Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[JJJones135]

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Yeah let's get this thread going guys come on alright so I got a few questions ok

1. Should I keep Eric Gordon with the hornets bc with Anthony Davis and there guards they should be playoff material not championship yet.

2. What the heck should I do with Dwight Howard I would honestly like to put him with the Brooklyn nets and dwill I think that would make like I modern athletic version of Stockton and Malone. However I like to keep realism.

3. I honestly hate the Knicks is roster please shoot me some ideas on trades about the only guys I wanna keep is melo, fields, and chandler.

4. Next I'm not really sure how to rebuild the pistons or raptors so how should I do that?

5. Lastly what do you with the cavs in FA

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Yeah let's get this thread going guys come on alright so I got a few questions ok

1. Should I keep Eric Gordon with the hornets bc with Anthony Davis and there guards they should be playoff material not championship yet.

2. What the heck should I do with Dwight Howard I would honestly like to put him with the Brooklyn nets and dwill I think that would make like I modern athletic version of Stockton and Malone. However I like to keep realism.

3. I honestly hate the Knicks is roster please shoot me some ideas on trades about the only guys I wanna keep is melo, fields, and chandler.

4. Next I'm not really sure how to rebuild the pistons or raptors so how should I do that?

5. Lastly what do you with the cavs in FA

I personally like to keep things OCD realistic (or as much as I can) so what I have done to set up for this offseason is go to every team's message board and take notes on what each team is probably looking to do this offseason. Anyway, here is my input on your questions:

1. With the Hornets, you need to buyout Rashard Lewis for 13 million. They are planning to match any offer for Gordon as far as I can tell, and quite frankly why wouldn't they? They have plenty of cap space this year and a brand new owner who wants to win. Outside of Davis they should be looking PG and SF in the draft. Outside of that they probably won't look to make major moves unless something falls in their laps.

2. Dwight Howard is an enigma for me as well. The bottom line is that the Nets don't have the right trade pieces to get the deal done because they seriously lack assets. Thus, a third team MUST be involved for the deal to keep any realism (especially with the Nets having no first rounder this year). The Knicks would probably like to get Howard but all signs point to Orlando, Brooklyn and LA Lakers as being the only likely destinations for a Howard trade, with Houston being the only team that would be willing to take him without an extension. The other wildcard is Dallas, who would take him without an extension in place ONLY if they can sign Deron Williams this offseason.

Honestly my plan will be to put together the best offer I can from each likely team (Brooklyn, L.A., Houston and Dallas if they get Deron) and see if there is anything that blows Orlando out of the water during the offseason. If not, I will likely have Dwight in Orlando until at least the trade deadline...at which point I will re-evaluate the market/see if Dwight wants to remain with the Magic.

A deal that is interesting me right now revolves around Howard to BKN, Bynum to Orlando and Gasol to Houston...but the problem there is that rumor has it LA could just flip Bynum for Howard straight up anytime they want. Based on that. I see no reason why they would help BKN get the best player in the deal while also losing their two best assets when they could just keep Gasol and add Howard.

3. The problem with the Knicks is that they have basically no cap flexibility, even for a high revenue team. Because the Knicks chose to use the amnesty on Billups and not Stoudemire, they are pretty much handcuffed until he comes off the books. An arbitrator ruled that they can keep the bird rights to Lin, so I see him staying there too which further restrains their offseason flexibility. They will probably let Fields walk in FA (or attempt a sign and trade, but I doubt anybody would bite) and then look to add a veteran PG such as Andre Miller or Jason Kidd with their mid-level exception.

4. The problem with the Pistons is that IRL they are total *******. Also, they have wicked bad contracts that are handcuffing their cap situation right now. While I was doing my research I honestly saw no major moves coming from them this offseason. Joe Dumars is even so attached to Tayshaun Prince that he will probably be remaining in Detroit. Look for them to grab a big man with their first pick (somebody defensive minded to pair next to Monroe, who is allergic to playing defense. This is a great and likely landing spot for John Henson or Andre Drummond if he drops in your draft). They will probably fill their holes with "meh" FAs and amnesty Charlie V. I can see them simply biding time because Gordon has a player option after next year so they can either clear his cap hold or use him as trade bait because he will be a fat expiring contract.

