Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

You are forgetting a 3rd reason for adjusting sliders. You play the game (win or lose is irrelevant) and after several games and looking at the stats you realize that it is a sub par representation of basketball. So you alter sliders on both ends to increase the realism.

It goes back to what da czar says. Don't play videogames, play basketball.
Now certainly you can do that with the default sliders, but the outcome will not be as accurate as sliders can be.

Back to your point earlier about winning 37 games is unacceptable (not exceptable, ask your English teacher about the difference) that is a point where we have a fundamental disagreement. You earlier stated that Jordan Crawford is averaging 18 ppg in your association. Talk all you want, but if you are averaging 18 points with Jordan Crawford then something is not right. I would have a problem with that.

I like the challenge of taking a bad team and rebuilding them to turn the team around. But if I could win now, what is the point? I adjust sliders until I find that perfect balance where I can get to the rim with Wall almost at will and where if I try with other guys it is an exercise in futility.

Granted you said it was a double ot game, but looking at your photos of the team stats for that game they look unrealistic. Both teams shooting over 60%? Half of the total points were in the paint? I don't like those numbers.

OK, changing sliders to reflect realistic stats kills the extremities. I didn't care much for statistics after my second year of high school but I know a weighted average when I see one. Games like Golden State's last one *MONTA WENT OFF!* just don't happen any more and that's not realistic either. The game that I had wasn't typical. *i've posted box scores of other games that I've had in "the game's not broken, you are" thread if you don't believe me.* That's probably the highest point total I've allowed all year and probably the second highest I've scored.

lmao @ not exceptable. That's about as bad as saying conversating, my fault, lol.

Jordan Crawford starts for me and Bibby is pissed and is more than likely going to be traded because he is becoming a moral problem but all that notwithstanding, starting against the grizz, cavs, wizards won't yield a drive first guard with a mid range jumper at least 14? Really? Maybe I'm biased because I've seen him play in person in tournaments? Hell, I've played against NBA players before *Sebastian Telfair is just damn unfair* and didn't get the same vibe. Maybe it's just me. 31 Dub and 21 Up get him great looks (and great looks for Marvin Williams). I'll take the criticism.

I'm a knick fan. Ok stop laughing. The next season I play in association will be with the Knicks. My goal will be to win the chip. Period. Again, what's the point with putting up good looking loses? I didn't buy this game to lose and feel good about it. The season after that will be the Timberwolves and I will have the same goal (with an insanely steeper climb). I don't know if I'll get to the Thunder season before 2K12 comes out. We'll see.

Last, In the fourth quarter of my game, I went three point crazy twice. In the fourth and in the second OT. I was down by 8 or 9 to start the 4th. In that quarter I dropped 40 (!) including 7/9 from three point land after missing damn near everything in the 2nd and 3rd. I got beaten off the dribble a lot because of switches and I ended up trying to give up jumpers but dwade wanted the inside and took it. LeBron thought it was a good idea and did the same thing. I ended up trying to just let one person beat me at a time but in doing so, I surrendered the paint. Bad/abysmal strategy by me. I really should have practiced with the Lakers first. My pip came from getting shaded to help D so I reversed the court and beat them back door (targeting Big Z and staying the hell away from LeBron). Good idea, and good run starter but they took it away too easy and I became Kobe happy once they did. 32 Power is way to enticing not to.

In all those scenarios, I had to make coaching decisions based on what the Heat showed me and I tried to make adjustments based on their adjustments (couldn't in the second OT, they put LeBron on Kobe and just shut him down). That's the kind of realism that I want, coaching chess matches not nerfed stats.

I would be lying if I didn't see your overall point about the reasoning behind using sliders. I just don't see the point of going that far for average stats.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Thanks for the response Fight..You sound like Hubie Brown breaking all that down LOL..I'm going to have to hit scrimmage and get my practice on. I've got to stop relying on directional passing in those circumstances and use icon, gng, etc. more..

Lol, former knicks coach aka one of my influences.

The only thing that sucks is that you can't practice against a roaming 4 in any mode offline. you need a human player. good luck to you sir, lol.

[NINJAK2]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Lol, former knicks coach aka one of my influences.

The only thing that sucks is that you can't practice against a roaming 4 in any mode offline. you need a human player. good luck to you sir, lol.

