For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

[slimm44]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Pro with "real %" on does play well.

But the broken cpu double team system and logic. [they never double hot players specifically in the post.... ever.] ruins the single player experience.

Maybe you're just embellishing, but I disagree.

I played a game on Pro yesterday as the Pacers against the Nets. I forced Lopez into foul trouble early with penetration and, when they put in Johan Petro, I began to salivate. Then I began to feed Hibbert in the post. As soon as I did, they began to bring the double team. They did this for the first few minutes until I adjusted and went back to other scoring options.

During the second half, I started by feeding Roy in the post and they didn't start double teaming him until he hit 2 or 3 shots. Once that happened, they started double teaming him again.

[Serra11]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

During the second half, I started by feeding Roy in the post and they didn't start double teaming him until he hit 2 or 3 shots. Once that happened, they started double teaming him again.

Roy was still guarded by Petro or by Lopez when New Jersey started to double???

[daveberg]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Turning this game down to pro and tweaking the sliders was the best thing I ever did, game, for me, plays perfectly now.

[tcnumba10]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Finally tried a game on Allstar default. Played against Orlando - ball movement was very good and the CPU offense was aggresive. Saw some moves pulled off by the CPU that I don't normally see on Pro level. My only gripe so far is the D. Howard only attempted 5 shots the entire game, he didn't look to score alot and the CPU offense was not feeding him the ball. For once this isn't a tendency issue, because I checked the tendencies and he is set at 88 shot tendency and the Orlando Coaching slider for feeding the post was set at 99? It was only one game though so it is hard to judge/compare Allstar default to Pro default, I need to play a few more games and maybe tweak the sliders a bit.

If you want to stick on Pro and you are finding that some teams are not utilizing their big man enough, go in the Coach's Profile for the team you are playing against and make sure that their "Look for Low Post Player" and "Guard/Forward" slider is at least above 50 for both.

I was playing against Philly last night on Pro/default and found that Philly was not feeding the ball or looking for Brand to score at all. He had only 8pts that game. When I adjusted those sliders in the Philly's coach's Profile, they began to look for him alot more and ended up with 20pts.

Coach's Profile play a big role in how teams play so make sure to check out each of them before you play against that team. Don't make drastic changes but minor changes are necessary if you want teams to play or utilize certain players. I wish 2K made it simpler and had less sliders though like a screen with all the players name on one team and have a utilization/run plays number next to each name but all the numbers should add up to 100 in total.

[thugnificant]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

shame this isnt useful online cause it would turn in nba street with every shot going in . To each his own i suppose on the lowest level available

[slimm44]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

shame this isnt useful online cause it would turn in nba street with every shot going in . To each his own i suppose on the lowest level available

Nobody's talking about Rookie mode, homie. There are multiple people with multiple play styles who feel Pro is the most realistic. Not the easiest, the most realistic. If it makes you feel good to play on HOF, Superstar, or All-Star, have at it. Nobody's gonna criticize you for how you like to play the game. But don't troll somebody else's thread if all you are going to do is put down people by making a statement that is not only inaccurate but is also ignorant.

[slimm44]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Roy was still guarded by Petro or by Lopez when New Jersey started to double???

Petro first half, Lopez the second.

[nogster]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Maybe you're just embellishing, but I disagree.

I played a game on Pro yesterday as the Pacers against the Nets. I forced Lopez into foul trouble early with penetration and, when they put in Johan Petro, I began to salivate. Then I began to feed Hibbert in the post. As soon as I did, they began to bring the double team. They did this for the first few minutes until I adjusted and went back to other scoring options.

During the second half, I started by feeding Roy in the post and they didn't start double teaming him until he hit 2 or 3 shots. Once that happened, they started double teaming him again.

I assure you slimm there is no embellishing.
I am yet to see the cpu double a player in the post. Im yet to see a player get doubled in iso's as well.
I have only seen the pick n roll ball handler doubled.

Are you certain it was a double and not help d collapsing after youve made your move to the hoop.

I implore you to do this test.
default rosters.
select the Magic to play the Bobcats.
switch to the bobcats and in the defensive settings, select Augustine to guard Howard.
switch back and proceed to dump it into howard. rinse and repeat..

the cpu will never double Dwight even if guarded by a 5'11 weakling.
I scored 5 straight back down baskets and not one double came.

