Early 2k12 Player Ratings

[abjsuperstar]

Re: Early 2k12 Player Ratings

1) i LOVE that 2K understands ratings for the most part. the NBA MVP was rated a 91 (and killed people @ that rating) again--loved it.

You rate Kobe higher than wade at this stage? if Bron's a 97 then Wade is a 96/97 no?

Dirk was an 85 last year and killed people at that rating. 90. those other guys arent necessarily better than him, just more well-rounded.

Rondo fell to an 87 last year. i dont think the freefall is over. 85 (alot of holes in his game)

Blake Griffin - I was shocked 2K succumbed to the hype and gave him an 85 last year. he's a great finisher/rebounder but not much else--yet. you can pack all of that into an 80 i'm thinking. 22/12 as a rook is crazy tho.

Rose was fine as a 91. why raise his rating until he does something new, adds something to his game? we dont want to turn into inflated ratings Madden when even solid players are a 90 overall.

Wall was a 76 last year, that a good rating until he turns the corner.

Love's 20/10 is nice, but he plays for one of the worst teams in the league. 78.

k love was over 80 in 2k11 why would he be 78 makes no sense

[ManhattanBeachLakers]

Re: Early 2k12 Player Ratings

My predictions for the top 3 players at each position:

PG's:

- Chris Paul 94: Couple possibly be a bit higher to 95/96 range. Amazing at every aspect in the game, 98 passer and possibly 99 offensive awareness.

- Derrick Rose 93: Amazing ball handling, offensive awareness, speed and quickness. Average 3 point shooter (70 ish) with a solid mid range and amazing close/inside shot rating. I think a 93 sounds about right for him.

- Rajon Rondo 89: Not sure if Deron Williams will be in the game or not, but I assume he isn't because he's playing in Turkey. Rondo is amazing at every aspect other than mid range, 3 point, and free throw shooting. Should have 99 defensive awareness and 99 steals. Williams would probably be 92 ish if he's in the game.

SG's:

- Kobe Bryant 95. Only dunking, quickness, and defensive awareness should decrease a tiny bit. Still an outstanding shooter with a high offensive awareness. Clutch should be 99 easily.

- Dwyane Wade 95: Possibly the exact same ratings as last season, only thing that might drop is 3 point percentage or quickness. Still an amazing player.

- Manu Ginobili 87: Great scorer, amazing offensive awareness. Solid in every aspect, easily the 3rd best SG.

SF's:

- LeBron James 96. Still the best overall player in the game, shooting and clutch might decrease a bit but still awesome in all aspects.

- Kevin Durant 91. Amazing scorer, but his average defensive abilities will drop him to 90/91 ish.

- Carmelo Anthony 91. Could be a bit higher, but 91 seems a bit right for Carmelo. Awesome scorer, isn't anything special on defense though.

PF's:

- Amare Stoudamire 89. Great scorer for a PF. Can shoot, dunk, hit free throws, can do it all offensively. Rebounding is a problem for him and his defense stinks. Could be a 95 overall if he was good on defense. Either way, 89 seems about right.

- Pau Gasol 88. Was a 89 last season, but stunk at the end of the year and his defense sucked as well. Still has great post moves and great offensive awareness, but his defense may drop a bit.

- Blake Griffin 86. Was a beast last season, will continue to be a beast the rest of his career. Great athleticism, solid defense, 99 dunking ability seems right. Needs work on his free throws though.

P.S. Anyone who thinks Dirk is higher than a 85 is nuts. He's good at one thing: shooting. That's it. Can't rebound, play D, or pass.

C's:

- Dwight Howard 93. Was a complete beast last year, easily the best Center in the game. 99 blocks and 99 O and D rebounds seems right for him. Stinks in the post though but everything else makes up for it.

- Andrew Bogut 85. Awesome defensive center, can rebound and has a solid post game. Very underrated for a 1st overall pick selection.

- Andrew Bynum 83. Great in the post, solid blocks and rebounder. Can hit free throws and even has a respectable mid range jumper.

[DutchMastah7]

Re: Early 2k12 Player Ratings

My predictions for the top 3 players at each position:

PG's:

- Chris Paul 94: Couple possibly be a bit higher to 95/96 range. Amazing at every aspect in the game, 98 passer and possibly 99 offensive awareness.

- Derrick Rose 93: Amazing ball handling, offensive awareness, speed and quickness. Average 3 point shooter (70 ish) with a solid mid range and amazing close/inside shot rating. I think a 93 sounds about right for him.

- Rajon Rondo 89: Not sure if Deron Williams will be in the game or not, but I assume he isn't because he's playing in Turkey. Rondo is amazing at every aspect other than mid range, 3 point, and free throw shooting. Should have 99 defensive awareness and 99 steals. Williams would probably be 92 ish if he's in the game.

SG's:

- Kobe Bryant 95. Only dunking, quickness, and defensive awareness should decrease a tiny bit. Still an outstanding shooter with a high offensive awareness. Clutch should be 99 easily.

- Dwyane Wade 95: Possibly the exact same ratings as last season, only thing that might drop is 3 point percentage or quickness. Still an amazing player.