U R right lol, but can u still set the cpu to play in a 1-3-1 zone in scrimmage? It won't be the exact same but atleast I can see where the pockets are in that zone and learn where openings are...

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

OK, changing sliders to reflect realistic stats kills the extremities. I didn't care much for statistics after my second year of high school but I know a weighted average when I see one. Games like Golden State's last one *MONTA WENT OFF!* just don't happen any more and that's not realistic either. The game that I had wasn't typical. *i've posted box scores of other games that I've had in "the game's not broken, you are" thread if you don't believe me.* That's probably the highest point total I've allowed all year and probably the second highest I've scored.

lmao @ not exceptable. That's about as bad as saying conversating, my fault, lol.

Jordan Crawford starts for me and Bibby is pissed and is more than likely going to be traded because he is becoming a moral problem but all that notwithstanding, starting against the grizz, cavs, wizards won't yield a drive first guard with a mid range jumper at least 14? Really? Maybe I'm biased because I've seen him play in person in tournaments? Hell, I've played against NBA players before *Sebastian Telfair is just damn unfair* and didn't get the same vibe. Maybe it's just me. 31 Dub and 21 Up get him great looks (and great looks for Marvin Williams). I'll take the criticism.

I'm a knick fan. Ok stop laughing. The next season I play in association will be with the Knicks. My goal will be to win the chip. Period. Again, what's the point with putting up good looking loses? I didn't buy this game to lose and feel good about it. The season after that will be the Timberwolves and I will have the same goal (with an insanely steeper climb). I don't know if I'll get to the Thunder season before 2K12 comes out. We'll see.

Last, In the fourth quarter of my game, I went three point crazy twice. In the fourth and in the second OT. I was down by 8 or 9 to start the 4th. In that quarter I dropped 40 (!) including 7/9 from three point land after missing damn near everything in the 2nd and 3rd. I got beaten off the dribble a lot because of switches and I ended up trying to give up jumpers but dwade wanted the inside and took it. LeBron thought it was a good idea and did the same thing. I ended up trying to just let one person beat me at a time but in doing so, I surrendered the paint. Bad/abysmal strategy by me. I really should have practiced with the Lakers first. My pip came from getting shaded to help D so I reversed the court and beat them back door (targeting Big Z and staying the hell away from LeBron). Good idea, and good run starter but they took it away too easy and I became Kobe happy once they did. 32 Power is way to enticing not to.

In all those scenarios, I had to make coaching decisions based on what the Heat showed me and I tried to make adjustments based on their adjustments (couldn't in the second OT, they put LeBron on Kobe and just shut him down). That's the kind of realism that I want, coaching chess matches not nerfed stats.

I would be lying if I didn't see your overall point about the reasoning behind using sliders. I just don't see the point of going that far for average stats.

You make valid points. But here is what I say to your comment about chess matches not nerfed stats. Adjusting sliders does not take away from the strategy. There is not a "AI intelligence" slider. With proper sliders you can have both. (And with good sliders the difference between players becomes more noticeable, so tricks that may work with sub par players may not work any longer -- forcing you to adjust)

My point about realism in losing games with bad teams is moot with regards to you because from this post I gather you only play one season before restarting. Well if I did that than I too would want to win it all, but I play multiple years with one team, so the "building a contender" is the focus. And as I alluded to earlier, why bother building if I can win with scrubs?

And the last thing I will say about realism taking priority is this: That is the definition of a sim baller. That is the foundation for which simnation was built upon. (And after hearing that you run a 1-3-1 zone just as much as man I hereby revoke your citizenship, lol)

And for Crawford truth be told I cannot say much. Before restarting my association I was running Nick Young (72 ovr) at the 2. Averaged 14 ppg, but his defense was definitely a liability. Points are not the only stat. But I also did not start him by choice. Every other option kind of fell apart.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

There should be awards for posts like your's.

My 360 broke a couple months ago, and I haven't gotten a new one yet. But it sounds like 2k11 is truly a great chess match. When I do get a new console, I'm definitely going to pick it up. My question for you:

How is the end of game AI? Fouling, desperate shots, intensity, just to name a couple aspects. I have not seen it addressed anywhere (that's not to say that it hasn't been, I may have missed it), but it seems that historically this has been an area of weakness in sports games (Madden, even the Show it seems can't get bullpen usage right).

