NBA 2K10: Defense and Offense Guide

[CX1329]

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THE INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

This thread has been derailed enough as is, so I'll now act mature again and leave it. Take this nonsense to PM if you're that inclined to argue on the Internet.

[BrianMeinders]

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This thread has been derailed enough as is, so I'll now act mature again and leave it. Take this nonsense to PM if you're that inclined to argue on the Internet.

Re-effing-diculous.

This is a thread discussing sim gameplay on NBA 2K10. There is not a more appropriate place to have this debate.

Nonsense? Talking about what is sim and what is not on an Internet forum designed for that is far from nonsense. I guess it's easier to think you're taking some high road out of the debate, rather than actually discuss it and find out you're wrong.

[INVALID]

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How ironic and hypocritical this entire tirade is.

[BrianMeinders]

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Let me try a different approach.

For any of you out there who claim that it doesn't matter if you play on the ball or off the ball defense:

Does anybody have a theory on why the developers would spend time and money to include tracking what is obviously a "non-basketball" stat such as percentage of time you guard the ballhandler in your VIP? Obviously they felt it was a very important in distinguishing what kind of player you are. Is there any other single non-basketball stat that they even care to track?

Or is it that you understand how "footplanting" breaks the whole thing...better than the people who made the game?

[BrianMeinders]

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How ironic and hypocritical this entire tirade is.

The only hypocritical thing I see is how some people feel it is OK to judge someone as dirty for abusing the paint....but then feel they are completely fine in playing defense in a way that literally forces their opponent to abuse the paint. That is the definition of hypocritical.

[cj27jack]

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first off, the developers included on ball vs off ball stat tracking in for purely strategical purposes. secondly, trying to tell or even suggest the way a person should use their team is absolutely insane. i agree with the person that said that to play a sim style game all you have to do is create a good representation of what the nba really is. with that said, if by playing sim you find yourself down by 8 pts with 1 min to go you won't start full court pressing, playing the passing lanes, an abusing the paint. head to head its not my job to limit you or myself. yes i try to play sim style, but first and foremost i play to win. so if that means constantly getting p.i.p. then its your job to adjust your strategy to stop me. every human opponent won't be at the same skill level as you so just take your win and move on to a better opponent. on ball off ball doesn't matter whatever strategy best fits you should be fine.

[BrianMeinders]

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first off, the developers included on ball vs off ball stat tracking in for purely strategical purposes. secondly, trying to tell or even suggest the way a person should use their team is absolutely insane. i agree with the person that said that to play a sim style game all you have to do is create a good representation of what the nba really is. with that said, if by playing sim you find yourself down by 8 pts with 1 min to go you won't start full court pressing, playing the passing lanes, an abusing the paint. head to head its not my job to limit you or myself. yes i try to play sim style, but first and foremost i play to win. so if that means constantly getting p.i.p. then its your job to adjust your strategy to stop me. every human opponent won't be at the same skill level as you so just take your win and move on to a better opponent. on ball off ball doesn't matter whatever strategy best fits you should be fine.

Wait, first you say it's insane to tell somebody how to use their team.

Then immediately, in the very next sentence, you say you agree with how the other guy said to use their team.


And what strategical purposes do you use the information from the VIP? Most people use that for weeding out opponents.

[cj27jack]

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i was not telling anyone how to use their team, all i said that if you want to to play a sim stlye game then it should be a representation of the nba. its true that players do use the profiles as a weeding out process but it was intended to be used as a strategical method of preparing for an opponent. I use it to prepare my gameplan for which areas i can gain an advantage. whether it be on offense or defense. this is part of the reason that i say if you don't like how a players vip looks then don't play, but as for me i play em all.

[BrianMeinders]

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i was not telling anyone how to use their team, all i said that if you want to to play a sim stlye game then it should be a representation of the nba.

This IS telling a player how to use their team. By saying this, you mean there should be jumpshots included, not all points should be scored in the paint, not every shot is taken behind the 3pt line, one player doesn't score every basket....yada, yada, yada...

How can you say it's absolutely insane to tell somebody how to play, then turn around and in the next breath, state they should play this way?

That's why this debate burns me so much...people have a simplified view of what sim is, and for the most part, it's entirely offense based. People that camp ENCOURAGE their opponent to score all their points in the paint....then those same people turn around and say how their opponent isn't sim, because they scored all their points in the paint.

And then when this is brought to anybody's attention....it becomes me that is the a-hole for telling people how to play?!?! It is the hypocrites who want to tell you how you SHOULD play offense, but recoil at the thought of anybody critiquing the way they play defense that drive me INSANE.

[BrianMeinders]

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I totally disagree.Off-ball D is fundamental in basketball.It's the same online-offline.It's obvious that you think 'he doesn't know to play good D so he switches to off-ball'.If you think that why don't you try to take advantage of it?

Here is the crux of the problem:

Off the ball defense is fundamental to real basketball.
Off the ball OFFENSE is just as fundamental to real basketball.

If you can tell me how to play off the ball offense on NBA 2K10, I would gladly accept that off the ball defense is valid. In that case, you could take advantage of a guy hiding off the ball on defense. As it is the offense only has control of the ballhandler, with limited, indirect control over the other 4 players. Anything the offense can do with their 4 off the ball players can be countered by the defense, using the same indirect controls (sliders and coaching settings); however, the offense does not have the same controls to counter a user controlled defender playing slightly out of position.

[Comduklakis]

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everyone stopped the argument. I think it is safe to give it up now.

[BrianMeinders]

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Oh, and by the way, I take it My Player can never be sim then, since you'll always be forced to play a lot of off-ball defense in that mode. Just further proof that this nonsense doesn't make for a very good discussion, given that it's strictly a matter of preference. Do you like playing on-ball defense? Then great, more power to you. But there's absolutely no way you can say that me playing off-ball defense will make my virtual depiction of Suns basketball resemble its real life counterpart any less.

Well, let's see....what do you think the difference is in My Player?

Could it be that user-controlled players play off the ball OFFENSE that can counter your off the ball defense? Can that happen in a 1 vs 1 game?

[jahswill]

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It's a complete joke that someone thinks they can tell someone how they should play a game they payed $60 plus dollars for, and on top of that think their opinion is indeed fact. It's plain idiotic, stupid, and simple minded!!

[BrianMeinders]

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It's a complete joke that someone thinks they can tell someone how they should play a game they payed $60 plus dollars for, and on top of that think their opinion is indeed fact. It's plain idiotic, stupid, and simple minded!!

First off, nobody is telling anybody how to play. We're debating, theoretically, about what is sim and what is not, on the internet, in a forum designed for it. I'm pretty sure you judge your opponents in a more real way, in the form of feedback, after every match.

Second, I'm looking for the opinion in my logic, maybe you can find it:

1. People who camp in the paint encourage the offense to score in the paint.
2. These people claim they play sim despite camping on defense.
3. If you were to play them, their defense will encourage the offense to score in the paint.
4. According to their one sided view of sim only being something that matters on offense, YOU are cheesing them.
5. That makes their view hypocritical.

BTW, just to make clear, this is purely hypothetical. I've never had a beef with anybody, never got in trouble in some league, actually haven't even played league since before they were an actual part of the game, never been accused of cheesing (that I know of), and despite my opinion on this have never had a shot chart that I wouldn't be proud to compare to any real game shot chart. I've got a 92% feedback, playing almost entirely random ranked games...and would imagine my feedback history is amongst the most lenient out there.

[LHSLax_D24]

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You can do it any way you want!