Played some 2k11 today...

[Jrocc23]

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2K11 is a much better game than 2K12 imo. I just don't see how people could really say 2K12 is better than 2K11. 2K let me down with 2K12, I will have to rent 2K13.

[Mos1ted]

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I traded in 2K11 during the summer in anticipation for 2K12, but I still have the 2K11 demo saved on my PS3. I fired it up today, but not before I fired up the 2K12 demo first. I felt it would be better to compare the two demos than a retail version of only one.

Immediately, the differences are noticed. While 2K12 does do somethings better -- post game, isomotion, return of the walking the ball animation -- 2K11 is the better overall game from a basketball standpoint as of right now. For example, if you catch a defender off balance in 2K11, you can be ensured he won't magically recover to get back into position to make a defensive play. And the ball speed on passes is night and day. I could actually get into the game mentally and make decision based on basketball principles and not video game principles.

Playing the 2K11 demo, I see why 2K attempted to make the improvements it did. I saw many instances where a defenders hand went right through the ball on what should have been an on-ball steal, so I see why 2K wanted to address the ball physics this go around.

Remember how many of us were complaining about the on-ball defense in 2K11? I was one of the most vocal ones about that. If the patch takes the defense in 2K12 back to 2K11's level, I'll consider that an improvement LOL. That's how much defense has regressed in 2K12.

If the 2K12 patch doesn't deliver, I'll be more than happy to trade it in and pick up 2K11 again. Even with its flaws, it still delivers a better basketball experience than 2K12 does.

[stlstudios189]

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heck I am still playing 2k10 but, 2k11 is starting to sound like the better step up. I was waiting to get 2k12 after christmas

[youvalss]

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heck I am still playing 2k10 but, 2k11 is starting to sound like the better step up. I was waiting to get 2k12 after christmas

I actually got a used copy of 2K10 a couple of weeks ago. I'm enjoying the game, though it's not the best in the series, I still find myself enjoying it a lot. I've been also playing some 2K7 the past week and I like to go back and forth. I like 2K8 too, but I can't play it because the graphics burn my eyes (I'm not one of those who can play a game with great gameplay even if it looks like a basketball game from 1979. I just can't).

I haven't touched 2K11 in...a lot of time. I used to have it for the PC but my laptop kinda died so no more 2K11, especially with me playing on the PS3 now. When I bought 2K10, the salesperson said they also had 2K11 for the same price, but I just wanted 2K10. Don't know why, but I had to have it again.

Maybe when a used copy of 2K11 is sold here for $9.99, I'll buy it again.

[DJ]

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I actually got a used copy of 2K10 a couple of weeks ago. I'm enjoying the game, though it's not the best in the series, I still find myself enjoying it a lot. I've been also playing some 2K7 the past week and I like to go back and forth. I like 2K8 too, but I can't play it because the graphics burn my eyes (I'm not one of those who can play a game with great gameplay even if it looks like a basketball game from 1979. I just can't).

I haven't touched 2K11 in...a lot of time. I used to have it for the PC but my laptop kinda died so no more 2K11, especially with me playing on the PS3 now. When I bought 2K10, the salesperson said they also had 2K11 for the same price, but I just wanted 2K10. Don't know why, but I had to have it again.

Maybe when a used copy of 2K11 is sold here for $9.99, I'll buy it again.

Do you have 2K12? What do you think of 2K12 compared to the games you listed?

[youvalss]

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Do you have 2K12? What do you think of 2K12 compared to the games you listed?

I do have 2K12. I love some of the features there, I think it's a top-3 2K game (with 2K11 and...well, there gotta be another good one). I just like to go back and play older games. Especially 2K7, which by the way still amazes me with its graphics.

By the way, I find myself not caring about the NBA like I used to. This is why I like playing older 2K's with older seasons/rosters.

[DJ]

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I do have 2K12. I love some of the features there, I think it's a top-3 2K game (with 2K11 and...well, there gotta be another good one). I just like to go back and play older games. Especially 2K7, which by the way still amazes me with its graphics.

By the way, I find myself not caring about the NBA like I used to. This is why I like playing older 2K's with older seasons/rosters.

2K7 was a great experience ... it was the reason I bought a 360. I played it for 2 years and then picked up 2K8, and while it was fun, I thought 2K7 was better. I skipped 2K9 and picked up 2K10, but didn't play it as much as Live 10. I'm still playing 2K11. 2K12 goes in stages for me ... I can play Greatest Mode a bunch but without being able to edit the generics, I don't feel like bringing those teams into Association. If the NBA season would've been canceled, I would've sold 2K12.

