Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Yes, you can use sliders to make the game easier. I am not disputing that. What I am disputing is your stance that sliders make the game easier. If you cannot understand basic logic than that is on you. They can make the game easier, they can make the game harder, or they can make the game more realistic. Point is that they can do multiple things so saying sliders = making the game easier is inaccurate.

The assumption you made was that people altered sliders to make the game easier but use the term more realistic to hide their true goal. You also assumed that those who adjust sliders do so because they do not understand basketball fundamentals. You assumed that your basketball knowledge is greater than theirs. You assumed that I was not reading your entire posts. You have made assumptions.
Your points were
1. Bumping on the perimeter. I agree with you. The way it is implemented is not perfect, but there is contact in real life so the bumping is fine. In real basketball when I beat a man off the dribble he typically does not slide 5feet in the wrong direction. Generally I run right off his hip. 2k did a poor job of recreating this, but the bumping is part of a larger problem. I don't try to stop the bumping because of that.

2. Passing across the court is foolish and people who complain about that need to learn how to play basketball properly.(my own little assumption) In my slider adjustments I have decreased the effectiveness of passing to duplicate what happens when big men try to be like Rondo. With default sliders I could throw a perfect alley oop with my center from behind the 3 pt line. Not cool.

3. Hands. Yeah, I lowered hands. Dropped it by a good bit for user, only marginally for the AI. 2 results I was looking for I achieved. One is more deflections, less steals. You would disagree with this, and that is your right. But in the end it is nothing more than our opinions. Secondly, (and more importantly) now my center cannot catch a pass in traffic every time.
Another issue is vertical. Not really because of superman rebounds. The bigger problem is blocked jumpshots. Happens way to often for me. AI defenders don't get them as much as me for a number of reasons. Chiefly among those is probably Javale McGee, Wall, and Thornton, but still (plus the AI does not really go for the block on the perimeter). I should not be getting 15 blocks a game with half of those coming off perimeter J's.

You earlier told a poster to start at rookie (or was it pro?) to work his way up. Well even for those who use sliders to make the game easier that is all they are doing. Instead of making a few large jumps, why not make a few incremental jumps?
Besides all of this though, I don't know how you are still saying you are against the use of sliders when you yourself use them. Makes very little sense.

Finally, to what prompted you to make this thread in the first place -- the excessive amount of complaining on these boards. That I agree with. The only thing I took issue with (go back and read my initial post) was mostly this little comment: "Ultimately all my B*$#&*& leads back to the same thing, learn how to really play the game and stop customizing it to your bad habits." Have I mentioned I don't like assumptions?

Lmao at that last sentence. Because I have a limited time right now, I can't get into all the detail that I really want to so this will be a concentrated post (don't know if I can do this well...):

Blocking jumpshots are often the calling card of highly athletic teams. You needn't look any further than last year's Thunder to see that. Ibaka was top 20 in blocked shots per game (actually I think he was only 20th or 21st) but the team lead the league in blocked shots. A lengthy wing like Young and McGee who is extremely quick off of his feet will block shots. That's not something negative. The flip side of this of course are the people who turn down the vertical because they are getting too many of their shots sent back. In that case, I would remind people re-read my original post.

In terms of the hands issue, I guess this is different because of the way we play. I've thrown alleys with Rondo to KG where Da Kid looks like he's have a 6th man moment complete with a phantom Kadeem Hardison pushing him into the backboard on HOF/Sim and I've Josh Smith catch an oop from Teague in traffic over the Magic. Because both occurrences happen, I have less of a gripe with this but I really don't like the Alley-oop system. It's too inconsistent for me (one of those "the game's not perfect" issues).

Passing across the court isn't stupid. Look at the Golden State Playbook. There are actually "Skip" plays in there. The problem is that people will pass across the court without rhyme or reason. At best, the person happens to look open, so they chuck it there. Now, that's stupid. Skip passes have to be set up like a post entry pass.