You know your stuff, and I'd value your opinion.

Good question.

The answer is really all over the place. Like every other 2K, the full court press will be on and easy to break under 2 minutes BUT I have noticed that the computer calls the plays that have worked against you throughout the game more frequently during crunch time. You still get the heavier heartbeat vibration at the free throw line, btw. You get better crowd cutaways when the home team scores but it still doesn't feel like you're at the game/watching the game on TV. I haven't gotten to the playoffs yet but the Jordan challenges that take place in the playoffs do have louder crowds (loudest I've ever heard anyone cheer for Hersey Hawkins, lmao).

The way you play the other quarters really dictate how the last 2 minutes feel. The chess match element is there, but lets say you have a large lead you are trying to overcome (say you had a sh*$$& first quarter) and you keep chipping away and chipping away for 2 and half quarters, you definitely feel the tension and feel the momentum entering that crunch time. The three's are back breaking or crowd lifting. The dunks make you stand up and yell or make you want to throw your controller in a toddler-like tantrum. You fret over what coaching emphasis you want to employ. You analyze the floor with the precision of an open heart surgeon. Basically, the payoff is there for you when you win and dejection will wait for you when you lose.

Good damn stuff.

Here's hoping you get your box back soon.

-Fight

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

You make valid points. But here is what I say to your comment about chess matches not nerfed stats. Adjusting sliders does not take away from the strategy. There is not a "AI intelligence" slider. With proper sliders you can have both. (And with good sliders the difference between players becomes more noticeable, so tricks that may work with sub par players may not work any longer -- forcing you to adjust)

My point about realism in losing games with bad teams is moot with regards to you because from this post I gather you only play one season before restarting. Well if I did that than I too would want to win it all, but I play multiple years with one team, so the "building a contender" is the focus. And as I alluded to earlier, why bother building if I can win with scrubs?

And the last thing I will say about realism taking priority is this: That is the definition of a sim baller. That is the foundation for which simnation was built upon. (And after hearing that you run a 1-3-1 zone just as much as man I hereby revoke your citizenship, lol)

And for Crawford truth be told I cannot say much. Before restarting my association I was running Nick Young (72 ovr) at the 2. Averaged 14 ppg, but his defense was definitely a liability. Points are not the only stat. But I also did not start him by choice. Every other option kind of fell apart.

I laughed hard a couple of times reading this.

If there were an AI intelligence slide, I wouldn't play the game. More of an I, Robot thing than anything else (once again, had to, sorry).

Well, shooting myself cold is something I do often. I don't want a slider that prevents that from happening (Well, I do. Deep down in my heart I don't want to lose any games and I would want to make sure that it was harder for me to do so but that's wrong in my book). I wouldn't want Joe Johnson to feel leaps and bounds better than everyone else on my team because game in and game out, he may not be. Building my role players in association is my singular favorite thing to do (last year when the Grizz offered me Gay and Hadadi, I was excited to have a project Center). Realistically, championship teams have players that can step up when called upon. That's just more coaching changes and adjustments. I love it that way.

I play one year because I like playing with too many teams. I don't want to control more than one team for obvious reasons. Back in ESPN Basketball and 2K5, I ran multiple seasons with my beloved Knicks. When I started playing against people online in 2K6, too many people played with the Knicks so I had to learn how to play with other teams. Eventually I tried to always have 3 teams I ran with. This year, I have 4.

Ok, this is a sneak preview for the other post I want to put up. Running 1-3-1 breaks most ice and hi iso plays. 2-3 breaks most rub and punch plays. When trying to safeguard/ preserve energy for a lineup, without burning a Timeout, that's what I find to be the best defensive strategy. Still a defensive coaching adjustment with a purpose, now give me back my passport lmao.

I knew I was going to start Jordan Crawford as soon as they got him on draft night. I started Trigger (Teague) and Jamal Crawford after trading Bibby last year. Lost on ball defense but gained a better offensive flow. When I realized this, I knew I had to have better defensive schemes.

Young is not a bad option but I would have had his a*$ in the gym whenever I could.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Hey man I accept your opinion as well. The slider thing just got me a little. I totally agree about changing a game when you get used to it online. Gears of War went through like 6 title updates from nerfing the chainsaw,shotgun,and smoke grenades. I HATED some of those updates but I adjusted and still kick *** in that game!

