To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

[Sovartus]

Re: Sov's Rant....

Not to derail the thread even more than it already has been, but you seem to have a rather severe inferiority complex and the sarcastic, cynical tone you use ad-nauseum can't help with learning others' opinions in a productive, constructive way.

I, in no way, shape or form, have concluded that I'm this god-like NBA 2K player. Hell, is that even a title to be proud of? That would be you drawing from your own exaggerated conclusions (in order to make an argument seem more compelling).

Its already been said that the game plays better in a more realistic sense on lesser difficulty settings. The CPU apparently resembles that of an actual NBA offense when placed on All-Star. And not once did I state that HOF produces the most realistic NBA simulation. It does not. This thread, and my corresponding post, was aimed toward defense and the ability to stop the other team. Not producing the most realistic simulation of events (though the score does actually resemble that of an NBA box-score). If you'd like to continue the discussion, please feel free to drop the cynicism.

I am overlooking your comments because they are unfounded. I was talking about Self313, not you. You didn't make the seemingly arrogant comments that sparked my rant so truce...

Oh, and no... I don't have any sort of complex.... lol that was funny though.

[Brian_OS]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

I have no idea how this thread got so out of control.. To the person who started it, a big Thank you! I made the slider adjustments you sugested and I no longer feel like I am playing in front of a mirror....

[younggrease]

Re: Sov's Rant....

Everyone perceives things differently according to their own life experiences and project them onto others. We don't see things as they are, they see them as "we are" so I can understand why you would take it that way.

As to the bolded. I will ignore that and focus on what an objective reading of your post would imply. And I thereby stand by my statement.

To me, it appeared that his message communicated it being easy for him and others needed to practice to be as good and skilled as he is on the game. I simply called it nonesense, from my knowledgable position. (and I don't claim to know everything about the game either) I don't say this because I can't do it and I'm all bitter, but because my experiences with the game and countless other veteran skilled players don't support his claims of superiority if he is playing the game in a realistic manner with default sliders. (even if he tuned the 3pt shooting for the cpu)

"nonsense, from [your] knowledgeable position." So because you and the people you know are not able to do it than it is simply dismissed as "nonsense." To be fair, in this situation you are not very knowledgeable. You know nothing about the poster except what he posted. All you know is that you can't do it and your "veteran skilled players" can't do it either. Thus, you are not posting from a knowledgeable position, you APPEAR to be[as you say it] "projecting your own experiences" on that poster. Guess what, there is a real chance out there that someone exists who is way better at this game than either one of us...Neither one of us has any valid reason to brush off someone's post as nonsense, especially for the reasons you put forth.

Not to derail the thread even more than it already has been, but you seem to have a rather severe inferiority complex and the sarcastic, cynical tone you use ad-nauseum can't help with learning others' opinions in a productive, constructive way.

well, I would say that he has a very high opinion of himself. I have spent time(4-6 months) with him in a Sim League and he always came across as very arrogant to me. But hey who can argue with a man with who had a 50+ inch vert in his prime...guys like this are one in a billion j/k

Lastly, I wanna say that I think we should all just try to focus on the bball as much as possible. This forum is a great place to exchange ideas and tools about this game. Sovartus has done some great post tutorials and I have learned a ton from many posters on this site. But, we also have to respect one another and attempt not to come off as preachy or elitist. No one has any idea about each other's basketball background or knowledge or video game background etc.. Just keep that in mind.

**if there are typos please excuse them. I'm pooped after my game tonight and refuse to read this post for errors.***

[Sovartus]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

OP, I hope you found the other 80% of my original post to be helpful. I apologize to OS and the mods if I have caused any drama on the forum with the final paragraph of my post. Please forgive me for making assumptions about other players and their playing abilities or knowledge as well as requesting a video as proof and it won't happen again.

Thank you Younggrease for the time and passion you put into your well thought out analyzation of my post. I am humbled.

[Pared]

Re: Sov's Rant....

Ok - let's all drop it and get back to the topic.

[King Gro23]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

I haven't read this thread just the first two post but BRING ON THE CPU I love the computer giving me their best shot. I just see it as being the Ultimate competitor, I thrive on competition!

