NBA 2K12 Developer Insight #4 - Playcall System

[Da_Czar]

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But they atleast kno that we all really want playbooks to be saved for online so there is hope right?

There is definite hope. They didn't say hell no that's stupid... LOL I can't say anymore than that but last year you had to hope they even knew about it. This year at least I am telling you they know and they know it's important. If it isn't in then there is a reason. And that reason is not that they don't think it's important.

[Sam Marlowe]

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I wouldn't qualify them as cheesers. To me, a cheeser relies on the same tactic literally every single play down the court. If a person is legitimately using a variety of strategies against you and he just so happens to do a move you feel is cheese, I would fault the game in that instance. The problem I had with 2K11 was the lack of a proper collision system, making exploitable moves possible despite the best defensive efforts. The new collision system should prevent most, if not all, of the cheese moves I encountered online.

I would. To higher degree even. If a guy starts out legit and begins relying on glitches to get a win he's worse than your average cheeser in my book. At least most of those guys just don't know better. The guy that's being described here is being deliberately devious.

[Vast]

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Fantastic insight. Can't wait for this game.

Great Insight but if we can't save plays online this feature won't be of use for me. I only play online so I will be highly disapointed if we can't. I refuse to continue to take alomost 3 mins to set plays every single game like i've done before. Saving plays online will make life so much easier and allow me to use these new features.

Whats wrong with using the tons of plays that are assigned to your players?? Theres no need to change your playbook unless you're playing in the Association and you've changed players and schemes. and even then you might not have to.

[Control-X]

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I have a feeling that this is going to be the best playcalling system for an NBA 2K game yet.

[shmitty]

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This is finally turning into a thinking man's game, I've been waiting for this day to come. The graphics are always improving and the control looks promising, but now it looks like "Bball IQ" is finally getting some attention. Oh happy day....

[GSWarriors9]

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Fantastic insight. Can't wait for this game.



Whats wrong with using the tons of plays that are assigned to your players?? Theres no need to change your playbook unless you're playing in the Association and you've changed players and schemes. and even then you might not have to.

Oh i will use the default plays in 2k12 if we can't save them ourselves. I used Golden State's default plays in 2k11 alot but the problem was there are only a few plays that are actually effective. Being able to make sure every single play is effective would make life so much easier online and fun as you can customize them to you liking.

[aglenn1695]

Wooooo!!!! Let's GO!! Now I'm Hyped

[thugnificant]

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It's an offensive strategy because it's easier to initiate a fastbreak? Fastbreak=points=offense?

but notice no defense counter to "leak out" this will be the new cheese move in 2k12. full court passes to leaking players being called "fast breaks"

[ggsimmonds]

My jaw was dropped as I read this. Excellent work 2K.

[guesswhozbak17]

I understand where you are coming from as I was confused when I first read this too, but if you think outside the box a little bit you will see the brilliance in this. In most team sports things you do on one side of the ball will have an effect on the other. Take the heat for example; when they were at there best last year, it was when they were creating pressure with there defense to create fast break opportunities. Therefore you could say that they were set to def strategy: create pressure and off strategy: leak out. To counter this strategy you would need to slow the pace down, move the ball, take good shots, and crash the boards to neutralize the break. (ala the Dallas mavericks)

The brilliance comes in because if you pick leak out, then you won't be able to pick another offensive strategy because the slot is taken. So theoretically you may struggle in half court sets if your opponent is making their shots. (ala Miami heat) Hopefuly this will lead to some great chess matches but I think it will be harder to stop dominant players if used correctly.(which is probably how it should be)

I hardly ever post but this insight has me so excited I couldn't contain myself. All sports game developers need to stop and take note on what 2k has been doing for the past couple years. You dont need gimmicks or "features" to sell a game. Sports are good enough on their own, just make the game as true to the sport as possible and they will come. 2k clearly "gets it".

Can't wait for 10-4

I really don't want to be sharing any ideas but I'm almost sure that if the "Leak Out" is more effective than the other strategies, the typical player will have the "Leak Out" set which will give him the advantage of starting a fast break and IF you somehow stop the fast break and they retain possession, they will simply switch from "Leak Out" to another option being that they still have the ball.

"slowING the pace down, movING the ball, takING good shots," as you said are all things you as the user have to do, it's not a strategy you can set. That's why I was pointing it out.

I am also assuming there are more fast break "OPPORTUNITIES" than half court sets with the "Leak Out" option. This is all an assumption being that I don't have the game, just an educated guess based on the information provide.

[guesswhozbak17]

but notice no defense counter to "leak out" this will be the new cheese move in 2k12. full court passes to leaking players being called "fast breaks"

Exactly what I've been trying to state. "Leak Out" MAY work, but it MIGHT lead to abuse...all the other strategies seem like they can be stopped in a balanced way except for that one...just my two cents.

[BDM313]

Tears......Cant wait

[KGDunks]

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Inbounds plays are finally fixed hopefully Please give us the ability to practise them in the gym 2k

[stillfeelme]

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To all the people worried about what from the playbook saves online lets take a wait and see approach. It may not be as bad as what you think if everything does not transform 100% online.

Positive:

• As long as your player has the right play types already selected then you should have access to all of those play types. They didn't exactly say there were default play types assigned to players already but I kind of figure that they have to be since they mentioned players keeping play types when they are traded. So in a sense your playbook say for one of your players will be expanded to all of those types so you wouldn't have to change each time you go online.

Negative:

• If you wanted to setup a random offense and wanted to adjust the weighting factor then you would have to set this up each and every time if you can't save your playbooks to use online. Seems pretty minor to me
• If you wanted to setup specific quick plays than the default ones. Well you may be out of luck here if you can't save online. At the end you may end up having to set these up. This may be major to some if they don't like the default quick plays. Example if they are playing as the Knicks and they wanted say a post up Melo and post up Stat and that wasn't default quick play.

To me personally these this would not be that big of deal but to some it may be.

[Mos1ted]

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but notice no defense counter to "leak out" this will be the new cheese move in 2k12. full court passes to leaking players being called "fast breaks"

That remains to be seen in my opinion. I was very successful at initiating the fast break in 2K11 with a team like the Wizards, but to counter, all that was necessary was a commitment from the other team to get back down court following a missed shot. If a team selects leak out, just make sure your defense doesn't choose to crash the boards.