NBA 2k12 Ratings Reasonable Explanation

[2slik]

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Im fine with Kobe being behind Dirk at top 3 all time. He's an average 3pt shooter but when its crunch time, that 3 ball is going in one way or another. And I agree about the all time shooter, he's more of an all time scorer.

I these ratings make absolutely no sense all over the board. You cannot always look at the stats. I shoot and miss 100 shots with a man in face and I make 40 str8 wide open. I wouldn't be surprised if someone scored 40 pts online with one of those nobodys with 90 midrange.

So what would you base it off?

[stlpimpmonsta]

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people going crazy over ratings they have no idea how they are implemented in the game...........................

Thats a 2k forums thing not a OS thing.lol what happened?

[Notorious Arab]

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So what would you base it off?

Dont see whats so funny about that. I guess u havent really watched the NBA. Anyway I really hate stats. This is why:

To say that Kobe deserves a 78 in mid range is absurd and sounds like ur a *****. If u think stats are a way to judge a player then u can just turn off ur PC now and go bash ur head against the wall. Bashing ur head against a wall has the same logic as saying stats judge players. There is so much more to the game that stats don't measure. Stats definitely don't measure ability. Kobe's ability to hit the mid range shot is as deadly as anyone in history behind MJ. Now there's a difference between a contested mid range shot and a wide open one. Kobe takes mostly contested ones, hence his low percentage. Now if u were to put Kobe Bryant and JR Smith, alone, in a gym, with no one to distract them, tell them to shoot 100 mid range shots. I bet my life that Kobe Bryant will win that one every single time. Now put Dirk in there and he will definitely challenge Kobe. Thats ability, my friends and thats how 2k should count their ratings.

[2slik]

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Dont see whats so funny about that. I guess u havent really watched the NBA. Anyway I really hate stats. This is why:

That tells me all I need to know about you.

[SdotThaDon]

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Still don't see how so many grand opinions can be formed without knowing how the ratings work.... Some of you should wait until you play the game, and when you do: play it with some sense. I'm sure everything will play out the way it should. I'd love to see you guys trying to beast with bench scrubs, IT WILL NOT WORK.

Dont see whats so funny about that. I guess u havent really watched the NBA. Anyway I really hate stats. This is why:

To say that Kobe deserves a 78 in mid range is absurd and sounds like ur a *****. If u think stats are a way to judge a player then u can just turn off ur PC now and go bash ur head against the wall. Bashing ur head against a wall has the same logic as saying stats judge players. There is so much more to the game that stats don't measure. Stats definitely don't measure ability. Kobe's ability to hit the mid range shot is as deadly as anyone in history behind MJ. Now there's a difference between a contested mid range shot and a wide open one. Kobe takes mostly contested ones, hence his low percentage. Now if u were to put Kobe Bryant and JR Smith, alone, in a gym, with no one to distract them, tell them to shoot 100 mid range shots. I bet my life that Kobe Bryant will win that one every single time. Now put Dirk in there and he will definitely challenge Kobe. Thats ability, my friends and thats how 2k should count their ratings.

But I thought 2k12 was an NBA basketball simulation, not a shoot alone in the gym simulation. The fact that you even gotta take it there proves how weak this argument is....

[Ken North]

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So what would you base it off?

On watching basketball.

Stats are supplementary tools to understanding the game. They are not the blueprint.

But I thought 2k12 was an NBA basketball simulation, not a shoot alone in the gym simulation. The fact that you even gotta take it there proves how weak this argument is....

Actually, no, his argument is perfectly valid.

The game functions by a synergy of different skills. When you take a contested shot your Shot Mid, SiT and SoD are all in play. The best definition of what the Shot Mid skill does alone, is in fact alone in a gym, shooting jumpers. That's what that skill SHOULD do.

And then the contested ones become a synergy between your pure ability and your ability to take a contested shot (SiT).

[Notorious Arab]

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Still don't see how so many grand opinions can be formed without knowing how the ratings work.... Some of you should wait until you play the game, and when you do: play it with some sense. I'm sure everything will play out the way it should. I'd love to see you guys trying to beast with bench scrubs, IT WILL NOT WORK.


But I thought 2k12 was an NBA basketball simulation, not a shoot alone in the gym simulation. the fact that you even gotta take it there proves how weak this argument is....

*** **** it, all u need to understand is that I am talking about ability to hit a shot. Not ******* stats.

[Notorious Arab]

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That tells me all I need to know about you.

That reply tells me how high ur IQ is...

On watching basketball.

Stats are supplementary tools to understanding the game. They are not the blueprint.

Actually, no, his argument is perfectly valid.

The game functions by a synergy of different skills. When you take a contested shot your Shot Mid, SiT and SoD are all in play. The best definition of what the Shot Mid skill does alone, is in fact alone in a gym, shooting jumpers. That's what that skill SHOULD do.

And then the contested ones become a synergy between your pure ability and your ability to take a contested shot (SiT).

I love u Ken North. Finally, somebody with a brain.

[DurtySoufReppin]

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These same people trying to defend these ratings will be the same ones tweaking the ratings after J.R. Smith drops 30 points a game on them and KG is hitting fadeaway jumpers like Dirk Nowitzki with his 93 Mid range rating.

No way I'm playing online with these ratings. J.R. Smith is going to be a GOD with his mid range and dunking.

[JWiLL02]

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Wasnt Jeter getting real backup minns with Sac? I looked it up and he played 62 games at 14 minns a game. Thats a big sample size for a guard. I would agree if he was a big man who went 4 for 8.

Yeah, and he averaged 4 ppg on 40% shooting.

Like I said, I don't care what his numbers from mid range were, giving him the second best mid range rating in the game is flat out absurd. He's going to be an absolutely deadly spot up shooter from mid range, it just doesn't make sense.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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I hate how people are trying to defend this

The ratings are terrible

and from what I saw the shoot off dribble has been removed

So the ratings will be even more terrible.

and to you people saying "wait to play the game"

I bet they will still be terrible when you play.

Serge Ibaka 77 and Randolph a 69 lol

Does this look like a 69 mid range to you?


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There's no way I'm going to be able to hit jumpers in people's face like that with a 69 mid range, and if I can then everybody in the whole game will be able to, and most of them better.

Agree with you right there. Randolph should get a boost for his playoff performance and shot selection.

[DurtySoufReppin]

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Agree with you right there. Randolph should get a boost for his playoff performance and shot selection.

It's funny because his rating was perfect at 79 last year

He puts up an amazing play-off performance and he gets a 10 point decrease

J.R. Smith shoots 36% from the field and scores 9 points a game but gets a huge boost

Tyson Chandler doesn't average a double double but he's an 80 overall.

Marc Gasol puts up 15 and 11 with more blocks and more assists, 73 overall.

Overall doesn't mean everything, but something is off if these overalls are this far apart, because Marc Gasol is a better "overall" center than Tyson Chandler.

Yes Tyson is a better post defender and a slightly better rebounder, but that's it about it. Marc Gasol is superior in almost EVERY other center category.

Not a big deal to me, because it's an easy tweak, but to say these ratings are good is absurd.

Makes a lot of sense

[Ken North]

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I bet they will still be terrible when you play.

Serge Ibaka 77 and Randolph a 69 lol

Does this look like a 69 mid range to you?
There's no way I'm going to be able to hit jumpers in people's face like that with a 69 mid range, and if I can then everybody in the whole game will be able to, and most of them better.

Well, let's be honest here for a sec.

Randolph, last season, shot 32.5% on Spot Up shots, which puts him at 0.7 points per play. That's 333rd in the league. Of a league with approximately 400 players, that's not very impressive.

[SdotThaDon]

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On watching basketball.

Stats are supplementary tools to understanding the game. They are not the blueprint.

I agree, they both work together. If you only base it off what you see, you're just providing an opinion. Opinions are almost always subject to bias.

The game functions by a synergy of different skills. When you take a contested shot your Shot Mid, SiT and SoD are all in play. The best definition of what the Shot Mid skill does alone, is in fact alone in a gym, shooting jumpers. That's what that skill SHOULD do.

And then the contested ones become a synergy between your pure ability and your ability to take a contested shot (SiT).

This makes sense as well, and with all those in play Kobe will be far more effective than any of these parade brand guys they keep crying about. No one posted the other relevant ratings connected to shooting for these other guys....

*** **** it, all u need to understand is that I am talking about ability to hit a shot. Not ******* stats.

Calm down bro. Take a breath. In a sim the only time you'll be taking shots in the context you described is in practice mode. I care about how realistically things play out, I could care less how Kobe or Lebron is rated as long as they can do the things they do during a season. No need for fantasy scenarios, they don't help your argument at all.

[Ken North]

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I agree, they both work together. If you only base it off what you see, you're just providing an opinion. Opinions are almost always subject to bias.

Sure, but so is tunnel visioning on stats. Stats would only be accurate if each player played in a vacuum. They don't.

Someone on RealGM was arguing Steve Nash as the best offensive player, and uses his FG% as an example. But Nash only gets that FG% because he isn't being guarded the same way as a volume scorer is. If Nash suddenly starts taking 20 shots a game, the way he is defended is also going to change a lot.

So just looking at someone's stats and going, oh he rocks, well that doesn't work.

I do like stats though, but I must admit I prefer Synergy Sports over both HoopData and B-Ref, because they do at least to some degree provide a context for the stats. And also video links, so you can actually both look at the stats, and see what happened at the same time.