- Manu Ginobili 87: Great scorer, amazing offensive awareness. Solid in every aspect, easily the 3rd best SG.

SF's:

- LeBron James 96. Still the best overall player in the game, shooting and clutch might decrease a bit but still awesome in all aspects.

- Kevin Durant 91. Amazing scorer, but his average defensive abilities will drop him to 90/91 ish.

- Carmelo Anthony 91. Could be a bit higher, but 91 seems a bit right for Carmelo. Awesome scorer, isn't anything special on defense though.

PF's:

- Amare Stoudamire 89. Great scorer for a PF. Can shoot, dunk, hit free throws, can do it all offensively. Rebounding is a problem for him and his defense stinks. Could be a 95 overall if he was good on defense. Either way, 89 seems about right.

- Pau Gasol 88. Was a 89 last season, but stunk at the end of the year and his defense sucked as well. Still has great post moves and great offensive awareness, but his defense may drop a bit.

- Blake Griffin 86. Was a beast last season, will continue to be a beast the rest of his career. Great athleticism, solid defense, 99 dunking ability seems right. Needs work on his free throws though.

P.S. Anyone who thinks Dirk is higher than a 85 is nuts. He's good at one thing: shooting. That's it. Can't rebound, play D, or pass.

C's:

- Dwight Howard 93. Was a complete beast last year, easily the best Center in the game. 99 blocks and 99 O and D rebounds seems right for him. Stinks in the post though but everything else makes up for it.

- Andrew Bogut 85. Awesome defensive center, can rebound and has a solid post game. Very underrated for a 1st overall pick selection.

- Andrew Bynum 83. Great in the post, solid blocks and rebounder. Can hit free throws and even has a respectable mid range jumper.

Whaaa? Deron Williams will most certainly be in the game. Like most guys who signed overseas, he has an opt-out clause in his contract for when the lockout ends. Guys like Wilson Chandler and JR Smith however, will probably be taken off the roster when the first update is made since they signed in China. Chinese teams aren't allowing NBA players to opt out.

And what you said about Dirk, ...... He can do more than simply just shoot. He can create his own shot. He's actually a decent defender. About average. And for someone his size he's a pretty decent passer too.

[cuad]

Re: Early 2k12 Player Ratings

Except for the dunk ratings, these ratings are based on good approximations of 2K's official formulas using stats from the 2010-11 regular season. The heights come from draft express and/or photo evidence.

2011-12 Sacramento Kings


SHOT 3PT: y = 0.0002x3 - 0.0433x2 + 3.5572x - 3.3963 , x = 3PT FG% , r^2 = 0.928
BLOCK: y = 12.4x + 25 , x = BLK% , r^2 = 0.9992
STEAL: y = 1.1028x^4 - 10.462x^3 + 29.085x^2 - 2.467x + 24.722 , x = STL% , r^2 = 0.9959
OFFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.0209x^3 + 0.3488x^2 + 4.6919x + 20.538 , x = ORB% , r^2 = 0.9982
DEFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.004x^3 + 0.181x^2 + 0.9937x + 15.148 , x = DRB% , r^2 = 0.9975

[OGKing]

Kobe Bryant Rating

Guys, with 2k a few days away from us, what do you think Afro Kobe rating will be? Would 85 be accurate?

[The Bad Man]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

ratings ratings ratings

[OGKing]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

ratings ratings ratings

Don't come in my thread if you don't have anything to say that relates to my original post.

[brennonyo]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

I honestly think 2K got it right, a 93-95 seems good for him and lebrons 98 is right, his all round game dominates everyone elses in the league.

[The Bad Man]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

i dunno. i thought im just a little fed up with similar threads. you already had a thread that talks about player ratings why not just add to there instead of making a new one thats essentially the same talking about a certain player's rating?

[qpc123]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

Bottom line is you can debate what the ratings will be or should be until the cows come home and it won't make any difference. Everyone will have different opinion but none of those will the be the same as whomever does the ratings at 2k. It's really just a pointless debate at this time since you don't know what the afro-kobe will be rated, but please continue to spit into the wind and tell yourself it's raining.

Also most people would consider 19 days more than a few.

[cuad]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

2000-01 Afro Kobe Bryant:

3PT: 70
FT: 85
BLK: 39
STL: 72
ORB: 46
DRB: 46

2k has formulas based on stats for most of their ratings, but they don't use them on every player or every year. Here are approximations for a few:

SHOT 3PT: y = 0.0002x^3 - 0.0433x^2 + 3.5572x - 3.3963 , x = 3PT FG% , r^2 = 0.928
FREE THROW: FT%
BLOCK: y = 12.4x + 25 , x = BLK% , r^2 = 0.9992
STEAL: y = 1.1028x^4 - 10.462x^3 + 29.085x^2 - 2.467x + 24.722 , x = STL% , r^2 = 0.9959
OFFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.0209x^3 + 0.3488x^2 + 4.6919x + 20.538 , x = ORB% , r^2 = 0.9982
DEFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.004x^3 + 0.181x^2 + 0.9937x + 15.148 , x = DRB% , r^2 = 0.9975