In reading this and my PM's I'm beginning to realize that I should make a new thread about what to do instead of modifying the sliders, lol.

Have to run.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Those that disagree strongly need to find a better way to express themselves.

To the OP, perhaps in your future threads you should show a little more... "class" when dealing with others in the community. Also, "rants" typically don't offer any good here on Operation Sports.

We're not going to continue the silly little back and forth here. Either everyone find a way to address each other respectfully or we'll deal with each comment accordingly.

Thanks.

Heh, I appreciate the word choice but come on now. I feel that I've addressed people with respect where it was given to me. I've acknowledged people's opinions that were different than mine and even said that people had valid gripes. Certain posts I've laughed off and certain posts I've taken issue with, sure, but for the most part, I don't feel as if I've been over-the-top with anything I've said to this point. I've already seen the ban hammer swing in this thread once. I wasn't trying to toe that line.

[Pared]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I understand and I do see that you've been respectful for the most part, hence why the thread has not been closed.

However, your tone isn't always interpreted in the best way by more than one individual, so it's something to consider in your future replies.

Hope that helps.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I understand and I do see that you've been respectful for the most part, hence why the thread has not been closed.

However, your tone isn't always interpreted in the best way by more than one individual, so it's something to consider in your future replies.

Hope that helps.

*Salutes* Fair Enough. I'll do my best to keep it a little more civil on my end. Thanks for the heads up, fellow New Yorker .

[Crossover1]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I have been reading this thread the past few days and it is very interesting. I personally don't like sliders. I always said I will only use it as a last resort. The OP, to me, is mostly on point with everything he said. Most of the people in here who takes a defensive stance against him are the ones that are guilty of making the game easier or in denial, using the often thrown around "better stats" as a excuse because it cannot be proven wrong completely.

[teddyballgame78]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I have been reading this thread the past few days and it is very interesting. I personally don't like sliders. I always said I will only use it as a last resort. The OP, to me, is mostly on point with everything he said. Most of the people in here who takes a defensive stance against him are the ones that are guilty of making the game easier or in denial, using the often thrown around "better stats" as a excuse because it cannot be proven wrong completely.

If you have been reading the thread for days why would you put it back to square one?

[BegBy]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I have been reading this thread the past few days and it is very interesting. I personally don't like sliders. I always said I will only use it as a last resort. The OP, to me, is mostly on point with everything he said. Most of the people in here who takes a defensive stance against him are the ones that are guilty of making the game easier or in denial, using the often thrown around "better stats" as a excuse because it cannot be proven wrong completely.

So by admitting you don't like the use of sliders do you think that it is cool that guys like Durant, Bargnani, or even other terrible bigs are jacking up 30-40 shots per game? Because without adjusting the sliders (until recently, and even now they are still kinda wonky) that's what the game was like out of the box.

[homeycool]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

To the OP:

I just spent the past two hours reading every post in this thread. It's now 4:30 am MST. I have to agree with what seems the majority opinion here, that you offer excellent advice regarding game strategy but have been very close minded to the notion that sliders DO help gameplay.

I'm currently going to school to become a programmer and was interested when you said you used to program in C++. It would seem to me that using the sliders offered by 2K11 (The best I've ever seen on a basketball game) is as close to programming the game as we’re going to get. I'm sure much of what 2K’s software engineer's do to perfect the game is simply adjust values and algorithms to get desired results (ala more advanced sliders). I am of the mind that sliders should be adjusted cautiously and with great care. I do think that people often inadvertently blemish the game by over adjusting sliders. I also agree strongly with a previous poster that said adjusting sliders can become addicting and eventually lead to a complete disconnect from the game. There was another poster that said the solution most likely rest at some point in the middle.

Really the hardest time I’m having with your overall tone (I’ve read every post) is why you feel so personally scorned because someone you don’t know may or may not be cheating themselves out of an excellent gaming experience. You’ve mentioned several times that it bothers you to see so many take short cuts rather than to learn the game. Why…? I just can’t understand why you have taken this crusade to stop short-cutting so personally. I appreciate your passion and knowledge of the game, and for the most part, your well mannered approach to sharing your message. At the very least, I think we can agree to disagree.