Take it easy

lmao, for what it's worth, I was on the top 200 in execution for GeOW 1 (think im still 400 or so now). Gears 2 pissed me off because of the nerfing of all the guns when host advantage was still prevalent.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

The pretty ridiculous blanket statement by the OP on sliders understandibly turned alot of people off even though he made some good points. Some of the best minds we have in the bball gaming community (Rashidi among others) have put in serious work explaining the flaws in this game and possiblie fixes for them. Its been said but its worth saying again-more challenging does not mean more realistic. If I lose a game at the last second because the CPU called KB's number off a double screen and he beat his man thats fine. But if I lose because Paul Gasol jumped 40 inches in the air to grab a rebound for the put back and theres no way to box him out, thats not ok.Sliders are one of the ways gamers deal with these contingencies.

Can't argue with most stuff here. My thing will always be what did you do to stop something from happening? Gasol has a rocketpack on when offensive rebounding? Who's boxing him out/how many people crashed boards? Did you direct switch to the man that was the closest to him? Do you feel like you need to? Changing the sliders is a option, not a option.

Good post.

[teddyballgame78]

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lmao, for what it's worth, I was on the top 200 in execution for GeOW 1 (think im still 400 or so now). Gears 2 pissed me off because of the nerfing of all the guns when host advantage was still prevalent.

Nice top 1000 in both Gears 1 and 2 currently hanging around 8000 on execution. I feel you on the nerf stuff I put the game down a few times over updates but I always end up going back. There is no game that gives me the rush and comradery that gears does.

On a side note times 31 exp all weekend and gears 3 is gonna have dedicated servers.

[AdamBa17]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

The pretty ridiculous blanket statement by the OP on sliders understandibly turned alot of people off even though he made some good points. Some of the best minds we have in the bball gaming community (Rashidi among others) have put in serious work explaining the flaws in this game and possiblie fixes for them. Its been said but its worth saying again-more challenging does not mean more realistic. If I lose a game at the last second because the CPU called KB's number off a double screen and he beat his man thats fine. But if I lose because Paul Gasol jumped 40 inches in the air to grab a rebound for the put back and theres no way to box him out, thats not ok.Sliders are one of the ways gamers deal with these contingencies.

wait, are you saying you wanted the game more challening? because from what you described in your post you're actually making the game EASIER in that situation, because you dont feel you can box out gasol well enough, so you want to patch that.

if you want a challenge, you HAVE a challenge. you said it yourself.

if you're saying its no realistic then i guess you may have a case to argue.

[osubeavs721]

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Ok dude first off i agree with your strategy stuff, I do. To win in this game you have to run plays. Anyone who plays on AS or higher knows that. SO thanks for the common sense. i can tell you're still in HS. Because instead of backing up a point, you just get louder and repeat yourself. Take a debate class next term or year sir.

As a few have stated you are a hypocrite to the fullest. In your first post you rant on people who adjust sliders... Yet you play with an amped game speed and higher FT (yes making it harder) but that is not the point. You claim to play on the default sliders. yet you have adjusted them yourself.

Now to a second point. People who use sliders usually cant play 12 minute quarters. Really the default sliders are built for that, you admit that yourself. Like me personally. I play on 9 minute quarters, I have a life outside of video games. I have a job and go to school. being grown up really blows sometimes but hey you do what you have to do. I have to use sliders to get realistic #'s. I dont want a 78-80 game, I want 90-105 scale like the average NBA game. Adjusting the sliders is the only way to get the computer to play a 9 minute game like a 12 minute game and still make it basketball.

I doubt you will actually respond to this because I am not attacking you, and no the hypocrite statement is not attacking. it's stating a fact.

But do keep helping people out with strategy, i dont want to just flame you for the sliders debate. You do have a good young basketball mind. you remind me of myself. You know the game and a lot of people on here dont, they know video games. So I do encourage you to keep giving basketball strategy tips.

[ILLSmak]

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I dunno man... I'm still working on getting 2k to play the way I want it to play. I don't understand what your problem with editing sliders is, either; game speed is a slider, too.

