Why all the hate?

[btownbrawler]

Re: Why all the hate?

i like the fact the cpu goes on crazy runs...and the odd wack shot drops...just like a real game...it happens all the time!!!!....but what i HATE is constantly game after game having the cpu shot 60% and better from deep....its just plain and simple unrealistic....i played oklahoma in the playoffs,game 1 14/26...game 2 17/22....now that pissed me off...durant went 9/9 from deep....nothing i could do...send the double over and it does nothing he would still get the pass off and the open man drains the 3...we need the patch to tone down the bumping and the 3 ball everything else is fine by me!!!!....i would be happy for custom sliders in myplayer...i find it absurd that we are NOT given that option but we get it in association!!!!!!!...i also find that playing on all star sim the cpu goes to the line wayyyyyy more than on default...i dunno why but its true....game 3 okla 21/23 from the charity stripe...warriors went 5/8...nedless to say we got blown out 168-121 in game 2....yea i said 168 lol....10min quarters in allstar sim...they put up 88 points in the first half lolololol...reality check to say the least lol

[RedmanR]

Re: Why all the hate?

I don't think there are many people here who "hate" the game. It's possible to acknowledge that a game has some issues without "hating" it. Some posters take it too personally when legitimate flaws are identified. Fact is, most people here are enjoying the game despite its few flaws - which are rightfully being pointed out and discussed.

I don't hate the game, I'm enjoying it even with the few issues that require patching. I'm sure 2K will address the majority of the legitimate issues as always.

Put it this way, 2ksports forums has a bunch of legit complaints but it's full of hate. Here it's almost like the opposite, legit complaints but often times seems like people act like they work for 2k. Where's the happy medium?

Happy medium. . . you can't have one when immaturity is present. Today many people don't give a sh*t what they say to each other and discussing anything rationally over the internet has become a lost art. There are quite a few here posting who act like they work for EA.

I haven't been posting in a while because I've been trying to learn the game. I honestly I'm playing on all-star and superstar when I've been used to playing on hall of fame, the reason for the complaining is a lot of people want the game to be easy and simple. Another reason is that 2k11 tactics aren't working and they want them to. The game isn't perfect the passing is still terrible, and there are some physic defense moments, and the collision and ball physics is iffy . To me people are frustrated because old stuff doesn't work and everybody on here isn't a sim player and try to come off as such, but complain about things a cheesier would complain about. The game isn't perfect and I think a patch is need for some things but the game is by far better than 2k11.

Bingo

I've been hearing a lot of this as well as reading it here, the complaints of 2K12 being to hard, can't use their old 2K11 tactics and cheesy moves, the play-calling is broken when it's not. Learn the plays so you can call them quicker. If the AI is raining 3's then adjust your sliders. That's what their there for but to bitch about gameplay out the box and not willing to adjust your own sliders is pretty dumb and no it's NOT 2K's fault.

I totally understand there are a few issues that need to be addressed. I'm sure a couple 2K guys pay attention to what's going on here but man. . . lately there have been tons. . . I mean tons of immature nit pick threads being started. Most of the BS would be avoided if people took the time to READ some of the very useful information being posted and adjust the game sliders to suite their taste instead of wanting see every player's dunk packages in one game

Yeah NBA 2K12 is tuff and that's the way it should be. . . just like the NBA so MAN-UP

[btownbrawler]

Re: Why all the hate?

obviously u dont play my player...cuz the sliders are NOT able to be adjusted so we are STUCK with the crap settings,thats what we are losing it over....theres no choice but to play the broken game mode

[2kfanatic]

Re: Why all the hate?

2ksports.com/forums <- you will see what hate really is haha.

[FreshPrince22]

Re: Why all the hate?

the "you're just complaining because you're not awesome at the game like me" stuff is getting tired

[Mr_K]

Re: Why all the hate?

For me? The passing/turnovers, you really don't have any control over your passing.

[Brinkybon]

Re: Why all the hate?

It's not that people aren't enjoying the game (even with my gripes, I can see with a patch or two, the game can be really really solid), but the raining 3s in My Player for example, really kill the gameplay experience. And as people have said, you can't adjust those sliders. This is to speak nothing of the ridiculous trade logic causing teams to churn and burn players like the stock market.

