It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Agreed 100%, once the draft classes are toned down, we should see realistic trading and Free agency movement.

The HCA thing though, i'm a bit worried they won't be able to fix it. They would have to change their entire sim engine, who knows how much effort and time that would take.

As of right now, that's the only thing that's scaring the crap out of me when it comes to the question of, what are they fixing?

How are you going to edit the incoming rookies? What attributes are you changing? Are you using some sort of scale to do so? Like the other guy said, even having 10+ players at 70-71ovr is too high. So what should we do to fix it? I have no problem editing draft classes, as it really wouldn't take much work.

HCA i can deal with, and I play with morales, and team roles off anyway

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

How are you going to edit the incoming rookies? What attributes are you changing? Are you using some sort of scale to do so? Like the other guy said, even having 10+ players at 70-71ovr is too high. So what should we do to fix it? I have no problem editing draft classes, as it really wouldn't take much work.

HCA i can deal with, and I play with morales, and team roles off anyway

In order to get it on 2k's scale (progression and all)

You mite have to lower every attribute by 5-10 points....Yea, they really screwed us over...

CWSapp757 (nsuplaya84) has a pretty good class uploaded for the 360, his file should give you an idea of how low you should go...

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

In order to get it on 2k's scale (progression and all)

You mite have to lower every attribute by 5-10 points....Yea, they really screwed us over...

CWSapp757 (nsuplaya84) has a pretty good class uploaded for the 360, his file should give you an idea of how low you should go...

I am on the ps3, and the draft classes on there suck

I'll lower every attribute 7 or 8pts, except off/def awareness(which I'll lower by 10pts each), and I'll lower potential by prolly 7 or 8 as well.

Also, look at the secondary position of players...they have alot of 6'8-6'9 guys playing PF(which is OK I guess, but they have them at Center for secondary. That won't work! Just look at every player and edit his positions if needed.


Thanks man!

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

You can´t just lower every attribute by 7 or 8 pts, the key attributes need to stay put or lowered marginally to still make sense.
The overall rating should go down said 5-10 points with the strong draft classes (press on "new draft class" in the roster menu a few times and you´ll see there´s better or worse classes), if you lower every attribute by 7,8 points you´ll have tons of players that can´t do crap.

Unfortunately you´ll have to do it by gut feeling and try to create realistic players. For example, if theres an 82 rated scoring SG you´ll have to decide where he should have weaknesses and then either make him a worse finisher, worse shooter (mid, long range) or lower his ball handling/passing (and off awareness) or his defensive attributes. Lower one of those areas (consisting of 2,3 attributes) by 10 points and you´ll see he might only be a 77 rated player.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

It's way too much work, i'm sad to say but i'm completely burnt out doing all this editing and research.

Like Whomario said above, just lowering each rookies attributes by a certain amount of points would take out a sense of individualism between players..

2K screwed us when it comes to draft classes this year, the only thing we can do is wait for them to fix this.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

You can´t just lower every attribute by 7 or 8 pts, the key attributes need to stay put or lowered marginally to still make sense.
The overall rating should go down said 5-10 points with the strong draft classes (press on "new draft class" in the roster menu a few times and you´ll see there´s better or worse classes), if you lower every attribute by 7,8 points you´ll have tons of players that can´t do crap.

Unfortunately you´ll have to do it by gut feeling and try to create realistic players. For example, if theres an 82 rated scoring SG you´ll have to decide where he should have weaknesses and then either make him a worse finisher, worse shooter (mid, long range) or lower his ball handling/passing (and off awareness) or his defensive attributes. Lower one of those areas (consisting of 2,3 attributes) by 10 points and you´ll see he might only be a 77 rated player.

I see ur point, but overall there will still be good rookies. And the progression is so fast, it won't matter a lot. Agree? I just need a way to do it that won't take extremmely long. Looking at each player individually and playing God, deciding what his weakness and strengths are would take way too long. not going to do that.

[TooTall]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I just end up lowering all the attributes by 5-10 points. In the end, that drops the overall 5-10 points as well. For the most part, it seems like it works. Make additional changes if necessary. Rinse and repeat.

Maybe we can all work together and upload a few draft classes. It may take a few hours but hey, once they are done, they are done lol. I'll try to do a few classes and upload them here in a few days. If we each do 2-3, we should be set for the next 10 years in association

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I just end up lowering all the attributes by 5-10 points. In the end, that drops the overall 5-10 points as well. For the most part, it seems like it works. Make additional changes if necessary. Rinse and repeat.

Maybe we can all work together and upload a few draft classes. It may take a few hours but hey, once they are done, they are done lol. I'll try to do a few classes and upload them here in a few days. If we each do 2-3, we should be set for the next 10 years in association

Good idea! I'm on ps3 tho, most are on 360. How exactly do u upload draft classes tho??

[Whomario]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

The one thing that is driving me crazy is the role-bug in regards to injured players. Even when you go in and edit the players role via player editing, the cpu will reset it back the next day ...
I figured i´d go in once a month and browse through all team rosters and edit the once with suspiciously low moral back to the role they deserve. Yeah, well, that doesn´t work.

I´ll have to try resigning and signing with all 30 teams and edit the roles there, but i´m not doing that once a month ... Maybe before the trade deadline and before the playoffs ?

workarround would be playing without injuries, but that´s just sad ...

Other than this bug roles and chemistry actually work pretty nice.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

The one thing that is driving me crazy is the role-bug in regards to injured players. Even when you go in and edit the players role via player editing, the cpu will reset it back the next day ...
I figured i´d go in once a month and browse through all team rosters and edit the once with suspiciously low moral back to the role they deserve. Yeah, well, that doesn´t work.

