NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

[goma76]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

The defensive logic here isn’t good imo. This should have been a straight switch off the screen (or Peel switch). On ball defender should not have tried to still defend his own man as he was so out of position. Even then the defender in the corner does not slide up to guard 1v2 after the first rotation or simply help on the next logical pass.

The AI definitely ignores the existence of any switching concepts, which is crazy because most teams IRL are constantly switching and that's why modern rosters have SFs playing at PF across the league. I get not switching when it's a guard running the PnR with a center, but pretty much any other position should result in a switch.

The corner defender should slide up and does pretty regularly, just not in this specific situation for whatever reason. But again, these are early tests with small tweaks, so I'm just happy to see players switching and closing out


Man I'm loving the gameplay right now though. One of those "Return to Main Menu" updates just got pushed and I'm pretty sure they fixed the lack of subs as well as made the dribbling just a little bit quicker/less "stuck in the mud" feeling. Second part could just be placebo, but my current game has had 4 substitutions per team at the end of the first quarter and then start of the 2nd. Then when a player got in foul trouble, he was immediately subbed out (which wasn't happening before this update). Fingers crossed they fixed it

Also, my current tweaks have caused a TON of loose ball situations in just the first quarter alone. Steals that bobble around and lead to a scramble, numerous tipped passes doing the same, inaccurate passes causing turnovers. I might cry happy tears :O

This is the key point for defense. Real teams constantly switches on P&R and in mostly cases the mismatch is well accepted on both side.
In 2K25 I haven't seen a single switch, the defender always tryes to go throw the wall and so he is often out of position.
Could you please go throw the defensive option, select "all switch" and test a bit this situation.

[rbillan]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Thanks for always keeping us up to date with the sliders! Much appreciated

How do you guys feel about the computer scoring? Seems high and make a lot of shots?

[EccentricMeat]

NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Thanks for always keeping us up to date with the sliders! Much appreciated

How do you guys feel about the computer scoring? Seems high and make a lot of shots?

Some games it is, some games you can keep them in check. If you play poor defense you will get punished though, which is what I always aim for. 2K really nailed the CPU offense this year IMO.

[extremeskins04]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Eccentric ive been testing both your sliders on main page, and HOF with default 50 game speed, and I can't figure out which I like more. I think that the CPU sliders for inside, close, medium and 3 pt shooting are very sensitive and even the slightest tweaks make the CPU change shooting dramatically.

It's a tough balance.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Eccentric ive been testing both your sliders on main page, and HOF with default 50 game speed, and I can't figure out which I like more. I think that the CPU sliders for inside, close, medium and 3 pt shooting are very sensitive and even the slightest tweaks make the CPU change shooting dramatically.

It's a tough balance.

Agreed. I think after that patch I'm going back to the default offensive tendencies and game speed. Though still using the defensive tendencies (Play Passing Lanes, On Ball Steals, Contest Shots) to get more turnovers.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

This is the key point for defense. Real teams constantly switches on P&R and in mostly cases the mismatch is well accepted on both side.
In 2K25 I haven't seen a single switch, the defender always tryes to go throw the wall and so he is often out of position.
Could you please go throw the defensive option, select "all switch" and test a bit this situation.

You can set the CPU to Switch All and it does actually work pretty well. The issue that arises from there is how laughably easy it is to force a huge mismatch on literally every single trip up the floor. Say you're using the Bucks and facing a team with a poor perimeter defending PF. You can simply PnR with Dame and Giannis to force the switch, and then either dominate the opponent's PG in the post with Giannis, or break the PF's ankles on the perimeter with Dame.

Now, the CPU is good at immediately triggering a double team when you post up a PG with Giannis, but this can often lead to multiple ridiculous scenarios that do not take into account any form of logic or intelligence in the slightest. One such scenario is that a double team is triggered while help defense is also triggered, so you can have two additional defenders immediately sprint over to cover Giannis leaving half the perimeter wide open.

Another scenario I've seen is that the far side defender shifts over to help in the post, the wing defender shifts down to cover the corner, leaving a wide open shot on the wing. Not a huge issue if the player in the corner is a dangerous shooter, as that lone defender needs to cover both the corner and the wing. But a lot of the time that corner shooter isn't a shooting threat and should just be left open by the AI (seriously 2K, add ONE layer of code to have that lone defender recognize the 3pt rating of both offensive players and then shade their help defense accordingly). I've seen a defender shift off of a player with 85 3pt shooting to cover a guy in the corner with 65 3pt shooting... Please 2K, this is unacceptable. Either have the player shift between the two but favor the 85 rated shooter, or have them ignore the corner shooter entirely since the difference in shot rating is so severe.

So yes, you can set the CPU to switch on the PnR, but IMO that opens up more problems than it solves. And those problems are far more jarring to immersion and overall enjoyment than the current complaint of "Well yea the shooter got covered, but he wasn't covered by the correct guy in the correct order". Ya know?

[clinthc0003]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

This is the key point for defense. Real teams constantly switches on P&R and in mostly cases the mismatch is well accepted on both side.
In 2K25 I haven't seen a single switch, the defender always tryes to go throw the wall and so he is often out of position.
Could you please go throw the defensive option, select "all switch" and test a bit this situation.