[SIZEqueen]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

Interesting thread! Bickering aside, I think we as sports gamers can agree that when we want realism, we want realism. I think we can also agree that realism is pretty hard to achieve and one of the best ways to do so is giving us gamers options. Defining realism is pretty subjective as we all perceive things differently, even if only from time to time.

With that said, allow me to qualify my position as a basketball enthusiast and as an avid gamer who wishes for nothing but pure simulation. I do not try to make the highlight of the night when I get the ball. I'm not the guy that spams iso moves trying to look like Shamgod playing against a middle school guard. I turn sliders way down. Sliders like vertical, quickness, awareness etc have been completely zero'd for me at times to achieve what I feel is realism. I edit each and every single player and turn down (especially) on ball defense, and change their dribble packages and tendencies to further achieve what I feel is realism.

This is what I posted in another thread as someone was talking about what I feel are key problems/elements of this years game. If anything seems out of context, it's due to him speaking about my player, but I feel that should be obvious.

The contact in this years game is outright dumb. Defensive players slide just as much as last year, they just made the animation a little more polished. They would be foul calls 95% of the time. I just played a game where I was the Spurs and my opponent (cpu) was the Lakers and I locked down Shannon Brown 2 times on bad switches with McDyss. Locked him down!

Off the ball contact is so absurd that I refuse to play my player. I literally do not enjoy a second of it. I go to cross a defender over, or honestly just cross over to get a better angle and I get sucked into a magic defender who knows where I am going, and while moving laterally, can get there before I do, throw a shoulder check into me, stand me straight up and I lose control of the ball, or my dribble. If I am trying to run under screens I just get called for 3 in the key.

This is not (legal) defense, and any defender in the NBA who could do it would be one rich dude. Human beings do not move as quickly, or nearly as agile when they are moving backwards and/or laterally. Unless of course they are defenders in NBA2k.

Aside from the magic defense making the game near impossible to be enjoyed as a basketball simulation and not just a video game, player control is loose and wonky, which doesn't help. Some games I have very nice control. I feel like I am planted, weighted or glued to the floor on both defense and offense. Other games (no matter what sliders I adjust, as sometimes adjusting game difficulty will initiate a change) I am sliding all over the place. Arbitrary slider settings are really not nearly as enjoyable as the devs thought they would be. I have been thinking for 2 years now that the game engine would translate great into a hockey game. I have great control for a guy on skates, moving at that speed, however for a guy on a hardwood floor in rubber sole shoes, I most certainly do not. It's no fluke that the games where I feel like I am not sliding are the games I feel like I can do things and (almost) enjoy a game of basketball.

Patches are the only hope for my player, friend. Right now you just have to settle for getting sucked into guys and being bumped into, or thrown around like it's legal, because I assure you despite all of the "get better", "I don't have any of these problems you must suck", "stop asking for easy games" comments, or all of the slider adjustments one cane make, my player (not that other modes are not) is a combination of hockey, football and basketball right now. And despite what any person trying to rationalize the need for this "defense" or "playstyle" tells you; OS board member, game dev or whomever - the bottom line is defense is hard to create and they did an embarrassingly bad job of it.

I apologize for the length, but I assume based on what I have read on this forum for the last couple of weeks now, I share similar opinions with other OS members.

We need for devs to acknowledge this. In doing so, they can either change it or, and this is the best option as I feel it would be easier and more cost effective - make it so sliders can eliminate bumping and defenders who can predict the future and run track backwards. I know it might be hard, but it would make us as loyal customers feel like they are actually listening to us as they say they are.

[hoopstar]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

Sliders <<<<<<<<<<


might as well put it on pro

That's whts up I thought I was tripping when I first played the game the defense was every where I had to adjust the settings to pro and then I played a couple of games and won then I put it on all star then I started winning I just had to get the hang of it. U have to take ur time this year.

[Pared]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

What part of drop it don't you understand?

Next post not on the topic gets an infraction.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

anyway someone can summarize the constructive stuff that came from this thread?

ie: settings suggestions? I keep getting lost in the foolishness trying to read through..