[qpc123]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

2k does not rate players by opinion. They use formulas based on stats. I've come up with approximations for a few. They are:

SHOT 3PT: y = 0.0002x3 - 0.0433x2 + 3.5572x - 3.3963 , x = 3PT FG% , r^2 = 0.928
BLOCK: y = 12.4x + 25 , x = BLK% , r^2 = 0.9992
STEAL: y = 1.1028x^4 - 10.462x^3 + 29.085x^2 - 2.467x + 24.722 , x = STL% , r^2 = 0.9959
OFFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.0209x^3 + 0.3488x^2 + 4.6919x + 20.538 , x = ORB% , r^2 = 0.9982
DEFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.004x^3 + 0.181x^2 + 0.9937x + 15.148 , x = DRB% , r^2 = 0.9975

Get your advanced stats at http://www.basketball-reference.com.

2000-01 Kobe:

3PT: 70
BLK: 39
STL: 72
ORB: 46
DRB: 46

So what stats do they use for offensive and defensive awareness? You are right there are formulas but not for every attribute that 2k gives the players some are based on the opinion on whoever is in charge of the ratings.

[The Bad Man]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

2k does not rate players by opinion. They use formulas based on stats. I've come up with approximations for a few. They are:

SHOT 3PT: y = 0.0002x3 - 0.0433x2 + 3.5572x - 3.3963 , x = 3PT FG% , r^2 = 0.928
BLOCK: y = 12.4x + 25 , x = BLK% , r^2 = 0.9992
STEAL: y = 1.1028x^4 - 10.462x^3 + 29.085x^2 - 2.467x + 24.722 , x = STL% , r^2 = 0.9959
OFFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.0209x^3 + 0.3488x^2 + 4.6919x + 20.538 , x = ORB% , r^2 = 0.9982
DEFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.004x^3 + 0.181x^2 + 0.9937x + 15.148 , x = DRB% , r^2 = 0.9975

Get your advanced stats at http://www.basketball-reference.com.

2000-01 Kobe:

3PT: 70
BLK: 39
STL: 72
ORB: 46
DRB: 46

...and here we go again.

[Xx Qontrolz xX]

Re: Kobe Bryant Rating

SHOT 3PT: y = 0.0002x3 - 0.0433x2 + 3.5572x - 3.3963 , x = 3PT FG% , r^2 = 0.928
FREE THROW: FT%
BLOCK: y = 12.4x + 25 , x = BLK% , r^2 = 0.9992
STEAL: y = 1.1028x^4 - 10.462x^3 + 29.085x^2 - 2.467x + 24.722 , x = STL% , r^2 = 0.9959
OFFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.0209x^3 + 0.3488x^2 + 4.6919x + 20.538 , x = ORB% , r^2 = 0.9982
DEFENSE REBOUND: y = -0.004x^3 + 0.181x^2 + 0.9937x + 15.148 , x = DRB% , r^2 = 0.9975

[deepellum]

Re: Early 2k12 Player Ratings

lol@all the dirk haters still not giving the man props. All this talk about him only being a shooter or being a bad defender is bull****

(see NBAPLAYBOOk . com's postplay rankings. OS won't let me post links.)

NBA Playbook utilizing statistical analysis ascertaining Nowitzki as the top post player in the league.

Some ******* critiqued Dirk as not being an adequate passer. Dirk faces numerous double teams, has one of the highest usage rate in the NBA, and still posts remarkably few turnovers when passing out of the DT. His ability to pass out of DT's was developed after the GS series but yall can keep hating if you want

He's at worse an average defender. Phil Jackson is on record calling him 'physical defender,' insinuating that the reason Pau's game was so off was because of Dirk's defense. And for the record, before you attribute Pau's weak performance to him being checked by Chandler, do note that it was Bynum who Chandler guarded. Additionally, go back a few years to 2006 when Pau vs Dirk first happened in the post season. Pau shot the lowest field goal percentage he had ever shot in the playoffs.. until 2011 when he faced Dirk again. I'm not saying he's anywhere near the league of Hakeem or Duncan when it comes to defense, but he's far from a 'bad' defender.

Lastly, Dirk is not a prolific offensive rebounder. The best offensive rebounder but is a superb defensive one. Many of the sets the Maverick's run start him on the elbow and allow him to make a move closer to the basket if he so chooses. Upon releasing his shot, Dirk typically runs back to the other side of the court without going for a rebound. This explains the vast discrepancy when it comes to his offensive vs defensive rebounding


All that said, I've been a proponent of Nowitzki being rated higher than any other PF in the game this year. In years past, KG and Duncan were clearly more well-rounded players, but with their obvious decline, Dirk is in a class all his own when it comes to PFs. His playoff performance is reminiscent of Hakeem's more than a decade ago -- lead a pack of moderately-to-good players to a title.. think about it this way: Dirk's 2nd option is Jason Terry. On the Lakers, JET would at best be a fourth option. On the Heat, he would at best be a 4th option. On the Thunder, he would at best be a fourth option. On the Celtics, he would at best be a fourth option.



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