The Game Is Not Broken, You Are.

[vegaas]

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I would be one happy camper if they would just fix the game so that you always pass to the guy in the direction you are pressing.

This!
If this was fixed this game would be awesome. I have no problems with the CPU steals when I make a bad decision. Its when its passed to the guy to my left when I was pressing straight ahead that pisses me off. I have so many turnovers on fast breaks and cuts to the basket because of this, its infuriating.

[The Fight]

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This!
If this was fixed this game would be awesome. I have no problems with the CPU steals when I make a bad decision. Its when its passed to the guy to my left when I was pressing straight ahead that pisses me off. I have so many turnovers on fast breaks and cuts to the basket because of this, its infuriating.

I don't want to be mean but have you tried directional passing? RB or R1 and the right stick in the direction you want to pass to *not lead passing but where the recipient is* I don't really use it, I prefer using the icon but the times where i do, its fairly accurate.

[Robinsonr5]

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I dont want to make this a marathon read so i'll be as direct as possible. There are specifically 2 complaints I keep seeing on these boards that i'd like to address and prove that people are overreacting.

Passing - To all the complainers: VALUE POSSESSION OF THE BALL. The fact that you're passing the ball around without discretion, which leads to turnovers, is not a patch-worthy glitch. Value the ball. Make smart passes. Dont force passes into lanes that arent open. Think like a basketball player. If that doesnt work, make the CPU Play Passing Lanes slider 0 and call it a day.

Association Trades: My biggest problem with Associations in past 2Ks has been this: TOO MANY TRADES. For instance, last year in my Association Jameer Nelson was traded 5 times in the first season. The last team he got traded to? You guessed it: The Magic! So he pretty much toured the NBA to end up right back where he started. Trades had no rhyme. No reason. Just trades for the sake of trades...
Well enter NBA2K11. Now trades arent made senselessly. They have rhyme. Even if isn't immediately obvious, they have reason. If a team is content with the talent and mix that they have, they stand pat. This is what any good GM would do. The Lakers have just won 2 straight NBA titles and they havent made a trade in over 2 years (Gasol). No more senseless trades in Association. But if you read the boards here you'll see that most people want a trade quota. They need "10-15 trades a year". And i say, i'd rather no trades than 15 trades that make zero sense. Less is more.

Let me end this by again thanking 2K for making the greatest basketball game Ive ever played and pleading for them to not overreact to the unjustified complaints from some of the people on these boards. There is a large demographic that understand and appreciate the steps 2K has made to make this game more realistic. Sometimes certain gamers need to step back and realize the game is not broken, but they might be.

AMEN Brother !!!!

[Robinsonr5]

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Some guys just cant play very good bottom line... I Changed my appoarch start thinking... and my turnovers are down... You got to coach... Its real this year baby...


Listen to the Zar baby...

Are you admiting the cpu is better than you sad...

[Maxflier]

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I don't want to be mean but have you tried directional passing? RB or R1 and the right stick in the direction you want to pass to *not lead passing but where the recipient is* I don't really use it, I prefer using the icon but the times where i do, its fairly accurate.

Was trying this last night but it doesn't work. Sometimes they pass the ball and sometimes they don't. Unless I am missing something and there is some option I need to turn on?

[erickonasis]

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Fair points and my bad for not reading this last night I would have played offline as opposed to online for the screen shots and box scores (I'm in love with the Knicks and the Hawks right now, any particular team you want me to play against? *NO CLASSICS!*).

Let me address somethings:

1) We most certainly do differ when it comes down to defining an exploit. This varies by personal experience and for some reason, what system you are playing on (More on that a lil later). Exploit in the vain that I was speaking about meant something like the crossover in the same spot exploit/cheese tactic not exploiting a defensive switch that you believe is in your favor *like Josh Smith on Jameer Nelson in the low block*. "Tricking the computer" and coming up with a defensive scheme are two different things. You can try to trick the computer by staying in the passing lane but eventually, you will pay for your over aggressiveness (play the spurs and try to jump the passing lane, then have fun wiping the richard jefferson musk off of your forehead). If you pick your spots and don't try to lock on to every person with the ball, the opportunity to defend the shot attempt or attempt a steal will be there for you. Defense ends with the REBOUND, you don't have to steal or block everything, just contest it and gather the board.

2) Running the same play over and over again leads to CPU adjustment (and being real with yourself, it should lead to Human adjustment as well). I've had the computer cheat over the top AND help backdoor when I ran pick and roll type plays. You will get your A## dusted if you run the same play over and over again in superstar, you will get run out of the gym in HOF.

3) You need experience to develop skill. The two aren't interchangable. Case in point, the way I learn anything in basketball is repetition. Real life or virtual world. When I'm getting my a## handed to me by the computer, I watch the replay to see what I'm doing wrong/ the CPU is doing right. In real life, about 7 years ago when I balled seriously (I'm 25), I would watch the tapes to see what was wrong with parts of my game. That's my training method. I identify sets by looking at them. When I play a game, I CHANGE MY PLAYS AT THE HALF OR THIRD QUARTER. (BIG THING I SHOULD MENTION: CAMERA ANGLE = 2K, ONLY. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW PEOPLE PLAY THIS GAME SERIOUSLY ON BROADCAST ANGLES!) I don't know all the teams sets, but I do know how to read tendencies. If there is some form of misdirection, then you should read the passing lanes in the areas where people like the ball (easiest one in the game, Steph Curry).