[Jukeman]

Have you noticed when you dribble around the paint the CPU has this 'mirrored' defense, like the cpu will basically automatically and instantly mirror your movements regardless of where you go, which means it's frustratingly difficult to get to the basket for fouls and easy layups.

Another thing, have you noticed how the CPU, even on Pro difficulty will 99% of the time go for the most intelligent shot. Like, they pretty much never make a bad shot, or they never ever go for a shot that they probably shouldn't have. I don't mind a challenge, I welcome it, but it's just so annoying when the CPU plays like in a manner that you can only describe as robotic. I find it SO annoying how the cpu can just drive to the basket like I'm not there, but when I try to do the exact same move as them they instantly mirror my movements so I can't get to the rim. I play pretty good defense, but I'm not so good that I can instantly mirror the opposing players movements, I'm not psychic, and the CPU shouldn't be either, it's just absurd.

So for anyone who can understand what I mean, I have a fix. Simply reduce the Offensive and Defensive awareness of the CPU under attributes to anything under 30. Yep, that low. Instantly I noticed differences. For once Joe Johnson didn't get 17/19 shooting. For once he actually made mistakes. For once I could do a jab step and then go the other way with Kobe and actually successfully get to the rim and draw a foul. Another thing, reduce the CPU's On-Ball Defense sliders. This creates less automated cheese bumping animations when on D. I still lose games and I still win games, but now it all just feels so much more real, authentic and less frustrating.

EDIT: I play Allstar, Sim.

Agree, they should come up with tendency to make the CPU play more "human"

But then again, the current tendencies are incomplete..


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[Pared]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

I think they did a good job of that offensively for the most part. There are some head scratchers but overall I like what they do, even if they are a little too perfect (especially when they decide they need to start fastbreaking).

Defensively they need some more work. I'd like to see the CPU controlled D bring over doubles to the PG, raise their hands when you are just standing there, attempt to D up on you, etc.

Right now, they just react to your inputs as opposed to your intentions. Of course, this is easier said than done when dealing with code.

I'd also like the CPU AI to defend the fastbreak a little more realisticly, giving up on easy layups, stepping up to the ball handler at times instead of always protecting the paint and attempting steals on layups from behind. Maybe even a clear path foul once in a while.

There's much they can still do and I'm excited by the possibilities after seeing the offense this year.

[Jukeman]

I think they did a good job of that offensively for the most part. There are some head scratchers but overall I like what they do, even if they are a little too perfect (especially when they decide they need to start fastbreaking).

Defensively they need some more work. I'd like to see the CPU controlled D bring over doubles to the PG, raise their hands when you are just standing there, attempt to D up on you, etc.

Right now, they just react to your inputs as opposed to your intentions. Of course, this is easier said than done when dealing with code.

I'd also like the CPU AI to defend the fastbreak a little more realisticly, giving up on easy layups, stepping up to the ball handler at times instead of always protecting the paint and attempting steals on layups from behind. Maybe even a clear path foul once in a while.

There's much they can still do and I'm excited by the possibilities after seeing the offense this year.

I meant defensively lol forgot to say that.


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[mylifeishid]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

It seems like every team plays the same. It doesn't matter if it's the Miami Heat our the Minnesota T'wolves, there will rarely be a bad possession, they have cat like reflexes on D, and they'll play flawless basketball to get the score close in the 4th quarter. Plus, there's gonna be one guy who spins, crossovers, and pump fakes his way to points every possession, and if he misses, then the CPU controlled center will grab the rebound and put it in over two defenders.

It's not just 2k, it seems like every sports game goes into "the CPU must win" mode and it really doesn't matter what you do. Lamarcus Aldridge took me to the to the top of the key, crossed me over, did a spin move, then put up a fadeaway... from the top of the key. The result: all net, because the CPU was in "keep the score close" mode. This game is fun, but sometimes it drives me crazy.

[a_maz_ing]

Re: To enjoy 2k12, you have to make the CPU more 'stupid'.

Has anyone else had a problem with the AI having perfect timing on shot blocks but you and your own teammates just missing?
I can't count how many times I perfectly timed a block only to look at the replay and see my defender's arm not even be in front of the ball.
Makes no sense.