Is this considered a cheese tactic?

[jeebs9]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

This is true you CAN lock them down but when the guy isn't even running offense and all he's doing is attempting a million crossovers with D Rose, I don't care how good you are you WON'T be able to stay in front of him.

I feel like if the guy your playing isn't even attempting to run offense and all they're doing is free styling with their PG, then it's definitely NOT cheese to roam the paint with your center.

Exactly!!

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[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

When I'm playing online and I'm facing very quick guards that get to the rim real easy (i.e. Derrick Rose) I often stick to playing off ball defense with my center. I'll normally shadow the side of the rim where said player is. I'll keep track of where the opposing center is relative to the hoop but I'll normally have myself available for help defense.

Anyway, I'm asking because I recently got called out for doing this. The person i was playing quit 10secs for I would have gotten the win (hate it when they do that!) and he sent me a message later saying how cheap that tactic was...

What do you guys think?

I don't believe it is ham or cheese. Supporting arguments from both sides make sense, but I'll say this:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

If playing on-ball defense causes you to get beat by your opponents religiously, then do something else. If the gamer's on-ball defensive skills are lacking, the gamer should find something that allows him to be competitive. So be it if he/she plays off-ball defense. So be it if he/she chooses to play the center spot. So be it if he/she chooses to play ball avoidance defense.

If that gamer continues to strap on the off-ball defensive tactic belt, supporters for on-ball defensive gamers simply need to adapt. Swing the ball around to the open man. Dish the ball down in the post. Even if there are no online indicators that pinpoints which position player the human opponent is using, adapt to the situation.

The human is bound to be one of the five position players. On-ball defensive gamers need to swing the ball around and hopefully find the human controlled player. On-ball defense is his/her weakness, attack his/her weakness. Instead of using isomotions to humiliate the human opponent at the perimeter, adapt to the situation. The argument of on-ball defensive gamers wanting to challenge the human rather than the cpu is understandable, but shaky nonetheless. Learn to adapt. It is absolutely possible to challenge the human that plays off-ball defense. To reiterate, the human is bound to be one of the five position players.

(Note: Offline gamer here)


Edit: To add. My assumption: One of the strength of on-ball defensive gamers is likely isomotion humiliations. Requiring off-ball defensive gamers to play on-ball defense, and the competition would favor the strength of on-ball defensive gamers. The on-ball defensive gamer now has the advantage. Key, adapt to the situation.

[doubleR10]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Off ball D just leads to a slippery slope very quickly...

sure, your intentions may by SIM...but the temptation will always be there to see how far you can stretch it, since there is no punishment for gambling with a off ball big man.

This is not cheese and but I don't think there is a such thing anyway. The great thing about playing REAL basketball (not video games) is making adjustments to your opponent. I played ball at a pro level so I understand this. What I like about playing online is you will face different styles of gamers and you have to make adjustments. But most just whine and cry on this site about what they can't do instead of learning how to adjust. learn to play basketball. This is the most realistic game ever made. There are a lot of things people are complaining about that are a part of REAL basketball.

[AMYO]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

How is that cheesin?...its basketball startegy if the center comes out to cover more floor somebodies gonna be open they can easily pass the ball instead of forcin the ball inside with the pg

[JWiLL02]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

It's not cheese to control a help defender when the offensive player in question is a guy who is essentially impossible to stop one on one. Rose is rarely stopped by his own man, help is required when that guy decides to put his head down and get to the basket in real life.

Unfortunately, when you play a Bulls user online the majority have Rose deciding to put his head down and attack the basket every single possession, so what does the guy expect? He was just upset he lost. Don't worry about it and move on.

Now, if you ALWAYS do that no matter what the situation, then yes, you're a weak player (still not necessarily cheese, but it's lame).

There's people who just refuse to play on ball defense, and will always switch off the second you pass it to their man. It was amusing in previous games where you could see who they had on defense, the second you passed the ball you'd see the circle switch to the man furthest from the ball. Those 'switcher offers' were hilarious, and never good enough to keep up anyway.

[bichettehappens]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I wouldn't consider it cheese, since there's some latency online it's difficult to stay in front of a guy just because even if you react as quick as you can there's a good chance that's already too late. With that said I mostly play on-ball defense but switch it up sometimes depending on the situation

[BlackCloudDoggy]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Definitely not cheese. Cheese is when you use a glitch or something and constantly exploit it. If a guy is playing off ball with a big man, you get to the paint and involve him in the play. Make him play defense, someones going to obviously be open.

It's not like it's some unfair advantage or guys who play off ball can't be beat. In my experience playing b ball games the guys who play on ball defense are generally better than those who play off ball defense exclusively anyways.