Ive scored 27pts with 95 magics Shaq. with 3 mins to go in the 1st quarter against the 96 sonics, a team famous for their trapping double team defense. because they simply didnt double team him.
I quit in disgust when I realized I could do this over and over and the cpu will not adjust.
yeah the cpu does a good job of helping once you have made your move to the basket. but in backdowns or triple threat set ups. you can just do it all day long.

Ive scored 33pts in the 1st half using the 01 raptors vince carter in my superleague roster. he was never doubled in any iso's or post ups. again. help D was good. but Carter was hot so I simply iso'ed then posted or pulled up for J's so the help D collapsing was never utilized.

[slimm44]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Are you certain it was a double and not help d collapsing after youve made your move to the hoop.

I implore you to do this test.
default rosters.

Point 1 - Each time the double came I was either doing a normal backdown (no turbo) or had just received the pass in the post and hadn't done anything yet (but the engage animation had taken place.) The AI shouldn't have been anticipating a quick shot because in the first half, when Petro had just entered the game, Roy had only taken 2 shots and only 1, if either, was from a post up.

In the second half, my gameplan to start was to go at Lopez because he already had 2 or 3 fouls and was killing me on the offensive end. I think Roy had 6 or 8 points at the half while Granger had 14 and George had 10 or 12. Roy wasn't even an impact player at that point.

Point 2 - This is probably where our experiences are differing greatly. I've edited every rating and tendency, including coaching sliders, and most playbooks, to get the game to play and sim realistically. If you're playing with default rosters and coaching tendencies, we're not really playing the same game.

While I enjoyed the game (for the most part) out of the box, correcting the tendencies and ratings REALLY makes a drastic difference. While I'm not going to argue there were a multitude of problems out of the box, it's not impossible to get the game to do what you want it to.

For instance, with keeping sim-stats and gameplay realistic, I've been able to get Nash to average around 12-15 assists in CPU games by making tendency, ratings, coaching slider, and playbook changes. In a CPU game the other day, he had 11 points and 11 assists in the first 3 quarters against the Warriors. He didn't play the 4th quarter because it was a blowout.

Are you making (or have you made) a roster file this year? I see you releasing them annually.

[thugnificant]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Nobody's talking about Rookie mode, homie. There are multiple people with multiple play styles who feel Pro is the most realistic. Not the easiest, the most realistic. If it makes you feel good to play on HOF, Superstar, or All-Star, have at it. Nobody's gonna criticize you for how you like to play the game. But don't troll somebody else's thread if all you are going to do is put down people by making a statement that is not only inaccurate but is also ignorant.

pro= rookie mode with all sliders at 50. welcom to the NEW world of 2k where its so easy a cave man can do it . I SAID it doesnt work online thats it .

[nogster]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Point 1 - Each time the double came I was either doing a normal backdown (no turbo) or had just received the pass in the post and hadn't done anything yet (but the engage animation had taken place.) The AI shouldn't have been anticipating a quick shot because in the first half, when Petro had just entered the game, Roy had only taken 2 shots and only 1, if either, was from a post up.

In the second half, my gameplan to start was to go at Lopez because he already had 2 or 3 fouls and was killing me on the offensive end. I think Roy had 6 or 8 points at the half while Granger had 14 and George had 10 or 12. Roy wasn't even an impact player at that point.

Point 2 - This is probably where our experiences are differing greatly. I've edited every rating and tendency, including coaching sliders, and most playbooks, to get the game to play and sim realistically. If you're playing with default rosters and coaching tendencies, we're not really playing the same game.

While I enjoyed the game (for the most part) out of the box, correcting the tendencies and ratings REALLY makes a drastic difference. While I'm not going to argue there were a multitude of problems out of the box, it's not impossible to get the game to do what you want it to.

For instance, with keeping sim-stats and gameplay realistic, I've been able to get Nash to average around 12-15 assists in CPU games by making tendency, ratings, coaching slider, and playbook changes. In a CPU game the other day, he had 11 points and 11 assists in the first 3 quarters against the Warriors. He didn't play the 4th quarter because it was a blowout.

