NBA 2K12 Developer Insight #9 - Defense

[Goffs]

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The only part I didn't like reading was that playing on ball defense is a must now as it will effect the offense shot. YES! I PLAY OFF BALL D! I like playing as the center because I just like going for the blocks...

Need the demo to get the feel on how well the movement is for the defense...

[Colts18]

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Perhaps the On Ball Defense rating will play a role in how effective contests are, so that not everybody will be equally good at contesting shots even if you hold LT or raise your arms all day long.

If I had to bet on it the defensive awareness rating would regulate that. As well as height.

[Pared]

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This whole great write up on improvements and the first thing you do is point out something you consider a negative. I wouldn't make this a big deal if you hadn't been doing this consistently the past week concerning this game. I'd be more interested to hear what you like first then your dislikes. I do respect your opinion though as that's what keeps the developers on there feet and helps the game to improve every year.

I guess because it was what I was looking forward to specifically - Like I said, it's been over 2 years in the making for this feature.

sounds like it has returned to how it was 2k7 (and I think) 2k8....which I for one, welcome. Got tired of being in front of a shooter and it not registering as a contest. No defender just stands in front of a shooter w/o at least getting a hand up lol

That's a fair point, but the one in 2k7 was (edit: mostly) visual.

I agree... Pared whats up bro why all the negativity this year?

Ha - I'm simply focused on specific points that I would like to see improved. Tunnel vision so to speak. To see specific things not be implemented a certain way is frustrating, now moreso than ever.

While it may see as if I'm glossing over the improvements, those that have been here long enough know they are appreciated. It may not come off that way in the forum as of late - but again, tunnel vision.

I think it said only if you are in hands up mode will it auto-contest. And if you want to leave the ground (ie. actually trying to block the shot instead of just contesting) you have to hit Y. So unless I read it wrong, I wouldn't really say its "automated"...the user has to be doing something for it to happen.

We have been discussing how this should work for a few years now - it should be user controlled, in the sense the user can manually challenge a shot with one hand without leaving their feet.

I still think I am reading it incorrectly or misunderstanding it; It seems as if you can just move around with your hands up and have the defender auto-contest.

[secondcity t]

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RIP cheese



now all that crying n such is over wit lol

this insight to me has been the best news

You say that now. Give it about 2-3 weeks after release and 1. People will think the game is too difficult ala 2K8 and 2K11 and they'll dumb it down or 2. Some tactic that's impossible to defend will be exposed.

That being said, doubling on drives, hedging and how to defend screens is huge. I could kill people who won't change defensive settings because screens and pindowns are a huge part of my offense.

[Colts18]

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It seems like it is manually automatic. Which makes it automatic. It should be 100% manual.

Tap Y = Hands up
Hold Y = Hands up + Jump

Tap Y + RT = Two hands up
Hold Y + YT = Swat Attempt

[shmitty]

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I see what pared is saying, it would be nice if it was more about anticipation and quick reaction than just holding down LT or hands up whenever ur in the paint. Alteast have more of a risk/reward depending on how u time it...def on the right track tho, love what theyve shown us so far.

I just hope that it is actually balanced and has room for diff outcomes, sometimes you make difficult shots that are perfectly defended and sometimes you miss seemingly easy shots. For example the wrap up foul- players like D howard and Lebron r strong enough to finish even when u try to wrap them up. So the wrap up animation shouldnt be the end all be all. Im just tired of seeing the beginning of an animation and already knowing wut the outcome will be. Maybe thats wut they mean by more branching. Either way Im looking forward to the game.

[Colts18]

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You say that now. Give it about 2-3 weeks after release and 1. People will think the game is too difficult ala 2K8 and 2K11 and they'll dumb it down or 2. Some tactic that's impossible to defend will be exposed.

Yep, just like 2K11 did with the passes last year. It was fine before the patch then too many people cried and 2K gave in. I know it will happen again this year. I just know it.

[Colts18]

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For example the wrap up foul- players like D howard and Lebron r strong enough to finish even when u try to wrap them up. So the wrap up animation shouldnt be the end all be all. Im just tired of seeing the beginning of an animation and already knowing wut the outcome will be. Maybe thats wut they mean by more branching. Either way Im looking forward to the game.

It should be based on fatigue, physical momentum, strength rating

[younggrease]

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The only part I didn't like reading was that playing on ball defense is a must now as it will effect the offense shot. YES! I PLAY OFF BALL D! I like playing as the center because I just like going for the blocks...

Need the demo to get the feel on how well the movement is for the defense...

you can always switch to the center to get blocks. But yeah, guess we should wait til the demo or game drops to decides.

The defense sounds great to me.

[blues rocker]

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this insight is the best one by far...HOLY....thy literally fixed EVERY SINGLE issue from 2k11's defense...the depth of control in 2k12 is simply the best I've ever heard of in any video game...you can literally perform any type of motion or action that you can possibly think of.

they FINALLY shifted the balance...now defenders actually have the proper tools to stop the ball handler (in terms of speed and actions you can perform).

i like the auto contest....because it's not truly an "auto" contest - you can control it with the left trigger or right stick...

[Toaster]

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The only part I didn't like reading was that playing on ball defense is a must now as it will effect the offense shot. YES! I PLAY OFF BALL D! I like playing as the center because I just like going for the blocks...

Need the demo to get the feel on how well the movement is for the defense...

I am also very partial towards this. I think the game (especially offline) should allow us to play defense any way we see fit. I am not much for artificial bonuses\penalties.

[Pared]

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It seems like it is manually automatic. Which makes it automatic. It should be 100% manual.

Tap Y = Hands up
Hold Y = Hands up + Jump

Tap Y + RT = Two hands up
Hold Y + YT = Swat Attempt

This won't work due to the new controls.

And it shouldn't be automatic - you have to account for people of all skill levels.

The problem is the "hands up" part is also automatic, based on vicinity to the shooter. It should be user controlled if they flick to the defender with the RS after they begin their shot. It makes sense the tight defense is automatic, but not if you are closing in on a shooter - you have run with your hands up to have it trigger.

More involvement by the user - my entire point. It's EVERYWHERE this year... except this one little area.

[blues rocker]

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Hey Pared...chill...the "auto contest" is not really "automatic"....you control it by pressing the left trigger or right stick.

[Pared]

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I see what pared is saying, it would be nice if it was more about anticipation and quick reaction than just holding down LT or hands up whenever ur in the paint. Alteast have more of a risk/reward depending on how u time it...def on the right track tho, love what theyve shown us so far.

EXACTLY.

Hey Pared...chill...the "auto contest" is not really "automatic"....you control it by pressing the left trigger or right stick.

It is - that's not user controlled.

To the same extent, that's like moving your player around on offense and having the CPU shoot when you're open.

It needs to be completely user dependent IN ADDITION to the auto-contest.

Either way - we should have word on how it works soon. The way this is now, if the shooter pumpfakes, you would never bite - because it is done by you just holding either of those inputs.

[Colts18]

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Hey Pared...chill...the "auto contest" is not really "automatic"....you control it by pressing the left trigger or right stick.

^ But it is automatic. It can't be done by the user if he is controlling a defender that isn't guarding the ball handler. That is not 100% control. That is what his issue is.

That is almost as bad as having a post up button but not being able to post up around the perimeter, ala Magic and GP.

So I feel his pain.