I understand what I'm trying to accomplish with sliders, but like I said I haven't had the time to really spend getting it perfect because every time I really get into the game, I start getting annoyed.

I'll tell you what I've changed in sliders, though.

I put on-ball defense down a lot. From 70 to like 35. Can you get a jumper more easily? Yeah, but you can't really make a living on the drive. If you want to win, you still have to run plays, but you can isolate and take a bad shot if you want to. Like I said in another thread, the on-ball defense effects the pressure on every player, so it makes them play more realistically. You realize NBA defense plays the paint, right? They don't chase people out on the perimeter... maybe a few plays a game in clutch situations.

Then, my other tweaks were just pushing dunking way down (to 30 rating and 10 in traffic success), but it's still not enough. I lowered layups and made contact shots less, too. Raised fatigue and defensive rebounding a bit.

And pushed up steal a bit and attempt steals. So now if you are standing there holding the ball the computer might actually take it away from you.

Then I changed the computer tendency for shoot 3 pointers by 5 (down) so they'd stop jacking so many stupid 3s.

It's stuff like that that most people edit. You act like people are going in and putting all of their shooting sliders at 70 and the computer at 30. heh.

I would be happy to tell you exactly what I've done with sliders and have you play a game and see if you think it's 'modified to be easy' or better because I personally think it's more of a challenge with OBD lowered because the computer does all kinds of stuff that it would never do while getting molested at 70 OBD.

-Smak

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

Ok dude first off i agree with your strategy stuff, I do. To win in this game you have to run plays. Anyone who plays on AS or higher knows that. SO thanks for the common sense. i can tell you're still in HS. Because instead of backing up a point, you just get louder and repeat yourself. Take a debate class next term or year sir.

As a few have stated you are a hypocrite to the fullest. In your first post you rant on people who adjust sliders... Yet you play with an amped game speed and higher FT (yes making it harder) but that is not the point. You claim to play on the default sliders. yet you have adjusted them yourself.

Now to a second point. People who use sliders usually cant play 12 minute quarters. Really the default sliders are built for that, you admit that yourself. Like me personally. I play on 9 minute quarters, I have a life outside of video games. I have a job and go to school. being grown up really blows sometimes but hey you do what you have to do. I have to use sliders to get realistic #'s. I dont want a 78-80 game, I want 90-105 scale like the average NBA game. Adjusting the sliders is the only way to get the computer to play a 9 minute game like a 12 minute game and still make it basketball.

I doubt you will actually respond to this because I am not attacking you, and no the hypocrite statement is not attacking. it's stating a fact.

But do keep helping people out with strategy, i dont want to just flame you for the sliders debate. You do have a good young basketball mind. you remind me of myself. You know the game and a lot of people on here dont, they know video games. So I do encourage you to keep giving basketball strategy tips.

Wow. Where do I start here. I believe this will be my 48 or 49th post (EDIT: This was post number 47) in this thread, which would mean that damn near everytime someone mentioned me or asked me a question, I've responded to them.

Next, I arrived on this planet via c-section in January of 1985, making me 25 years old.

I've repeated myself a couple of times with people who I felt didn't read my previous posts and I changed to CAPS and BOLD FACED CERTAIN ITEMS BECAUSE PEOPLE SKIM THROUGH WHAT I WROTE AND IT BECAME PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT THEY DID.

Yet again I have to say this in this thread because clearly you haven't read this but here we go, I never said I play the game on default. I never said this game was perfect. The main group of people who I was addressing were "sim ballers" (search the thread).

People who I've disagreed with who have made valid points, I've acknowledged their opinion, even said that I couldn't disagree with where they were coming from. (For the love of God, look at all of ggsimmonds' posts.)

I'm not going to get into the difference between settings and sliders again, moreso because it's a technicality (like I mentioned) and it really doesn't accomplish anything.

A "good young basketball mind" eh? Well, I didn't go into this on purpose (I touched on it briefly when talking about Jordan Crawford and Telfair) but ok. My basketball background is a little deep. I was recruited to go to a couple of D-II schools (and 1 low level D-1 in the Patriot league) for basketball, baseball and in one case, judo (club). I've always been around coaches, seeing what little gems of info I could steal from them. Getting the opportunity of a lifetime on November 18th to go to the Coaches vs Cancer luncheon to see Gene Keady get awarded at MSG because of talking about basketball to the right person at the right time. [Embarassing] I teared up meeting John Thompson for the first time last year *one of my two idols growing up, the other would be Ewing* I was only able to tell him that he was the reason I picked up a basketball. All in all thanks for the compliment.