[Crossover1]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

If you have been reading the thread for days why would you put it back to square one?

I was just givin my 2 cents. Its not back at square one. I said MOST people, not all.

So by admitting you don't like the use of sliders do you think that it is cool that guys like Durant, Bargnani, or even other terrible bigs are jacking up 30-40 shots per game? Because without adjusting the sliders (until recently, and even now they are still kinda wonky) that's what the game was like out of the box.

Well adjust their tendencies individually. Sliders are global, so if u change it bc superstars are shooting too much, then the other guys that had the right amount of shots will shoot much less now. Sliders make the game unbalanced the more u move it from the original spot (50). It will solve one problem and cause another, but if that's how u wanna play, who is me to tell u how to play your game that u payed $60 for? Have fun

[Pared]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Sliders make the game unbalanced the more u move it from the original spot (50). It will solve one problem and cause another, but if that's how u wanna play, who is me to tell u how to play your game that u payed $60 for? Have fun

What is funny about this is the developers included slider changes this year.

Guess they don't know what they are doing and guys like you do!

[Crossover1]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

What is funny about this is the developers included slider changes this year.

Guess they don't know what they are doing and guys like you do!

Using authority figures does not prove that altering sliders will or will not make the game unbalanced. So tell me this. Why was it so hard to make 3 ptrs on sim setting? Or why did everyone post up, including Allen Iverson? Or how about everyone and their mom playing good on ball defense, including Shaq?

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Using authority figures does not prove that altering sliders will or will not make the game unbalanced. So tell me this. Why was it so hard to make 3 ptrs on sim setting? Or why did everyone post up, including Allen Iverson? Or how about everyone and their mom playing good on ball defense, including Shaq?

That is an argument for using sliders. Most who argue against the use of sliders are using a slider set themselves. The only difference is that the developers made the slider set in use. We can all agree that developers are not infallible.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

The only real arguments a person can make against adjusting sliders is that the game either was absolutley perfect out of the box (or with each gameplay update) or that the issues it does have can't be fixed with sliders. Either way you've got you're work ahead you as far as proving those points goes.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Quick check in, my fault people, another case of real life interfering with 2K, last night. I will be back on my grind later on tonight. I have a few things I need to address.

Thanks to everyone PM'ing me on here and on the 360 (even some of the negative ones). Now that the beta is over, I can private/party chat on the 360 again, I hope you guys like the new dashboard as much as I do.

Carry on folks.

Last quick thing: Do you guys want me to make a new thread with the next 10 topics or should I append to this one? Mods, I guess you can/should answer that one too.

-The Pugnacious One

[CX1329]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

My latest box score for DEFAULT All-Star/Sim:

Blazers (me) - Bucks (CPU)

1st quarter: 29 - 18
2nd quarter: 13 - 12
3rd quarter: 21 - 5
4th quarter: 20 - 11
Final: 83 - 46

Stats:

Points: 83 - 46
Field Goals: 34/78 - 20/92
FG%: 43% - 21%
3 Pointers: 5/19 - 1/22
3PT%: 26% - 4%
Free Throws: 10/15 - 5/8
Assists: 24 - 10
Turnovers: 12 - 9
Team Fouls: 8 - 10
Total Rebounds: 47 - 44
Off. Rebounds: 8 - 11
Steals: 8 - 8
Blocks: 19 - 1
PiP: 36 - 22
Bench Points: 28 - 11
Second Chance Points: 4 - 4
Fast Break Points: 8 - 4


Yeah. No. Back to sliders for me, because the CPU plays an incredibly stupid game of basketball on default All-Star/Sim. 19 BLOCKS FOR ME. Nineteen loving blocks. The CPU scored 5 points in the 3rd quarter, on 8% shooting. =/