I´ll have to try resigning and signing with all 30 teams and edit the roles there, but i´m not doing that once a month ... Maybe before the trade deadline and before the playoffs ?

workarround would be playing without injuries, but that´s just sad ...

Other than this bug roles and chemistry actually work pretty nice.

Just play with player roles and morale off. They don't really mean a whole lot imo anyway, even if they did work properly.

[ffaacc03]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Just play with player roles and morale off. They don't really mean a whole lot imo anyway, even if they did work properly.

I personally play with injuries off ... it is the main reason that makes the CPU AI go wild and it has been for a while now ... player roles effects are more interesting to deal with than injuries and believe me, you can deal with them ... once I re-edit the whole roster and find a couple of good draft classes (fictitional or not), I will go ahead and do my association ... I always do two: 1 solely as the gm and another one where I play and also do as GM.

Hopefully, they will fix the couple of association bugs with the first patch.

[jfsolo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

It's way too much work, i'm sad to say but i'm completely burnt out doing all this editing and research.

Like Whomario said above, just lowering each rookies attributes by a certain amount of points would take out a sense of individualism between players..

2K screwed us when it comes to draft classes this year, the only thing we can do is wait for them to fix this.

The person or people, or program that they are using to create the draft classes simply isn't/aren't very good. If you wait for them to fix it, then you're going to be waiting forever. If you don't want to give up on the mode, then doing it yourself or uploading someone else's created class is the only viable solution.

You can´t just lower every attribute by 7 or 8 pts, the key attributes need to stay put or lowered marginally to still make sense.
The overall rating should go down said 5-10 points with the strong draft classes (press on "new draft class" in the roster menu a few times and you´ll see there´s better or worse classes), if you lower every attribute by 7,8 points you´ll have tons of players that can´t do crap.

Unfortunately you´ll have to do it by gut feeling and try to create realistic players. For example, if theres an 82 rated scoring SG you´ll have to decide where he should have weaknesses and then either make him a worse finisher, worse shooter (mid, long range) or lower his ball handling/passing (and off awareness) or his defensive attributes. Lower one of those areas (consisting of 2,3 attributes) by 10 points and you´ll see he might only be a 77 rated player.

This takes time, but its simply the best way to deal with the issue. I always do this anyway, because even if the Overall's weren't too high, the individual ratings, skills, and tendencies are always randomized in a way that generates so many bizzaro universe players.

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

And once the draft classes are fix, everthiing else fixes itself

So does this fix the no transactions problem???
Has anybody tested it???

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I am on the ps3, and the draft classes on there suck

I'll lower every attribute 7 or 8pts, except off/def awareness(which I'll lower by 10pts each), and I'll lower potential by prolly 7 or 8 as well.

Also, look at the secondary position of players...they have alot of 6'8-6'9 guys playing PF(which is OK I guess, but they have them at Center for secondary. That won't work! Just look at every player and edit his positions if needed.


Thanks man!

Yea, just notice you're on PS3, CW fixed the secondary positions too!

It would have been good if you could have used his because bout time you (or anyone) finish year 1, there should be more classes to DL)






Here another food for thought,

The highest rated player in the game is 97

Seem like guys can progress 8-21 points up until they are 26-27years old (19 year olds have more time to develop than a 22 year olds) and they progress every year no matter if its 1 pt or 5 (2 or 3 pts on average, you wont see a player get +5 in OVR more than one year in a row)

With this logic, LBJ (The 97) would have been a 76 as a rookie

Here's how the 1st round of the 2003 NBA Draft would look like with 2k11's logic (Keep in mind that POT will increase their value or draft stock and 2k's rosters overate/underrate players)


1 LeBron James- 76
2 Darko Milicic- 43 (Centers are highly valued)
3 Carmelo Anthony- 72
4 Chris Bosh- 66
5 Dwyane Wade- 79
6 Chris Kaman- 60
7 Kirk Hinrich - 59
8 T.J. Ford- 60
9 Mike Sweetney- 42
10 Jarvis Hayes- 56
11 Mickael Pietrus- 60
12 Nick Collison- 57
13 Marcus Banks- 52
14 Luke Ridnour- 62
15 Reece Gaines- N/A
16 Troy Bell- N/A
17 Zarko Cabarkapa- N/A
18 David West- 66
19 Aleksandar Pavlovic- 43
20 Dahntay Jones- 66
21 Boris Diaw- 62
22 Zoran Planinic- N/A
23 Travis Outlaw- 56
24 Brian Cook- 46
25 Carlos Delfino- 58
26 Ndudi Edi- N/A
27 Kendrick Perkins- 52
28 Leandrinho Barboso- 57
29 Josh Howard- 62

*2nd round notes*

Steve Blake- 60
Kyle Korver- 51

Here's your reference

Compare this to the rookies in both NBA2k10 and NBA2k11

*Bonus*

Arenas would have been a 62

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

You can´t just lower every attribute by 7 or 8 pts, the key attributes need to stay put or lowered marginally to still make sense.
The overall rating should go down said 5-10 points with the strong draft classes (press on "new draft class" in the roster menu a few times and you´ll see there´s better or worse classes), if you lower every attribute by 7,8 points you´ll have tons of players that can´t do crap.

Unfortunately you´ll have to do it by gut feeling and try to create realistic players. For example, if theres an 82 rated scoring SG you´ll have to decide where he should have weaknesses and then either make him a worse finisher, worse shooter (mid, long range) or lower his ball handling/passing (and off awareness) or his defensive attributes. Lower one of those areas (consisting of 2,3 attributes) by 10 points and you´ll see he might only be a 77 rated player.

This makes sense on paper, but have you looked at these players attributes?

You can take them and win a championship now with some of the players coming out

Also, My Player is a perfect example that you dont need inflated ratings to be effective in 2k Basketball