Once the Opening Night rosters are out, I'm sure 2K12 will get a lot of play from me.

[youvalss]

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^^ Nice. The bottom line is...I don't know what I want. One day I want this game, the next day - that game... Maybe I'm pregnant...

[cdg0219]

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I've flipped between 2K11 and 12 many times now. If I play 2K12, its issues make me go back to 2K11. When I realize what 2K11 lacks in comparison, I go back to 2K12. Then I quit both. The release of 2K12 made 2 games worse than I'd like. Does that make any sense?

[Vni]

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Lol, sick but yeah it does make sence.

[Mos1ted]

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I've flipped between 2K11 and 12 many times now. If I play 2K12, its issues make me go back to 2K11. When I realize what 2K11 lacks in comparison, I go back to 2K12. Then I quit both. The release of 2K12 made 2 games worse than I'd like. Does that make any sense?

That's the dilemma I'm dealing with right now. I've already decided that I'm purchasing 2K11 again if the patch doesn't fix the issues I'm most concerned about in 2K12. But then I'm also worried that I will experienced issues in 2K11 that I know where fixed in 2K12 (post game, walk the ball animation, playcalling) and want to go back to 2K12 because of that. I guess my suggestion would be to prioritize which features are most important and enjoy the game that offers the majority of those features.

Personally, none of the add-ons from 2K12 really excited me. The only reason I bought 2K12 was because I thought the collision detection system would be a step up from 2K11 and the ball warping would be eliminated with the improved ball physics. Unfortunately, these "improvements" didn't really improve on what was in place in 2K11, and if anything, their attempt to improve these flaws has actually made them regress in those departments.

[Pared]

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If I had a solid group of guys playing 2k11 I would still be playing it routinely. Everyone moved on or dropped the game altogether.

[blues rocker]

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yeah, i've been trying to figure out what 2k's motivation was for making the changes they made in 2k12...if they were honestly attempting to make the game more realistic and just didn't have time to pull that off, then i'm ok with that...what bothers me is the thought that maybe some of the stuff they changed was done to limit the user in order to get certain stats or in order to keep the games close (like lack of contact on drives to the hoop, too many bad/contested shots going in, the existence of certain unstoppable moves, slow passing, auto-defensive control with holding left trigger, inappropriate animations which kill your scoring opportunities, delayed response on exploding out of sizeups, making my player do dribble hesitations that i didn't tell him to do, making my player automatically bite on pump fakes, etc.). when i play 2k12, i can't help but get the feeling that the game is playing me - it's forcing me to do things i don't want to do because the game is not giving me appropriate animations or good control response.

i'm sure a lot of what 2k did was just an honest attempt to improve the game, but with some of the changes i can't help but think that they were made to limit skilled gamers and to help out bad gamers (like the ability to hit too many difficult/contested shots)...rather than just giving people effective animations and letting them succeed or fail based on their actual ability. in 2k12, some actions were made less responsive and other actions were made almost automatic where the player on the screen just does things without the user's input. in 2k11 i felt that once i had mastered the game, i could succeed because i had gained skill and the game provided me with effective animations...now in 2k12 it feels like the game is holding me back with bad animations because it doesn't want me to succeed too much...or it wants to help me out when i'm down by allowing me to make bad shots...as a result, you don't really feel like your are determining the outcome, and this makes the game much less satisfying.

in 2k11, you truly determined the outcome, and the rules were clear - if you took a good shot you would score, and if you contested your opponent's shot you would make them miss...now in 2k12 the outcomes are all over the map, and it's just hard to make sense of it.

[Pared]

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It's not even a question - everything was done to provide the user with more control.

Whether or not they succeeded shouldn't be dragged out; we all know everyone's feelings at this point. But from every area that was changed, user control was improved in theory.

[blues rocker]

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It's not even a question - everything was done to provide the user with more control.

Whether or not they succeeded shouldn't be dragged out; we all know everyone's feelings at this point. But from every area that was changed, user control was improved in theory.

i guess i should word it differently...i'm not saying the game gives you less control, i guess i'm saying that the animations that play out are not as responsive and are not as effective as they should be - it feels like when i try to do something i'm always getting some delayed or wonky animation that isn't correct for the situation. i guess it's more an animation issue than a control issue.