The Passing Is Fine/Great Game

[TheKasmar]

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2k12 is all about avoiding the bad pass. Even with the best passer or against the most lax defense. The floaty passes come at the most unexpected times. I'd like the option to put some zip on that pass. Football, Baseball(Pitches), and Soccer videogames give you options to control what type of pass you throw. I'd like to see basketball incoporate more options.

[do_Denver2]

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I don't see you play but it's almost impossible to play a balanced team offense and plus, don't get me wrong because that team was really good, the '94 Rockets was mostly ball to Hakeem in the post and let him work or pass out of the double team. Pass around to get the ball in the post? Just press left, B/O then pass it, nothing to it.

My problem? Try mostly everyone's problem, or the game's problem, like someone said it's almost impossible to pass around the perimeter, to pass to a cutter, to pass on 2-1, 3-1 fastbreaks, and believe I'm using all types of passing ways, I've practised a lot. Really, don't try to sugarcoat it, the passing is bad. I never saw another team with a passing game like the '87 Lakers or the '86 Celtics, they were the best of the best when it came to it, even in the game, you got guys with high passing ratings on both teams, you got two of the best passers ever in Magic and Bird, and I almost can't make a really simple pass, imagine with worser (not saying bad) passing teams and players...

Like I've said on other topic, I almost always need to commit 8 to's to get 12 assists with Magic, 6 to's to get 8 assists with Bird, 7 to's to get 10 assists with Nash, same with Stockton and so on... And believe me, I'm not forcing things and I'm trying to use all types of passing ways.

Hey man, I feel your pain. I only played with those Lakers at the beginning when I started, and I was frustrated with Magic, but then again I hadn t gotten hang of the game at all, so I can t really comment specifically on that.

With the Rockets, it is inside-outside game, but you need to be able to pass around the perimiter to get the open 3s.

I think one large problem for people (perhaps because the lockout has kept us from watching live ball in a while) is that they imagine all 2 on 1s executed perfectly with a bounce pass to a dunk. Or a beautiful inside outside game with the ball always zipping around the perimiter to beat the rotation. But this doesn t happen consistently even with great teams. They get it rolling sometimes and it does happen, but not always. I mean if you watch the old Lakers, on what percentage of plays did Magic make an unbelievable pass? Yeah it happens sometimes in the game, but not on the majority of possessions.

For me fast breaks aren t much of a problem, I usually convert them but occasionally don t. On the other hand, I still have difficulty hitting the open guy in half court, but this is not the fault of the game. If I am executing a spin move in the lane, then it is difficult on the controls to pass out to the open guy on the wing. And when it doesn t go to the right guy, I don t blame the game. It is just flat out difficult for example to spin the stick and then move it in the direction of the open guy for the pass. But the more I play the better it gets. And 99% of the time when things don t happen the way I want them to, it s because my fingers didn t input the right sequence, and I know it. When I do things correctly, what I want to happen happens in the game!

[TeddyKGB]

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I defy anyone to run a proper motion offense ala Houston's - predicated on player and ball movement - with the passing game in the state that it's in.

[JWiLL02]

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I think one large problem for people (perhaps because the lockout has kept us from watching live ball in a while) is that they imagine all 2 on 1s executed perfectly with a bounce pass to a dunk. Or a beautiful inside outside game with the ball always zipping around the perimiter to beat the rotation. But this doesn t happen consistently even with great teams. They get it rolling sometimes and it does happen, but not always. I mean if you watch the old Lakers, on what percentage of plays did Magic make an unbelievable pass? Yeah it happens sometimes in the game, but not on the majority of possessions.

The issue is you absolutely can't swing it quickly around the perimeter in the game. Of course team's don't always move the ball like the freaking Showtime Lakers in real life, but for simple ball reversals and kick outs I shouldn't have to worry about about these NBA players dropping the ball between their legs, or turning their entire body and throwing some "fundamental" overhead pass like they teach you in grade school while I'm trying to quickly move the ball. I'm convinced the "touch pass" feature isn't even in the game anymore, because the animations I'm seeing when trying to initiate it couldn't be further from a "touch".

Pass animations should "pop". They should be quick snaps of the wrist. Not drawn out, slow full arm extensions 90% of the time.

[ronglengco]

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I keep reading post after post of people complaining about the passing when it really works fine. That being said, this game is not easy and requires ALOT of practice and getting used to. But once you do, the experience is rewarding and you won t have any problems passing.

There are so many tools at your disposal, from icon passing, to right stick passing. Each works better in certain cases. Right stick passing can be crisper and more precise for fast breaks, but you must time it correctly. Timing is key on fast breaks, and fast breaks are difficult, not easy. Watch real NBA footage and a large % of fast breaks are not converted. This is realistic. Meanwhile in the half court, you can t just lob the ball around. If you are dribbling and get into to trouble, don t expect to be able to throw the ball crosscourt or in the post and not have it stolen! You need to dribble out and reset. Offensive flow is important, and if you are driving and creating open passes then you won t have any problems. This takes time and practice. If you are just pushing buttons and don t have total control over your offensive game, then you will throw lots of bad passes!

In summary, I understand peoples frustration. The game is challenging. But get over it! Once you get the hang of it the game works as it should.

I wonder if to op never plyed the game before the patch. Yes, the game can be considered as "no passing issues" after the patch. Im thinking he must have been playing with patch unknowingly when he wrote this.

