Screen and Hedge Settings

[topwater]

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I just finished a game in Play Now and changed the difficulty from Pro to HOF. I didn't touch any defensive setting at all.

I found out that CPU defenders go under screens in Pro and All Star difficulty and go over screens in Superstar and Hall of Fame difficulty. Interesting...

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I did the same testing over the past few weeks and I thought I was losing my mind, but I see you get the same results. This game has some huge issues. Some stuff is just kinda...SMH type stuff, haha.

I also have some other neat discoveries as far as gameplay goes. Using custom rosters, sometimes I find that Roster X, despite having lower ratings, the players will play way better than Roster Y. And they'll even do different things despite having identical tendencies. So I checked against other rosters that were initially created in the same time range as Roster X as opposed to Roster Y and the same thing happens. My point being that rosters created in a certain time range perform much differently than another time range. It's like the ratings and tendencies are baked into the roster. Anyone can test it easily and you'll see results plain as day.

There are some very wonky things that go on under the hood of this game. It's why you'll see people with such dramatically different experiences and results.

[Reddcheese]

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I just finished a game in Play Now and changed the difficulty from Pro to HOF. I didn't touch any defensive setting at all.

I found out that CPU defenders go under screens in Pro and All Star difficulty and go over screens in Superstar and Hall of Fame difficulty. Interesting...

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This is the most 2k thing I think I’ve ever seen.

[The 24th Letter]

Screen and Hedge Settings

I hate to say it, but Da Czar is really letting us down. This is his area IIRC.

Sim Nation is crumbling.

How dramatic, lol

Sim Nation is alive and well…it’s more likely you never understood what it is about if you believe that. Damn sure isn’t about perfection in complex game systems.

Going at Czar here is asinine.

The constructive part of this thread will be good for him to see though.

I can duplicate what Rob and shaq posted….is there any reason in particular others can’t? Is it really tied to difficulty? Endgame is getting it solved for me. The more info the better.


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[VictorMG]

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How dramatic, lol

Sim Nation is alive and well…it’s more likely you never understood what it is about if you believe that. Damn sure isn’t about perfection in complex game systems.

Going at Czar here is asinine.

Going over screens to prevent easy pull-up three-pointers has been standard NBA strategy for almost a decade, if not longer. If something that fundamental and that simple can't be replicated despite a specific setting for it, I don't know what 2K is doing.

Meanwhile, skateboarding in MyPlayer is a thing and nobody at 2K answers tweets or communicates with the fanbase on anything that doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator.

Sim players are struggling to create the experience they want, and the only reason I can imagine you'd think otherwise is that you don't spend time in places where roster creators are wracking their brains to figure out why the AI does this and that.

The offense is in a good place, but defense has been terribly unrealistic for a long time. We only just now got a system where team-wide help defense is even somewhat competent, and now with that being the case, the AI doesn't understand basic over/under screen principles even when you tell them exactly what to do.

I'm not even as mad at the issue itself as much as the fact that trying to get ANY answers from 2K for why the AI considers "Go Over" to mean "Go under pretty much every time, and sometimes go over if I'm feeling adventurous" is like pulling teeth. It'd be like if I bought a TV and the volume buttons changed the channel and no one knew why, or refused to acknowledge it. That'd be unacceptable. The function is there, and it's key to the experience, but it's not doing what it should.

I truly don't understand how something like this gets past QA testing or doesn't have more people in-house dedicated to solving it. That's why I said Sim Nation is crumbling. It's clearly nowhere near a priority if something this basic can go either unnoticed or ignored.

[Reddcheese]

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I’m in one of those places that is brought to the brink of quitting by the mindf*c* that is the 2k algorithm and yeah 2k the czar whoever deserve criticism in my mind.

Extremely happy the Superstar/Hof finding had immediate success in both cpu vs cpu and user cpu pnrs! I even saw them going over with slider changes which confirms something much talked about amongst the slider community…it matter where you start the sliders from!

Negatives are that the ai still does not seem to listen to the users settings. I put lillard to go under/switch/ice on maxey but always he attempted to go over. Still very happy with the finding and the leader par excellence of the discord believes that after the first quarter the ai ‘listens’ a bit more. Ie the first quarter is weird but I’ll set it to superstar/HOF.

I think 2k obviously needs to fix things as I saw the matchup bug after the first timeout just as I was lovin life but feelin like this be playable again Cheers all!

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Lollllllll. I’ve spent days trying to get the CPU to follow my defensive instructions. Yesterday I tried it on HOF, I usually play on all star. Nothing worked. Even tried reinstalling.

And it only works on superstar. lol. How counter intuitive.

[Reddcheese]

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Lollllllll. I’ve spent days trying to get the CPU to follow my defensive instructions. Yesterday I tried it on HOF, I usually play on all star. Nothing worked. Even tried reinstalling.

And it only works on superstar. lol. How counter intuitive.

Woah as in you can go over for the centre but switch for the non centres? Or go under Ja and Over for Bane? That would be massive!

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Well it doesn’t work in custom rosters. So….lol.

I was able to get them to go over more. But when I set it to switch when I’m not involving the 5, it didn’t.