So why the "hate"? I think its because everyone put 2k12 on a pedestal even before it was out, and the fact that the game didn't meet expectations of immediate perfection that people are unhappy. What I will say, however, is between some of the more prominent flaws that are rife at the moment, is that people need to stop brown-nosing 2k so much. I don't care if sliders can fix the 3s and if trade logic can be patched; this is an obvious gameplay issue that is EASY to see, and has no business being in the final release of the game. Saying "they'll patch it" isn't an excuse.

[LouAllDay]

Re: Why all the hate?

Agree with the thread. People have to realize NBA 2k's still a GAME. What y'all expected? This can't be perfect, but it's the best sports gaming simulation ever and I have to respect the job 2k put into this.
There are some issues, and always will be, but c'mon this is a amazing game anyway.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: Why all the hate?

Most of the complaints I've read over could be solved by tweaking the sliders and/or difficulty settings. If the game doesn't play how you would like it to on the default settings and you're taking back NBA 2K12 you're an idiot.

Cannot adjust sliders in online association. Also don't have te option to do a regular online league like last year, where we did have that option. Are these not valid complaints?

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: Why all the hate?

Agree with the thread. People have to realize NBA 2k's still a GAME. What y'all expected? This can't be perfect, but it's the best sports gaming simulation ever and I have to respect the job 2k put into this.
There are some issues, and always will be, but c'mon this is a amazing game anyway.

I at least expected stuff that not only worked right last year, but was the best league mode out there on console gaming, to be left in the game.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Why all the hate?

So why the "hate"? I think its because everyone put 2k12 on a pedestal even before it was out, and the fact that the game didn't meet expectations of immediate perfection that people are unhappy. What I will say, however, is between some of the more prominent flaws that are rife at the moment, is that people need to stop brown-nosing 2k so much. I don't care if sliders can fix the 3s and if trade logic can be patched; this is an obvious gameplay issue that is EASY to see, and has no business being in the final release of the game. Saying "they'll patch it" isn't an excuse.

I feel this is at the heart of a lot of the "hate"; it's similar to people hating on a team because of that team's fans. This sort of indignation that you feel the 3pt issue was easy to see for example - it's not like the issue is that out of whack. Most people that had an issue with high 3pt simply lowered the slider a few points. It's not like the slider needs to be zeroed out or anything. The trade issue from what I understand is primarily in My Player mode; not sure how easy or difficult it is to fix, but in a game full of content I think most people understand that they weren't going to be able to account for everything. From what I've read I don't see a lot of significant issues with the My Player gameplay, contracts, etc. Although I'm sure the problem takes away from the immersion factor. I understand the frustration with online but there's a big difference between completely broken/unplayable and inconsistent performance. And I understand if someone's favorite game mode was dropped.

It's like some of you are really mad at people (like me) supposedly brown-nosing 2K. The game being placed on a pedestal wasn't 2K's doing. People were clamoring for information pre-release on a daily basis. And faulting 2K when they didn't deliver information and keep people in some sort of state of perpetual hype. The past week I've heard some on the angry side make some laughably ridiculous reaches just to criticize the game and/or 2K's effort, when if we were to stand this game up to any other sports game in a line item comparison it'd likely win out most. And have features that most other sports games don't have. Immediate perfection really shouldn't have been the expectation. When the game is viewed as a whole, they got a lot more right than wrong. A LOT more.

[luckeeloo]

Re: Why all the hate?

I feel this is at the heart of a lot of the "hate"; it's similar to people hating on a team because of that team's fans. This sort of indignation that you feel the 3pt issue was easy to see for example - it's not like the issue is that out of whack. Most people that had an issue with high 3pt simply lowered the slider a few points. It's not like the slider needs to be zeroed out or anything. The trade issue from what I understand is primarily in My Player mode; not sure how easy or difficult it is to fix, but in a game full of content I think most people understand that they weren't going to be able to account for everything. From what I've read I don't see a lot of significant issues with the My Player gameplay, contracts, etc. Although I'm sure the problem takes away from the immersion factor. I understand the frustration with online but there's a big difference between completely broken/unplayable and inconsistent performance. And I understand if someone's favorite game mode was dropped.

