Trouble with dribble penetration

[MrBigShot1]

Re: Trouble with dribble penetration

I have no problem breaking down the D , You need to keep learning how to play. The game has only been out couple of weeks..

He definitely needs some pratice, but breaking down the D in 2k12, like 2k11, is not realistic. The OP has a valid point. The bumping that goes on would be a blocking foul every time in real life, and the explosion from guys like D-Rose, Wade, and MJ with incredible first steps is not only almost non-existent, it's barely any different than an average guard.

I'm not trying to bash 2k, because I believe they are a great company and 2k12 is an excellent game, which I have enjoyed so far and will continue to enjoy. Just pointing out a couple of major flaws that need to be fixed if they want to get closer to a true basketball simulation.

[jersez]

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I have to disagree you can definitively can be explosive. The isomotion is really deep this year, the problem to me is that 2k didn't teach the users everything about the isomotion controls. So just go to practice mode come up with combo's and learn the many launch timings.

[Vni]

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You can also explode out of the hesitation move with a cross, a behind the back or a spin. Try it it's effective. But crossing someone over is still a highlight it doesn't happen everytime. Even Rose's penetration oftenly starts with a pick.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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I have to disagree you can definitively can be explosive. The isomotion is really deep this year, the problem to me is that 2k didn't teach the users everything about the isomotion controls. So just go to practice mode come up with combo's and learn the many launch timings.

In the NBA, you don't have to iso the defender to death to get past him.

[erickonasis]

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Ive had Young Kobe on a One on none break with at least a few few in front of my defnder i hit the turbo and of course the defender catches up and stops the shot. now sometimes i dont even try to go up at the rim without pump faking first

[DukeC]

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In the NBA, you don't have to iso the defender to death to get past him.

Define "getting past" the defender. You mean make them turn completely around? Or just getting a couple of steps on them? If it's a couple of steps, you definitely can do so with D-Rose, Williams, and Paul. All you need to do is a couple of sizeups followed with either a crossover or a hesitation and you have your defender beat.

Of course it always helps to vary your speed and to make sure you get the defender to "bite" on your sizeup. Look at the defenders feet when you do sizeups. If you see him shade or go one way, go the other. Momentum is your friend in this game.

[Blooddiamond4]

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I agree. Defenders unrealistically stay in front of the ball handler at all times.

In the NBA most players can get past the initial defender. The help defense is what really contains scorers.

I lowered cpu on ball defense to 25 and help defense to 100. Plays more realistic in terms of ball handlers having more freedom of movement. The CPU bites a bit too much on pump fakes but its better than crossing over, reversing the ball, great ball movement and still be on the three point line

[Synchromesh]

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I would be interested in seeing some videos of players exploding out of dribble moves, I can't seem to consistently pull it off so any tips are appreciated.

[STLRams]

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It does seem a little more difficult to get past players this year. Will have to try the not using turbo option though. This issue and not being able to beat the cpu defender on 2 on1 and 3 on 1 fastbreaks has been bothering me when playing this game. I may just need to find some sliders to address this.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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Define "getting past" the defender. You mean make them turn completely around? Or just getting a couple of steps on them? If it's a couple of steps, you definitely can do so with D-Rose, Williams, and Paul. All you need to do is a couple of sizeups followed with either a crossover or a hesitation and you have your defender beat.

Of course it always helps to vary your speed and to make sure you get the defender to "bite" on your sizeup. Look at the defenders feet when you do sizeups. If you see him shade or go one way, go the other. Momentum is your friend in this game.

I'm saying, in the NBA, you can just explode out of the triple threat with no sizeups or dribble moves at all. Sometimes you'll get stopped like this, but quicker players can get past their man in this manner relatively often.

[jersez]

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In the NBA, you don't have to iso the defender to death to get past him.

Huh??? I don't understand what you are saying, but I was talking to the op. Getting to the rim isn't hard if you know how to properly use isomotion. Also getting to the rim every-time and dunking is pretty unrealistic, use momentum shots and step back shots, this is not 2k11 so stop trying to play like it is 2k11. These forums have really turned ugly lately I might just have to go to Da_Craz site and chill with the sim.

[DukeC]

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I'm saying, in the NBA, you can just explode out of the triple threat with no sizeups or dribble moves at all. Sometimes you'll get stopped like this, but quicker players can get past their man in this manner relatively often.

What works relatively well is that don't jab step multiple times. All that does is create space for you to shoot. While this is ultra useful for guards like Deron Williams or forwards Carmelo, this isn't what you want. Have you tried doing the protect ball move where you trun your back to the defender?

You can easily set up the defender doing the protect ball into the jab step before making your move with a crossover in the other direction. Again, it all depends on which side the defender is shading you. Get him committed to one side and blow by him by moving to the other. As long as your player is faster and the defender's quickness and on-ball defense is low, you should get past him.

Of course, if you are confronted with a bigger defender you should expect him to stop your drive by riding your hip, bodying you up by forcing you to one side, or daring you to shoot the jumper. That's why, it's also improtant to get your jumper falling. The more threat your jumper has, the more the defender is going to play you tight, therefore, allowing you an easier time in blowing past him.

That's why guys like Deron and CP3 are so dangerous. You can't really give them too much room, or they'll just drain a jumper in your face. Guys like D-Rose and Westbrook are ultra streaky s defenders will just live with you taking jumpers all day instead of letting them wreak havoc in the lane and getting layups/getting to the freethrow line.

[Synchromesh]

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From messing around in scrimmage mode today what I found is this...

Once you bring the ball up the court left go of the FREAKING left stick. When you hold the left stick in one direction you're essentially triggering a "running animation" if you lightly move the stick or feather it in one direction you trigger a "walking animation" it's MUCH easier to break down the defense if you're starting from the walking animation than it is if you're trying to run all over the place.

I was getting into the lane with ease with Ty Lawson and J.R. Smith when playing today...

[hitmanwa]

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Sorry but, what do you mean by launch timings?

[RyanFitzmagic]

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You can easily set up the defender doing the protect ball into the jab step before making your move with a crossover in the other direction. Again, it all depends on which side the defender is shading you. Get him committed to one side and blow by him by moving to the other. As long as your player is faster and the defender's quickness and on-ball defense is low, you should get past him.

But in real life, you don't have to do that. Perimeter defense is DAMN NEAR ILLEGAL in the NBA, so defenders won't try to bump you so much as ride your hip and keep you from getting all the way to the basket.