So…I don’t know man.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Doesn’t work with custom roster on scrimmage or play now.

Does work when I set match ups from coach screen in mynba.

My brain hurts.

[Sheitan]

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How dramatic, lol

Sim Nation is alive and well…it’s more likely you never understood what it is about if you believe that. Damn sure isn’t about perfection in complex game systems.

Going at Czar here is asinine.

The constructive part of this thread will be good for him to see though.

I can duplicate what Rob and shaq posted….is there any reason in particular others can’t? Is it really tied to difficulty? Endgame is getting it solved for me. The more info the better.


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SIM Nation is a fraud.

NBA2K has never been a simulation game for the last 10 years and it will never be.

MyNBA did not get any fundamental core update in more than 10 years.

Default roster is terrible in terms of Attributes, Tendencies, Playbooks and all editable parameters.

There is no data-driven models used to build an accurate default roster whereas some random rosters creators such as myself are able to do in less than a week.

As the guys mentioned in this thread, most of the editable AI defensive settings do not work and it has been the case for years.

With such evidences, you live in an alternative universe if you believe the contrary.

[The 24th Letter]

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Going over screens to prevent easy pull-up three-pointers has been standard NBA strategy for almost a decade, if not longer. If something that fundamental and that simple can't be replicated despite a specific setting for it, I don't know what 2K is doing.

Meanwhile, skateboarding in MyPlayer is a thing and nobody at 2K answers tweets or communicates with the fanbase on anything that doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator.

Sim players are struggling to create the experience they want, and the only reason I can imagine you'd think otherwise is that you don't spend time in places where roster creators are wracking their brains to figure out why the AI does this and that.

The offense is in a good place, but defense has been terribly unrealistic for a long time. We only just now got a system where team-wide help defense is even somewhat competent, and now with that being the case, the AI doesn't understand basic over/under screen principles even when you tell them exactly what to do.

I'm not even as mad at the issue itself as much as the fact that trying to get ANY answers from 2K for why the AI considers "Go Over" to mean "Go under pretty much every time, and sometimes go over if I'm feeling adventurous" is like pulling teeth. It'd be like if I bought a TV and the volume buttons changed the channel and no one knew why, or refused to acknowledge it. That'd be unacceptable. The function is there, and it's key to the experience, but it's not doing what it should.

I truly don't understand how something like this gets past QA testing or doesn't have more people in-house dedicated to solving it. That's why I said Sim Nation is crumbling. It's clearly nowhere near a priority if something this basic can go either unnoticed or ignored.

I’ll let Czar know to chill on the skateboards since he spearheads all of that and get to work on those basic basketball principles. Go ahead and cook [emoji1434] I’ll bow out.


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[VictorMG]

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Never even implied that only Czar is to blame. But when such a basic yet glaring issue is present and the head of the department in charge of it (who vocally supports Sim Nation and at one point was an ambassador for it) doesn't even make his Tweets visible, much less communicates with the fanbase about anything with rare exceptions, yes, a spotlight should be shone on it.

I can't possibly stress how simple and simultaneously game-breaking this issue is and how disappointing it is that 2K staff members keep us in the dark about it. I really cannot.

You wanna know how much Sim Nation is crumbling? When's the last time Mike or Czar posted anywhere on this forum?

[The 24th Letter]

Screen and Hedge Settings

lol yeah I’d be itching to post in this thread if I was Czar

You co-signed SN being a fraud as a concept so is it really crumbling? Never really got off the ground I’d say. What would he contribute?

but no back and forth needed man. Continue. It is what it is. Officially tapping out. See where the forum is at now.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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SIM Nation is a fraud.

NBA2K has never been a simulation game for the last 10 years and it will never be.

MyNBA did not get any fundamental core update in more than 10 years.

Default roster is terrible in terms of Attributes, Tendencies, Playbooks and all editable parameters.

There is no data-driven models used to build an accurate default roster whereas some random rosters creators such as myself are able to do in less than a week.

As the guys mentioned in this thread, most of the editable AI defensive settings do not work and it has been the case for years.

With such evidences, you live in an alternative universe if you believe the contrary.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

But in terms of x and o strategy, this part of the game has not worked properly since ACE was unveiled.

How long have we been asking for an option to set a defender to genuinely leave their dude alone. Yeah there’s gap/leave them but that is very hit and miss. Why can’t we have a defender who does the 2.9 tap dance and only worries about his defender once he gets within 3 steps of the rim.

Look at the shenanigans we’re having to do to establish some pretty basic strategic decisions. You need to play on superstar, but not on a full moon, and only after 4 pm, on every 2nd Friday…then you can see some basic pick and roll decision making.

This entire strategic interface needs to be torn down, thrown in the garbage and rebuilt. Only include that comes with an iron clad guarantee of working.

[VictorMG]

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lol yeah I’d be itching to post in this thread if I was Czar

You co-signed it being a fraud so is it really crumbling? Never really got off the ground I’d say.

but no back and forth needed man. Continue. It is what it is. Tapping out.

You really just blamed this thread for the fact that Czar hasn't posted on here for over a year. And ignored the fact that Twitter is a thing. Cool. Keep making excuses and being sarcastic.