Are you making (or have you made) a roster file this year? I see you releasing them annually.

yeah. I created my superleague roster and redid all ratings/tendencies, coach profiles, playbooks the whole lot. Like I do every season. I tested it on the default rosters so to prove that it isnt just my custom roster that has the issue. that its a game issue. not a roster issue.
So you are actually getting double team animations in the post or iso's?
I am yet to see a legit one. in all the hours and hours of watching and playing the game.
I just finished a 96 sonics vs 95 magic. [I was the sonics]
and did see help D that looked like a pseudo double. [a player shadowed the post player with the ball and made attempts at stealing or forcing me to pass it.] but this was because when I made the pass to the post, the defender guarding the passer was close to the reciever in the post, so naturally he attempted to make life tough. ie: the court spacing wasnt good enough for the post player to be free to do his thing. but whenever I passed it to the post guy, and he had room to breathe. or iso'd then backed down. no double would come. Schrempf was owning scott because he could simply back him down [once he had sufficient court spacing] without a double in sight.
and Kemp had 37pts. [one sick dunk over shaq and grant]. without any double teams. but I felt they came without exploiting the cpus lack of doubles. as I attacked and spun etc. kemp style, .without methodically backing down. although the cpu shouldve doubled him regardless like previous 2k games. because he was destroying them.

could you use your roster and do that test I mentioned?

make augustine guard dwight, then control the magic and only call post plays for dwight and repeat.

[slimm44]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

pro= rookie mode with all sliders at 50. welcom to the NEW world of 2k where its so easy a cave man can do it . I SAID it doesnt work online thats it .

This post is more ignorant than the first. If you want to have a conversation on a message board, come with something better than that. Using poor grammar and punctuation doesn't make you any more understandable. You think Pro is the same as Rookie with sliders at 50, which makes no sense at all since all modes start with sliders at 50.

Like I said before, play on whatever mode you want, but stop hatin' on us for the way we like to play the game. Whether you like it or not is up to you. Coming in here and talking nonsense isn't helping anybody have a better gaming experience.

[bkrich83]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

This post is more ignorant than the first. If you want to have a conversation on a message board, come with something better than that. Using poor grammar and punctuation doesn't make you any more understandable. You think Pro is the same as Rookie with sliders at 50, which makes no sense at all since all modes start with sliders at 50.

Like I said before, play on whatever mode you want, but stop hatin' on us for the way we like to play the game. Whether you like it or not is up to you. Coming in here and talking nonsense isn't helping anybody have a better gaming experience.

Just put him on ignore. It's obvious he's trolling, and isn't super sharp.

[slimm44]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

Just put him on ignore. It's obvious he's trolling, and isn't super sharp.

Wise choice. Done and done.

[slimm44]

Re: For a realistic gameplay experience, try Pro/Default Slider settings

yeah. I created my superleague roster and redid all ratings/tendencies, coach profiles, playbooks the whole lot. Like I do every season. I tested it on the default rosters so to prove that it isnt just my custom roster that has the issue. that its a game issue. not a roster issue.
So you are actually getting double team animations in the post or iso's?
I am yet to see a legit one. in all the hours and hours of watching and playing the game.
I just finished a 96 sonics vs 95 magic. [I was the sonics]
and did see help D that looked like a pseudo double. [a player shadowed the post player with the ball and made attempts at stealing or forcing me to pass it.] but this was because when I made the pass to the post, the defender guarding the passer was close to the reciever in the post, so naturally he attempted to make life tough. ie: the court spacing wasnt good enough for the post player to be free to do his thing. but whenever I passed it to the post guy, and he had room to breathe. or iso'd then backed down. no double would come. Schrempf was owning scott because he could simply back him down [once he had sufficient court spacing] without a double in sight.
and Kemp had 37pts. [one sick dunk over shaq and grant]. without any double teams. but I felt they came without exploiting the cpus lack of doubles. as I attacked and spun etc. kemp style, .without methodically backing down. although the cpu shouldve doubled him regardless like previous 2k games. because he was destroying them.

could you use your roster and do that test I mentioned?

make augustine guard dwight, then control the magic and only call post plays for dwight and repeat.

Yes, in the game I mentioned I was getting the double-team animation if I didn't kick out soon enough. Not during that game, and I can't remember who it involved, but I've actually had jump-ball situations. Not as many as last year, but I've seen them.

I'll try that test in a bit and get back to you.

In your previous post you asked me to put Augustine on Howard. Do you want me to set he AI to double in the post also or leave it at auto?