The grown up comment is funny considering that the way I respond at work is by copying what people say on the site to me into an email, writing a reply in a email then pasting it on the site. Funnier still that my 4 year anniversary with my girl was October 13th, which clashes so well when the game you waited for all year came out about a week before. Planning stuff while playing the game almost made me not have a GF anymore, lol.

Back on task, like I said earlier, adjusting the gameplay sliders to achieve specific results (like realistic stats) nerfs the "anything can happen" nights which actually isn't realistic. My association games are on 10 minutes now (actually most games I play are 10 now, 12 against certain people or when I'm trying to learn something by playing my VIP), Most games are Mid to low 80's to high 80's/ mid 90's. Sure, you will see stinkers and blow outs but that's what really happens in the L (see Golden State's season so far and going forward considering that Eric Gordon actually broke Steph Curry's ankle).

People who adjusted their sliders, let me ask you a question: How many of your seasons have the Bucks at 0-2 and the Nets at 2-0? (Both teams were 1-1 in my association.)

-Fight

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

I dunno man... I'm still working on getting 2k to play the way I want it to play. I don't understand what your problem with editing sliders is, either; game speed is a slider, too.

I understand what I'm trying to accomplish with sliders, but like I said I haven't had the time to really spend getting it perfect because every time I really get into the game, I start getting annoyed.

I'll tell you what I've changed in sliders, though.

I put on-ball defense down a lot. From 70 to like 35. Can you get a jumper more easily? Yeah, but you can't really make a living on the drive. If you want to win, you still have to run plays, but you can isolate and take a bad shot if you want to. Like I said in another thread, the on-ball defense effects the pressure on every player, so it makes them play more realistically. You realize NBA defense plays the paint, right? They don't chase people out on the perimeter... maybe a few plays a game in clutch situations.

Then, my other tweaks were just pushing dunking way down (to 30 rating and 10 in traffic success), but it's still not enough. I lowered layups and made contact shots less, too. Raised fatigue and defensive rebounding a bit.

And pushed up steal a bit and attempt steals. So now if you are standing there holding the ball the computer might actually take it away from you.

Then I changed the computer tendency for shoot 3 pointers by 5 (down) so they'd stop jacking so many stupid 3s.

It's stuff like that that most people edit. You act like people are going in and putting all of their shooting sliders at 70 and the computer at 30. heh.

I would be happy to tell you exactly what I've done with sliders and have you play a game and see if you think it's 'modified to be easy' or better because I personally think it's more of a challenge with OBD lowered because the computer does all kinds of stuff that it would never do while getting molested at 70 OBD.

-Smak

What's good Smak? Wondering when you would show up 'round here.

I'm not touching the GS setting debate. I touched on it on the post above this one and I think 2 times in this entire thread.

Great offense beats great defense. I don't want to do anything to that changes that. Most of good D, comes from good guessing, good instincts and good reactions. On the ball D effects the way the offense has to attack and exploit matchups on the perimeter and by proxy, the interior. There are teams who are more risky on D who try to bait you into throwing a bad passes and then there are teams like the Heat that will have their athletes roam and close out on you (like LeBron did all night against the Magic last night, I wish I had Synergy so I could show you).

Smak, I know you don't alter for the win but you got to admit that some do. Either that or they won't play on high difficulty settings. Lol, if memory serves me correctly, you said that that it's impossible to beat the CPU on HOF by 20.

By the way, you know if you give me the sliders, I'll play through it and post it up here. Give me the difficulty, settings and all the sliders and I'll post the results. I'll PM you when it's up, like I did last time too.

Stay up.

[The Fight]

Re: Rant: Helping you out of necessity and insipid rage

wait, are you saying you wanted the game more challening? because from what you described in your post you're actually making the game EASIER in that situation, because you dont feel you can box out gasol well enough, so you want to patch that.

if you want a challenge, you HAVE a challenge. you said it yourself.

if you're saying its no realistic then i guess you may have a case to argue.

^Lmao, yes that's what I'm talking about people.