It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Same settings but 58 games:
first season 33 trades,second 17 and 14 trades in season 3.
In each season a really good numbers of FA signed.

So...is just the 82 games season that is bugged???

Guys I'm back on topic with something interesting:
Tested a 29 games season with the last(13/10) 2k roster(some guys said it is good but I don't see important changes...) and Auto generated rookies:

3 seasons:22 trades in the first,7 in the second,8 in the third
great numbers of FA signed in each season.

So my conclusions are these:
-Reasonable overall and potential ratings for NBA players and rookies provide a better Association experience:no more phenomenal rookies and a better development for actual NBA players.
-A really good numbers of trades and FA signed after season 2 playing a 29 or 58 games Association (every season simmed with chemistry,player role and injuries ON).

[ffaacc03]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Guys I'm back on topic with something interesting:
Tested a 29 games season with the last(13/10) 2k roster(some guys said it is good but I don't see important changes...) and Auto generated rookies:

3 seasons:22 trades in the first,7 in the second,8 in the third
great numbers of FA signed in each season.

So my conclusions are these:
-Reasonable overall and potential ratings for NBA players and rookies provide a better Association experience:no more phenomenal rookies and a better development for actual NBA players.
-A really good numbers of trades and FA signed after season 2 playing a 29 or 58 games Association (every season simmed with chemistry,player role and injuries ON).

THANKS again, nice to have a double check !

[TooTall]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Yeah, tested with 58 games and damn.

17 trades
15 trades
10 trades
12 trades

FA were being signed during the regular season and in the off season as well. Used Auto Generated rookies for the last two seasons. There were some players around 75 or so overall in the FA list but they were gone by the end of the season. Still say that the draft classes need to be toned down a bit.

I wonder why it works for 58 games and not 82.

[rangerrick012]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

How do the home/road records look w/ 58 gm season? Still whacked?

[Dalifeblives]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

THANKS to Serra (for confirming it with tests) and to whoever came up with the alternative of using a shortened association ... we need to specify that the issues are prevalent on an 82 games association.

At least we have something to enjoy while 2K patches this issues ... It would be odd to play a shortened one, but at this point, I take anything.

Association mode it is not broken, it just has flaws, thus too many to surely detract an important part of the inmersion it offers.

It is broken, the late game fouling doesn't work. This freakin game is killing it for me. My association mode is done, I guess I will have to have this game sit on the shelf until patch day

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

How do the home/road records look w/ 58 gm season? Still whacked?

yeah, unfortunately they are.

I actually allways play (and thus test) with 58 games, just didn´t say anything because i thought it was mainly Nogster´s roster fixing it and not the shortened association .... That doesn´t make any sense from a game-development standpoint ...

also :

Ok I figured out the whole intentional foul glitch... If you change your coach settings to manual while in association mode it will disable the intenional foul.

so this means you have to change it to your profile before starting an association or that you shouldn´t change it at all ?

[[Icy]]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Just throwing it an attempt to a logic theory behind the better assoc mode with shorter seasons (that is hard to explain as whomario said).

As most of problems are related to recruits being too good and development too fast, could it be that players are developing slower in the shorter seasons?

[haloofduty]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I just wanted to let the guys that are controlling all 30 teams that a glitch has carried over from last year if player roles are on. When you are controlling all 30 teams the computer does not adjust player roles. When the generated rookies come in the league they come in as prospects and they remain prospects for their whole career unless you change their role. That means changing every rookie role that comes into the league or they will never get any minutes.

I simmed 8 seasons and no in coming rookies role changed. Derek Favors and Cousins were still prospects at the age of 28. If Dirk rating drops down into the low 70s he will still have that star player role until he retires. That goes for everybody. No roles change unless you do it manually.

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

And there´s only (to my knowledge) a very finite amount of role changes allowed (no matter if controlling 1 or 30 teams), so you have to edit their roles over the Roster section.

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

And there´s only (to my knowledge) a very finite amount of role changes allowed (no matter if controlling 1 or 30 teams), so you have to edit their roles over the Roster section.

I found that if you change players role in roster section,the game don't save your changes.
I changed Nash and Dirk role from starte to star but when I start Asso thier role is starte...I'm the only one???Is there a workaround for this???

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Just went ahead and simmed 6 years ahead with the current default rosters and CWSapp´s custom draft classes and a 58 games schedule, roles/chemistry OFF. The rosters looked basically the same as at the start as far as overall rating distribution among all players and plenty of trade happening.

Then i did the same with an 82 game schedule (same default roster, same draft classes) and the talent distribution is similar, but there were no trades happening.

From this 1-time test i assume that trades are broken on 82 games, the default rosters work fine in terms of trades when doing 58 games (and i assume 29) so i think it´s save to say that it´s a bug in game engine and not roster related.

Heck, not even editing of potentials seems nescessary (at least with this 3rd roster update). I repeat : The rosters looked eerily similar to what you see at the start, with created draft classes (low starting ratings for rookies) at least.


Also Potential just doesn´t work. I´ve seen F potential guys (the draft class) rise to a 91 ... This attribute is just not working at all.

[MikeGiani]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So to make my association run smooth....I should turn roles, morale, and chemistry off?

[-Excellence-]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So to make my association run smooth....I should turn roles, morale, and chemistry off?

And from what others are saying switch to either 58 or 29 games a season.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So to make my association run smooth....I should turn roles, morale, and chemistry off?

Its been said to work on or off, its just a preference, just dont do 82 games until they patch the game, also re-edited draft class so you wont have all star teams 5 years into the association.

[MikeGiani]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Its been said to work on or off, its just a preference, just dont do 82 games until they patch the game, also re-edited draft class so you wont have all star teams 5 years into the association.

I thought the CPU teams don't update the player roles and players morale is overly sensitive again.