It's like some of you are really mad at people (like me) supposedly brown-nosing 2K. The game being placed on a pedestal wasn't 2K's doing. People were clamoring for information pre-release on a daily basis. And faulting 2K when they didn't deliver information and keep people in some sort of state of perpetual hype. The past week I've heard some on the angry side make some laughably ridiculous reaches just to criticize the game and/or 2K's effort, when if we were to stand this game up to any other sports game in a line item comparison it'd likely win out most. And have features that most other sports games don't have. Immediate perfection really shouldn't have been the expectation. When the game is viewed as a whole, they got a lot more right than wrong. A LOT more.

Granted, but the main argument from the people who blast the "haters" is that old "this is best basketball game ever". Okay, as compared to what? An older version hailed as the "best basketball game ever"? Just stop that. The product is supposed to improve every year. With this one, the good may outweigh the bad, and that's debatable, but it doesn't mean that the problems aren't there. Legitimate questions and concerns are being raised. And if someone has no faith in the product and took it back, there's nothing "crazy" about that. It's what an intelligent consumer does with products he no longer wants.

[haloofduty]

Re: Why all the hate?

AI rotation logic needs to be changed.

This is ruining association mode for me. Rotation minutes are awful and I'm forced to control all 30 teams with injuries off just so players can have their correct minutes. I always wonder who sits there and test association. I always have to sit there for 3 days correcting things wrong with association. Rotation minutes I cant fix and its very important for a realistic experience. I hope simballer sees this since he loves association.

[Brinkybon]

Re: Why all the hate?

I feel this is at the heart of a lot of the "hate"; it's similar to people hating on a team because of that team's fans. This sort of indignation that you feel the 3pt issue was easy to see for example - it's not like the issue is that out of whack. Most people that had an issue with high 3pt simply lowered the slider a few points. It's not like the slider needs to be zeroed out or anything. The trade issue from what I understand is primarily in My Player mode; not sure how easy or difficult it is to fix, but in a game full of content I think most people understand that they weren't going to be able to account for everything. From what I've read I don't see a lot of significant issues with the My Player gameplay, contracts, etc. Although I'm sure the problem takes away from the immersion factor. I understand the frustration with online but there's a big difference between completely broken/unplayable and inconsistent performance. And I understand if someone's favorite game mode was dropped.

It's like some of you are really mad at people (like me) supposedly brown-nosing 2K. The game being placed on a pedestal wasn't 2K's doing. People were clamoring for information pre-release on a daily basis. And faulting 2K when they didn't deliver information and keep people in some sort of state of perpetual hype. The past week I've heard some on the angry side make some laughably ridiculous reaches just to criticize the game and/or 2K's effort, when if we were to stand this game up to any other sports game in a line item comparison it'd likely win out most. And have features that most other sports games don't have. Immediate perfection really shouldn't have been the expectation. When the game is viewed as a whole, they got a lot more right than wrong. A LOT more.

That's a fair point, with a sort of proxy-hate against the fans, but that isn't what motivates most of my argument. I'm a gamer, across a number of genres, and so I judge 2k and indeed, all sports games on the same scale as any other game I play. For me, it doesn't matter how isolated and easily fixable the problems are, the fact that these issues which are so easily detectable are even in the game suggests a neglect of QA. As a game company, there's really no excuse for letting something that through, and you have to keep them accountable for that.

One thing I think people have to understand is that for all the hate people can throw out, everyone wants a good basketball game. I dislike the brown-nosers, because ultimately they're not helping develop that goal. If there are legitimate complaints (and I agree, not all complaints will be legit), they should be brought into the spotlight and they should be discussed. It's why the whole snarky, condescending attitude towards EA bugs me. I don't give a damn who makes my basketball game, I just want the best one there can be.

[-DaVe-]

Re: Why all the hate?

The game is near perfect as is IMO...
They've added so many things that you can deal with some of the cons..
I know i can I guess some people here can't.

It seems to me ppl are pissed off that 2k made it hard for them to strole to the point and dunk and dunk and dunk some more...