The computer isn't god-like in HOF. They harp on your bad habits. HOF in general is an exercise in endurance and patience. The stronger your command and application of basic concepts in 2K, the better you will fair. Period. All levels below HOF should be places where you hone what concepts you understand and apply them till it sticks. I SHOULD PLAY SUPERSTAR WHILE LEARNING NEW PLAYS/PLAYS THAT AREN'T FROM MY PLAYBOOK for example but I wont, I'm hard headed. That's why I can't figure out how to run the 14 hi iso effectively for Amar'e or Josh Smith (the spacing is way too effin tight). Difference is, I work at it. I'm a basketball fiend/nerd.

-Fight

i can agree with you on everything except the 2 k cam...im 16 and 7 ON HOF default and i play on Broadcast...Very easy to do moves and play this way

[The Fight]

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Was trying this last night but it doesn't work. Sometimes they pass the ball and sometimes they don't. Unless I am missing something and there is some option I need to turn on?

No, assuming that you are still on the default control option, pressing RB or R1, then moving the stick in that direction should pass. Make sure that the passer is on balance and remember that this isn't lead passing.

[The Fight]

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i can agree with you on everything except the 2 k cam...im 16 and 7 ON HOF default and i play on Broadcast...Very easy to do moves and play this way

I just can't run plays effectively from that camera angle and i can shoot unless i set the shot stick to absolute. its a mind f### to me.

[The Fight]

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I don't believe it. Post the box score and the team stats?

We all differ as to what we believe is an exploit. Exploit has a negative connotation because of people online who do the same cheesy stuff. But tricking the computer is 'exploiting' it. Off-ball Hawking steals is exploiting the cpu, doing the same play over and over again is exploiting the cpu. One can even say that if you know what play the computer is going to run that it's exploiting the cpu because they run the play as if you don't know it.

Point is, that's not skill so much as experience.


Unless you are totally beasting on offensive rebounds (more of a team thing than a skill thing) or making like 60% of your shots, it's hard to imagine that you are beating the computer on HoF/Sim without taking advantage of it. If you play the game fairly (which probably isn't even possible because you can't erase the knowledge of what the computer is going to do or what works and what doesn't), the computer will likely beat you or will give you a close game.

HoF and most highest difficulties in games are an overcompensation in difficulty. They know the AI will never be smarter than a human so they make it so that they make more shots, get more blocks... etc. But if you circumvent this by say... stealing the ball before they can take a shot or doing a move/play that they do not know how to react to... then you are exploiting the computer.

Edit: Also not sure what effect 70GS has on the game... if it makes it harder or easier, or neither.

-Smak

Smak,

My bad man, ive been lazy on here. I'll do you one better and brag a little bit, let me show you my VIP viewer screens. ill show the defensive vip next post

[sportsgamer15]

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Can someone help me? I am unable to control my team at all and it is not on coach mode. They wont inbound so i keep getting 5 seconds calls.

[The Fight]

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Note: i hung 60 on someone with joe johnson after they pissed me off online. the highest I dropped on the cpu was 41 with jordan crawford during my second loss.

[The Fight]

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Can someone help me? I am unable to control my team at all and it is not on coach mode. They wont inbound so i keep getting 5 seconds calls.

Save and quit the game. exit to the dashboard (360) or eject and go to the xmb. reload the game, load saved game, have fun...used to happen to me in 2k10 all the time.

[The Fight]

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Smak, this is my defense vip.

Again, if you want me to play a specific team, i will.

[Maxflier]

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No, assuming that you are still on the default control option, pressing RB or R1, then moving the stick in that direction should pass. Make sure that the passer is on balance and remember that this isn't lead passing.

Turns out I was just doing it wrong. I was holding RB instead of just tapping it and then moving the right stick. It's going to take some getting used to but it has worked flawlessly so far for me.

[clipperfan811]

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A couple things: Threads like this have become a dime a dozen You're likely to get this one locked up and told to address it in the impressions thread.

Regarding you're theory related to passing (I dont care about association trades): I do have concerns w/passing. A few weeks ago I was preaching basically the same thing you are. Well, after changing my "bad passing habits" caused by years of playing previous versions of the series, I no longer believe it's just a matter of taking care of the ball and bad habits. The computers ability to read every pass and successfully steal it, is dominating. There are still way to many turnovers, even when you take care of the ball. Basic passes that should be money are getting taken. I don't mind the computer being tough and getting its hands on some passes, but when I have computer controlled defenders who are seemingly "out of the play" yet last second they can turn around out of no where, or jump in front of a pass or who are able to complete a host of full court passes that would otherwise either go out of bounds or be stolen if I threw it, I have an issue with that.

On the other side of this: Your team mate AI IQ seems to be dumbed down defensively. Very rarely do your AI team mates get their hands on the computer passes, even though they are the same types of passes the user is attempting and result in a steal. Case in point are the full court passes. Mine are rarely completed. They are either thrown out of bounds, caught by the defense or my intended receiver bobbles it and the computer takes it. I'm yet to see this happen when the computer throws a full court pass. I play on "default" and switch between pro and all star. I use the 95 Bulls in my association and there is just no way that Jordan or Pippen should be defensively outplayed by Anthony Carter of the Nuggets, as I just had happen to me.

I know my reply may not be very popular, but I do feel there is a problem with to many computer steals.

I still think that the majority of bad passed result from my error, the system is very unforgiving and that's ok with me. I do agree that the system should be more even as far as opponent AI vs teammate AI. I've also noticed what you said about full court passes.

I feel that any tweaks done to the defensive awareness of opponent AI need to be minimal and tasteful. I love the hell out of this game as it is out of the box and would hate to see it's essence destroyed by a patch.

I guess it's suffice to say <B>fine tune Do not fundamentally change</B>.