the limited numbers, profiles as a poor man's Jaren Jackson Jr (offense) in Memphis' system. I don't expect the block rate to hold, but the assists & rebounds are more or less in line w/ JJJ, at least when he first came in.

From the NBA tape, offensively there wasn't a ton to get excited about, he took a lot of wide-open threes.

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What his numbers look like after he has a few off-nights will end up dictating where he lands. Somewhere in the 70-74 range unless he proves to be a legit daily contributor.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2023/prospects/gregory-jackson-ii

Analysis
Jackson plays at his own rhythm and has the tools to be an elite self-creator. He was asked to create shots outside of his comfort zone in college, as South Carolina’s offense was jumbled. He projects as a more efficient player once comfortable in a well-oiled NBA offense, but Jackson may still be a go-to option when the possession needs a bailout. He’s shown an ability to fill different roles on offense — ballhandler, screener, cutter, post-up — due to his fluidity, shooting ability and size.

Projection
Jackson fits the Michael Beasley and Derrick Williams scoring mold. His success as a rookie may depend on whether the coach is comfortable letting Jackson take things into his own hands, or if the desire is for the forward to play within a rigid system. A mix of both might create the right type of environment for Jackson to operate in a sixth-man role, whether it be in 2023 or later down the line.

— Profile by RotoWire

Draft Scouting
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Key 2K24 Attributes that will require boosting (even w/ the limited sample)
71 3PT
40 Shot IQ
52 Offensive Rebound
56 Defensive Rebound
60 Block
40 Offensive Consistency
40 Defensive Consistency

I knocked Jackson up to 71 OVR in my roster.
He's shown more in the last two games than Jake LaRavia has in the last two years.

[Therebelyell626]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

He uses stats. I watch a ton of games. Difference in opinion [emoji23]. I've always respected Rashid's take. His problem has only been tone. He can be a little hurtful if you haven't dealt with him before [emoji23].

Yeah he comes off as a little aggressive lol. I was like dude, I’m only asking a question. But I get it. It’s hard to convey tone with written words, and it probably gets super tiring having to deal with people all day everyday who want to know why player X offensive consistency is lower than player Y’s.

But he seems pretty hyper focused on the numbers and getting things right, so I think that’s pretty cool

[jd@os]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

I see what you mean about tone, but I don’t think it’s hard to convey here. I reply to people here just about the same way I talk to people in life—with respect. Sugarcoating can be used with snowflakes, but respect can be used for the general population; people who don’t use respect often shame you for being the one with the problem—the snowflake.

It’s not my job to tell people how to reply, but it’s also not my hobby to tell people they don’t know this, they don’t watch that, or to take the superior high ground by putting them down. Sometimes I have asked questions on OS before using Google, so I get it: sometimes you’d just like an innocent answer to an innocent question. If I see you criticizing 2K on one thread but I have a critique / question about a rating on another one, and you question my knowledge or if I watch games or look at stats or this and that, I’m like geez bruh.

I’ve said this before, but it’s okay to have a different opinion than someone else; personal slights, insults, and all the extra stuff breeds intellectual superiority when all someone was doing was voicing an opinion or asking a question. I deal with both legit and ludicrous questions, too, but my way is different, not necessarily right. I just don’t want anyone on OS giving people advice to ignore me because I can’t put that on anyone else but me.

So yeah, tone is a choice. I look at OS as a community, and it’s nice to see when that community is welcoming.


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[SirShaffty]

Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

Damn I poked the bear with my "novice statements". That was really not my intention and believe me or not, we are practically on the same page (aka "2k does a lousy job with their ratings"; we just have different perspectives/opinions how and how far).



Fair point you definitely have a far better understanding of how the actual 2k rating how's and why's. And I didnt mean to call this out, I just think the way 2k does things with their ratings (e.g. rolling the dice with the athletic attributes and almost never changing them after; using different upscaled advanced metrics to "overrate" roleplayers, quickly bumping players on the hotstreak, rarely the other way around on a long cold streak and MANY things more) is many times questionable. On the other hand I totally get it the challenge of putting the abilities of a complex sport like basketball in to numbers (and into a videogame).



So let me try to rephrase my bold statements a bit.
First I didn´t mean to compare Peyton Watson and Kawhi in the first place, they just happen to be together in one message.
Secondly I understand that 2k obviously using the metrics/advanced stats according to your facts you´ve given. Therefore the ratings are obviously correct. Thank god you were agreeing with me on OG Anunoby at least.



What I´m doing is doubting this procedure for that. We could go back and forth and hijack this thread for this, but first I doubt that I could reach you with my arguments but more importantly even if we write essays about Opinion A, B, C.... at the end of the day it won´t matter since 2k won´t care (about us) and they don´t do **** about it.



Last but not least, with the experience of watching Basketball for almost 30 years myself and playing ball (on a low level), I still think that having more steals&blocks then fouls/game is an anstounding accomplishment and should be seen (in the ratings). 2k thinks other way.