One thing I've been thinking would be a cool addition would be the ability to manually call for a switch via a button press. Like say if you're controlling the on-ball defender, if you press LB it'll cause the off-ball defender to switch onto the ball handler. I think this would probably be more similar to real life as well since the players are normally communicating when defending around picks.

In the same way we can manually call pick and rolls on offense when a play breaks down, it'd be cool if we had the same type of ability on defense when our defense is compromised.

[Permatron]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

One thing I've been thinking would be a cool addition would be the ability to manually call for a switch via a button press. Like say if you're controlling the on-ball defender, if you press LB it'll cause the off-ball defender to switch onto the ball handler. I think this would probably be more similar to real life as well since the players are normally communicating when defending around picks.

In the same way we can manually call pick and rolls on offense when a play breaks down, it'd be cool if we had the same type of ability on defense when our defense is compromised.

Can’t recall exactly how long it’s been in game, but I know in 2k24 you can press and hold “X” on PS5 (it may be a different button) as either the on-ball or off-ball defender to switch. Was very useful in those situational pnr’s.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[teknofilo]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Hi Eccentric, the sliders on page 1 are currently incorrect? (Due to the patch). What is the set to be tested currently? So you can give feedback.Thanks

[Aicarg]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Hi Eccentric, the sliders on page 1 are currently incorrect? (Due to the patch). What is the set to be tested currently? So you can give feedback.Thanks

We have the after patch corrections on the main page in blue color 👍🏻.

[teknofilo]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

We have the after patch corrections on the main page in blue color [emoji1303].

So the tendencies must be set by default and everything else as in the set in the first place? It seems to me that in some posts he said that many other things were to be reviewed. Thanks

[tcnumba10]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

ALPHA UPDATE v0.1!

Alright guys, the non-stop grinding has paid off and we have a base slider set to work with before the official NBA 2K25 launch date. Shooting, passing, help defense, turnovers, and tendencies, and fouls are at a great spot here IMO and should provide a good starting point for all of our testing. Any and all feedback, don't hesitate to post it here!

My first test tweaks if anyone wants an early look:

- Decrease Agility by 10 (User 40, CPU 35)
- Decrease CPU On Ball Defense by 5 (CPU 45)
- Increase Body Up Sensitivity (Currently testing at 100 just to see what happens, as the Agility and On-Ball Defense nerf opens up the iso game quite a bit and should lead to more blow-by and hip-ride animations)

These 3 tweaks are not posted in the v0.1 ALPHA, they are simply where my testing will start for the next update. Try these changes as well if you'd like, or stick to the full set in the OP as-is. Up to you!


EDIT: Oh FFS, of course 2K released an update for the game immediately after I post my sliders...

Starting over my testing with base HOF and 50 Game Speed just to see what changes there are. If an immediate update to the sliders is needed, I'll post it ASAP.

EDIT2: Ok 2K might have cooked with this patch. Default game speed feels pretty much spot on, default HOF has both teams tipping passes and playing aggressive. AND I'm making those "Slightly Early/Slightly Late" shots on occasion without having to boost Mid/3PT shot success sliders. My sliders might need a rework, the default gameplay is now giving a lot of the gameplay aspects I added with the base slider set. Only my first game, but wow I'm impressed all over again.

After getting the game and doing my own research, I find the hip-ride animation to trigger more often when the Body Up Sensitivity Slider is higher which irl happens all the time instead of seeing the dribbler being brick walled and lose his dribble in the NBA (but this does happen in low level competition ie YMCA, High School ball, sometimes NCAA)

[teknofilo]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Today I played a "play now" game after the update that downloaded me this morning. All by default at the Hof level. The impressions were very good, the only really absurd thing are The replacements that the CPU does not make and that even for the user are not much needed. Players get tired very little, Eccentric Have you tried modifying the sliders that affect fatigue values? (What voices do they mainly affect in your opinion?)

[jakalfc]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Today I played a "play now" game after the update that downloaded me this morning. All by default at the Hof level. The impressions were very good, the only really absurd thing are The replacements that the CPU does not make and that even for the user are not much needed. Players get tired very little, Eccentric Have you tried modifying the sliders that affect fatigue values? (What voices do they mainly affect in your opinion?)

The replacement method is not working, we need an update to fix this problem

[EccentricMeat]

Re: NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Sorry guys, I’ve been ridiculously busy this weekend with work and haven’t had any time to play the game since Friday.

To answer a few questions: Yes substitutions are broken and there does not seem to be a slider fix or workaround. The issue seems to stem from the game erroneously flagging players as “hot”, and the AI seemingly will not sub out a hot player. And not the red bubble under the player type of hot, a separate version you only see by going to the Substitution screen during a game.

I first attempted to get around this issue by setting the coach sliders to give bench players more minutes, coupled with zeroing out the coach slider that controls how much player performance factors into lineup changes during a game. That did nothing, so then I tried making it so the game would simply not flag players as hot by setting Offensive and Defensive Consistency to 0, which did nothing, as well as setting both to 100, which again did nothing. Same flags, same issues. Unfortunately this requires a patch by 2K, and according to their discord a fix is in the works.

As far as questions about which settings to use after the latest patch, I would set the game back to a Game Speed of 50, and leave the CPU offensive tendencies at 50 (so only use the Play Passing Lanes, Go for Steals, and Contest Shots tendencies). The rest of the sliders should be used as posted [emoji1303]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk