Too much bumping/holding.

[iLLosophy]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I completely agree.

Except just change "Too much" to "Not enough"

[DukeC]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I have tried not using turbo. It doesn't matter. I've tried doing the off ball controls. I kind of suck at them for one, which is why I'd prefer just running to my spot which I should be able to do. I don't think I should have to do any of these mortal kombat moves to get somewhere on the court. Also, doing those off ball controls isn't as precise as I want.

Hmmm. I know there is a specific offball control that allows you to spin. Go to scrimmage/practice plays/freelance, wherever they let you practice offball controls, and try and see if you can find the spin animation on the offball controls. When you get bumped, try using that animation. Logically, it should work and you should get just enough space to the point where you won't be in danger of being bumped again.

If it doesn't well...yu're probably just going to have to deal with that annoyance

[notque]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

Exactly. Look at Ray Allen trying to run his routes in real life and how physical it gets, constantly getting hung up, bounced off his path, big men throwing their hips into him or stepping in his path, etc. Welcome to basketball.

Yep, the game is physical now, much more so. It's awesome.

The whole game seems harder, which would be a easy to complain about, or you can embrace the additional skill required.

It'll be that much more rewarding when we get it.

[GHOSTFACE03]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

Yep, the game is physical now, much more so. It's awesome.

The whole game seems harder, which would be a easy to complain about, or you can embrace the additional skill required.

It'll be that much more rewarding when we get it.

I disagree, it's not that much about skill. And it's unrealistic the way the contact is implemented, it's overdone. People don't get SUCKED into contact animations or boxing out.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I completely agree.

Except just change "Too much" to "Not enough"

Nah it's about right. The only thing that is lacking is more control over the amount of physicality you can use. I love pushing people down under the rim. That really makes me laugh.

They finally made it hard to rebound.

Plus I have a pretty easy time getting to the spot I want to get to. You just need to figure it out. Basically, something like that is what makes the game great.

-Smak

[ILLSmak]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I disagree, it's not that much about skill. And it's unrealistic the way the contact is implemented, it's overdone. People don't get SUCKED into contact animations or boxing out.

Double Post:

They don't, but if they didn't then it would be easy to just go around them and rebound like last year. Or just post up right under the rim.

Edit: Last year I made a 6'5 SF and I was getting double digit rebounds and like 6 or 7 offensive, easily. So something had to be done.

-Smak

[Boge]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

Plus I have a pretty easy time getting to the spot I want to get to. You just need to figure it out. Basically, something like that is what makes the game great.

-Smak

Yeah? By holding RB and pressing left twice and then holding right? It's a freaking basketball game, not a fighting game. I should be able to just move the left stick in the direction I want to go and go there. Yeah, pressing up, up, down, down, left right left right B A and start should do something more fancy, but I should at least be able to run to a spot on the court without getting a 3 second violation because I'm being held in the paint.

[UMhester04]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I agree the bumping is really annoying..A few of the plays in my player have me running around screens and it literally takes me about 100-15 seconds to get to the spot because I will "run into" the guy thats guarding me about 7 times.

The game of basketball is physical dont get me wrong, but the way it happens in this game is not the way it happens in real life. In this game the same bumping animation happens 6 times in a row with my player moving nowhere and to get around it I have to run all the way around everybody just to get where I need to be for the play to continue.


This is literally the only part of the game that is flawed.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

Yeah? By holding RB and pressing left twice and then holding right? It's a freaking basketball game, not a fighting game. I should be able to just move the left stick in the direction I want to go and go there. Yeah, pressing up, up, down, down, left right left right B A and start should do something more fancy, but I should at least be able to run to a spot on the court without getting a 3 second violation because I'm being held in the paint.

There needs to be an ability to bump people who are driving. That is one flawed physical contact, but what spot are you trying to go to? Who is bumping you?

If it's your man, you should be able to get off of it. You can go the other direction. I think sometimes you can get held, but if you keep playing you will figure out how to get out of the animations. I got a 3 second violation once and it was annoying because I was like I CAN'T GET AWAY. But I think I've got it now.

And if the guy bumping you is someone elses man, hold onto him. That means the guy is going off of his man and is stuck to you.

I love the physicality of basketball. That's my favorite part. Fighting for position, etc. This is such a huge step from last year. They could give you a better 'push off' animation maybe. And maybe a few more fouls for obvious holds, but the actual contact part is spot on. You shouldn't be running right through people or around them.

The thing is, if you are playing against the computer, it is engaging you and bumping you. You see what I mean? It's not that there is some broken system, the computer is choosing to bump you. Not like you are just running and they are running randomly and you get stuck in an animation.

-Smak

[RustyBlue]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I agree this always happens to me when I try to go through the paint off of a screen. The defender keeps bumping me back and I have no control over the player. I have to run out of bounds then come back in just to get across the paint. It would be better if they'd add an animation where you can at least bump them and you still move in the same direction your going in. In this game you bounce off defenders like a (bouncy) wall.

[Boge]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

There needs to be an ability to bump people who are driving. That is one flawed physical contact, but what spot are you trying to go to? Who is bumping you?

If it's your man, you should be able to get off of it. You can go the other direction. I think sometimes you can get held, but if you keep playing you will figure out how to get out of the animations. I got a 3 second violation once and it was annoying because I was like I CAN'T GET AWAY. But I think I've got it now.

And if the guy bumping you is someone elses man, hold onto him. That means the guy is going off of his man and is stuck to you.

I love the physicality of basketball. That's my favorite part. Fighting for position, etc. This is such a huge step from last year. They could give you a better 'push off' animation maybe. And maybe a few more fouls for obvious holds, but the actual contact part is spot on. You shouldn't be running right through people or around them.

The thing is, if you are playing against the computer, it is engaging you and bumping you. You see what I mean? It's not that there is some broken system, the computer is choosing to bump you. Not like you are just running and they are running randomly and you get stuck in an animation.

-Smak

UMhester04 just described it perfectly above you. I have the play diagram showing and I'm trying to run my route off a screen or something. My defender isn't standing directly in my way. There is probably a good foot or two between him and the patch I want to go to. I start moving that way, and I get that suction animation into him as if I just ran into him. It's fine if I'm trying to go right through him, but I'm just trying to go past him and it's making us run into each other yeah, sometimes 6-7 times until the play just doesn't pan out because I'm not in position and my teammate hocks up a crappy 3.

I'm going to try playing a big ma so I'm not running off a ton of screens. I'm sure this will be the only way that MIGHT be playable for me. Totally disappointed.

[ajaxab]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I'll second those who don't like the bumping. If it was non-existent last year, it seems to have gone to the other extreme this year. Playing as a shooting guard and being asked to set a screen in the post is pretty much giving up 12 seconds on the shot clock. I'd be fine with it if certain quality defenders can chuck you as you try to get across the lane, but when every defender can repeatedly get you in the chuck animation, either those plays have to get tossed out or the chucking has to be toned down.

[llcmac]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

It wouldn't bother me as much but often it happens where I fight to get open only to have the CPU take a terribly contested shot or try to pass it through the defender.

Lowering defensive awareness may help. I dunno, the only sliders I can think that would tone it down would be strength, quickness and def awr. Maybe Hustle too, or is that only for loose balls?

Of course messing with sliders could mess the game up in other ways.

[Boge]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

I tried lowering On Ball Defense, Hustle, Strength, and Defensive Awareness to 0, it doesn't help at all.

Playing a big man doesn't help either. Trying to move from the left low post to the right low post, I just get stuck with someone pushing me around.

I'm done with this game.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Too much bumping/holding.

Make a video of this happening if you get a chance.