[MarvellousOne]

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The passing in this game is pretty terrible. Especially Icon passing, not only do they throw a lot of lackluster passes but there is also a delay with the icon passing that was not in previous NBA 2k games and that is quite frustrating in itself. Passing needs to be tightened up big time.

[stillfeelme]

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do_Denver2,

You are playing a different game than I am. 2K has even visited these forums and said the passing needs to be improved and wanted us to report or describe the issues we are having. So you have your opinion but I can't say I agree with it. Either you have been blinded or you adjusted some things so that you don't see them happening that often. If you read through a few of the posts and threads you will start to see a growing trend that most people are having the same type of issues with the passing. So I say it is not that great at the moment.

[wepr3]

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There is no practice mode I'm aware of where I can adjust to defenders deflecting the ball when not even facing/"seeing" it.

[bfrombleacher]

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You have to play within the limits of the weak passing system. Sliders certainly help from experience. In this morning's session of 2k12 goodness, I swung the ball from the post to an open 3.

The option to lob and bounce is just invaluable, especially in P&Rs where in a lot of instances I cannot connect with a chest pass.

[Spanky]

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That's all that matters. Your last comment is oblivious as well to the fact that YOU had to make a change to make things "better."

That's not a solution. You're not "fixing" anything. You may have a result you're content with but the solution needs to be applied across the board. Not tweak a few settings, put on a tin foil hat and then said everyone else doesn't know what they're talking about.

The devs will fix the passing, then everyone claim it "so much better" when they're just fixing something that doesn't work well.

Silly.

It took me about 2 minutes to remedy the problem with sliders. If you don't want to take the initiative to do so that's fine. But I'm not going to wait around for this alleged magic patch that cures all.

[ZooM z00m]

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I agree about having to pull the ball back and reset and what not. Too many times I play team up and people cry about not passing the ball within 2 ticks on the 24 clock. If the ball isn't inbounded, passed in the lane, and laid up/dunked before the shot clock reaches 22, people literally crap their laced panties and quit. This game really feels like you have to play like you would in real life. And that's what I really like about it.

Though I also agree with the naysayers who say passing is flawed. I hate having to bring up Icon Passing every time I want a precise pass. Even on fast breaks.

[do_Denver2]

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I agree about having to pull the ball back and reset and what not. Too many times I play team up and people cry about not passing the ball within 2 ticks on the 24 clock. If the ball isn't inbounded, passed in the lane, and laid up/dunked before the shot clock reaches 22, people literally crap their laced panties and quit. This game really feels like you have to play like you would in real life. And that's what I really like about it.

Though I also agree with the naysayers who say passing is flawed. I hate having to bring up Icon Passing every time I want a precise pass. Even on fast breaks.

You don t have to bring up icon passing on fast break. Use right stick total control passing (make sure it is configured in controller settings).
Then you can quickly tap RB and direction stick pass on the fast break. You can also come down the floor holding RB the whole time and then when decision time comes flick the right stick in the direction you want to go.
I have eliminated almost all issues on the fast break this way, and you can easily make 2 passe especially on 3 on 1s. Of course don t expect all of your fast breaks to be converted. You will sometimes be challenged at the layup and miss, fumble the ball etc.... But I m converting at a consistent realistic rate.

[TheKasmar]

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I agree about having to pull the ball back and reset and what not. Too many times I play team up and people cry about not passing the ball within 2 ticks on the 24 clock. If the ball isn't inbounded, passed in the lane, and laid up/dunked before the shot clock reaches 22, people literally crap their laced panties and quit. This game really feels like you have to play like you would in real life. And that's what I really like about it.

That's what is most frustrating about team-up for me. If it's not a poorly thrown pass that gets intercepted, it's somebody getting a 3-second violation. They should know by now that they cant throw passes in traffic like that.

[RedmanR]

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That's what is most frustrating about team-up for me. If it's not a poorly thrown pass that gets intercepted, it's somebody getting a 3-second violation. They should know by now that they cant throw passes in traffic like that.

Good luck with that one. That was the main reason why I shied away from Team-Up the last couple years, there was never such a thing as team-play or role-players. Every time you pass the ball even if your teammate isn't known as a shooter he's chucking them up anyway or forcing his way to the basket even with the paint locked down.

[magicman32]

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Passing is not fine in this game. The main problem is icon passing took huge steps backwards this year. Often times icon passing are slow and floaty. There is also a delayed animation when it comes to icon passing. In 2k11 icon passing was good. 2k dropped the ball this year though. Icon lead passing is horrible too. The player becomes "Flash". Also whats up with players doing a 180 turn just too catch the ball going to the basket.

The right stick and "X" work better when it comes to speed, but sometimes it can be inaccurate. I have a better feel of how the passing works in this game and I'm no longer frustrated. I use a combo of icon, "X" button, and right stick. Honestly I shouldn't have to play like this.

I mainly only use Icon passing to make a post entry pass. When you run plays, the right stick is pretty good when players are coming off of screens or popping out. I use the "X" button on fast breaks and when I penetrate and kick out. Sometimes it's inaccurate though but at least the passes are not delayed like when you use Icon passing. I've adjusted, but passing really needs to get addressed. For real.

IMO, 2k trying to appease online heads and limit "Cheese" has made some of the things in the game worse. ie. Players doing a 180 just to catch a pass going to the basket. And defenders having "spidy sense" on defense.