NBA 2K17 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

[EccentricMeat]

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Yea I see it with my Sg and pg mainly, they sit in the key and let opponents pop open 3s off of offball screens.

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For better attacking closeouts on off-ball screens, increase the (Gather) defense strength slider for the CPU. Your defenders will put more effort into getting past the screener.

Is there a slider that causes players that's wide open to do a step back LOL. I'm seeing that too much. Kawhi was wide open, did a step back and went out of bounds [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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I have no idea what causes the stepbacks, TBH. Was he already behind the 3pt line when he started the stepback? Usually when I see a stepback its from the CPU being just a step in front of the 3pt arc, never from behind the line though!

[G0DZGiFT]

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For better attacking closeouts on off-ball screens, increase the (Gather) defense strength slider for the CPU. Your defenders will put more effort into getting past the screener.







I have no idea what causes the stepbacks, TBH. Was he already behind the 3pt line when he started the stepback? Usually when I see a stepback its from the CPU being just a step in front of the 3pt arc, never from behind the line though!

LOL he had one foot in front and on one the line.


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[G0DZGiFT]

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[EccentricMeat]

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LOL he had one foot in front and on one the line.


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My best guess would be Jump Shot Defense sliders. With them at 40 all shots have a fairly high grade/rating so stepbacks aren't as punished as they would be at higher settings.

[G0DZGiFT]

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My best guess would be Jump Shot Defense sliders. With them at 40 all shots have a fairly high grade/rating so stepbacks aren't as punished as they would be at higher settings.

Got you. So should I stick with the original sliders for now?


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[EccentricMeat]

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Got you. So should I stick with the original sliders for now?


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You could try increasing the CPU Shot Defense sliders to make your defense react more aggressively. Also increase the USER Contest Shots tendency to 80+, which will DEFINITELY be in the next update.

[G0DZGiFT]

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You could try increasing the CPU Shot Defense sliders to make your defense react more aggressively. Also increase the USER Contest Shots tendency to 80+, which will DEFINITELY be in the next update.

Bet. I don't want to make no edits that's not gonna be in the update. LOL I'm gonna get used to the way it plays and then it's gonna get snatched away.


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[EccentricMeat]

NBA 2K17 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

When’s the next update [emoji102]


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My testing style doesn't work nicely with set dates/deadlines. I test multiple things at once, utilizing extremes (setting sliders to 100 or 0 to find what all each slider affects, then balance them together, and finally fine-tune from there). Sometimes I get lucky and everything falls together quickly and easily. Other times I have to hunt for solutions and the balancing takes a while.

In short, the update will be posted when it's ready [emoji57]

Bet. I don't want to make no edits that's not gonna be in the update. LOL I'm gonna get used to the way it plays and then it's gonna get snatched away.


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Yea, the USER Contest Shot tendency will DEFINITELY be somewhere in the 80-100 range in the next update. For some reason the CPU contests all the time with it at 60, but your AI teammates do not. Not sure why 2K can't just make sliders work the way they should.

[G0DZGiFT]

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My testing style doesn't work nicely with set dates/deadlines. I test multiple things at once, utilizing extremes (setting sliders to 100 or 0 to find what all each slider affects, then balance them together, and finally fine-tune from there). Sometimes I get lucky and everything falls together quickly and easily. Other times I have to hunt for solutions and the balancing takes a while.

In short, the update will be posted when it's ready [emoji57]




Yea, the USER Contest Shot tendency will DEFINITELY be somewhere in the 80-100 range in the next update. For some reason the CPU contests all the time with it at 60, but your AI teammates do not. Not sure why 2K can't just make sliders work the way they should.

Ok I'm gonna try once I get home. So to be clear, the last things you posted in here, disregard and go with the original slider set?


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[EccentricMeat]

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Ok I'm gonna try once I get home. So to be clear, the last things you posted in here, disregard and go with the original slider set?


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Well the speed and acceleration are kind of personal preference, but on ball D, lateral quickness, and shooting foul sliders will likely be updated to those values I posted earlier!

[G0DZGiFT]

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Oh yeah about that. I'm not seeing a high amount of fouls or turnovers. What's your stats looking like?


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[rody2k6]

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Hey Eccentric, could I use real % shooting with these sliders? I just stuck at timing.

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[dsmith710]

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I've seen it talked about the last few pages, and it's my ONLY issue with the current setup, the way defenders leaves guys WIDE open. This isn't a complaint, just some feedback. It's almost like with a pick and roll, or a player running through traffic to get open, the defenders not only don't close out, but it's like they are lost. Seems to be more often than not there's 1 or 2 guys just left unattended, mostly at the 3 point line while the lanes are clogged.

I'm no slider guru, and I'm sure you already have a good solution so I'm looking forward to it. Great sliders. I have been enjoying the game with them, though it gets difficult when the CPU keeps hitting shots because there's nobody in the same area code haha.

[EccentricMeat]

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I've seen it talked about the last few pages, and it's my ONLY issue with the current setup, the way defenders leaves guys WIDE open. This isn't a complaint, just some feedback. It's almost like with a pick and roll, or a player running through traffic to get open, the defenders not only don't close out, but it's like they are lost. Seems to be more often than not there's 1 or 2 guys just left unattended, mostly at the 3 point line while the lanes are clogged.

I'm no slider guru, and I'm sure you already have a good solution so I'm looking forward to it. Great sliders. I have been enjoying the game with them, though it gets difficult when the CPU keeps hitting shots because there's nobody in the same area code haha.

I know the solution, I just have to figure out a way to implement it without handicapping offensive variety and making contested shots/shots in traffic a guaranteed miss.

Basically, you have to increase the Jump Shot Defense sliders, which will improve perimeter defense and close-outs on shooters. However, it also 1) vastly decreases FG% on jump shots AND 2) makes the CPU avoid contested shots.

1 can be solved with increasing the shot success sliders, but then wide open shots are a guaranteed make even from below average shooters. 2 can be solved with increasing CPU shooting tendencies, but then the CPU runs a VERY uptempo, erratic offense.

Finding the correct balance between all of these factors is what is delaying my next update. But, it will be done soon enough!

Oh yeah about that. I'm not seeing a high amount of fouls or turnovers. What's your stats looking like?


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I'm working on turnovers being a little more dynamic and more of a factor in the next update. WAY too many possessions go by without a turnover, which is definitely gonna change.

Hey Eccentric, could I use real % shooting with these sliders? I just stuck at timing.

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Probably not, unfortunately. The shot success sliders would need to be tweaked quite a bit, which you can definitely do if you're feeling up to it!

[dsmith710]

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I know the solution, I just have to figure out a way to implement it without handicapping offensive variety and making contested shots/shots in traffic a guaranteed miss.

Basically, you have to increase the Jump Shot Defense sliders, which will improve perimeter defense and close-outs on shooters. However, it also 1) vastly decreases FG% on jump shots AND 2) makes the CPU avoid contested shots.

1 can be solved with increasing the shot success sliders, but then wide open shots are a guaranteed make even from below average shooters. 2 can be solved with increasing CPU shooting tendencies, but then the CPU runs a VERY uptempo, erratic offense.

Finding the correct balance between all of these factors is what is delaying my next update. But, it will be done soon enough!

I'm really looking forward to it. I'm a big fan of defense and making the other team earn it compared to getting killed because of AI issues. Thanks a lot for the sliders, awesome stuff.