With the Raptors, they are Steve Nash or bust this offseason. The good news for them is that Nash is more likely to sign there than anywhere besides Phoenix this offseason. 13 has publicly said that he is not chasing a ring, and that he would love the return north and play for Canada. The Raptors can offer him plenty of money and actually put a much nicer young, athletic team around him up there. They will also be looking to push hard for an athletic wing to pair with Nash, using their top pick (number 9, I think) as trade bait. Look for them to push for Rudy Gay, Andre Iguodala, Nicholas Batum (RFA), Danny Granger and Luol Deng this offseason. Also, you need to make sure that they sign Jonas Valanciunas because he will be over next year.

A side note about Nash: don't bother putting him on the Knicks or Heat, or any other super team next season. Word has come out that he has whittled the list down to three places: Phoenix, Toronto and Brooklyn if Deron leaves. That's it.

5. The Cavs aren't too likely to be major players this year in free agency for two reasons: 1. they are looking to continue adding young players that fit their rebuilding model using their FOUR draft picks and 2. none of the top free agents are interested in playing for Cleveland. Still, because they are going to end up with either MKG or Barnes in the draft (word is they will be taking Barnes), look for an experienced SG who can play well off the ball to pair with Irving. They could also use a C even though they LOVE Varejao.

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Now my question: Has anybody worked out a good way to figure out the budget for each team. Sure every team works within the same salary floor, salary cap and luxury tax line but not every team uses all of the cap space that they have available.

I was thinking of using a system that bases each team's available revenue based on team expectations, W/L record from previous year weighted by size of the market and/or whether or not the are a Low Revenue, Mid Revenue or High Revenue team. But I wanted to see if anybody else has put thought into this.

[JJJones135]

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Now my question: Has anybody worked out a good way to figure out the budget for each team. Sure every team works within the same salary floor, salary cap and luxury tax line but not every team uses all of the cap space that they have available.

I was thinking of using a system that bases each team's available revenue based on team expectations, W/L record from previous year weighted by size of the market and/or whether or not the are a Low Revenue, Mid Revenue or High Revenue team. But I wanted to see if anybody else has put thought into this.

I like the idea but what bout a team like the nets they don't have a great record or that much revenue they will in the new stadium with the hype for a year or two yet there owner is willing to throw money at anything to help the team no matter how much and what bout teams like the celtics who will be rebuilding soon whos revenue will drop? So it's not as easy as I would hope

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Just finished my first draft day trade: Tyreke Evans and the #5 pick to the Bobcats for the #2 pick, Corey Maggette's expiring contract and a future 2nd.

Sacramento is shopping Evans right now and they LOVE MKG. Since Cleveland very much likes MKG as well and they sit one spot ahead of the Kings, basically the Kings are trading Evans for a guarantee that they will get their guy.

For Charlotte, will likely end up drafting Thomas Robinson and they can do that at #5 because Washington will take Beal and Cleveland will take Barnes (or so the strong rumors say right now). This means that the Bobcats end up with the guy they probably would have taken anyway in T-Rob and they gain another young asset in the process.

Some might argue that the Kings are selling Tyreke a bit low here, but they really have no need for Tyreke if they bring in MKG and the latter will be far better for the locker room. They desperately crave some leadership and maturity and while Tyreke gives them neither MKG gives them both. They also add a future second and Maggette's contract, which could be useful at the trading deadline in adding another asset from a team who is looking to cut costs.


EDIT: I will just go ahead and post all of my draft trades here.

Trade #2: Portland trades #6 to Detroit for #9 and #44.

Just a minor trade here but this allows Detroit to jump ahead of Golden State to draft their top target Andre Drummond. Played around with the idea of moving Iggy for the 6th pick but Portland loves Lillard and he won't make it past the 10th pick and New Orleans because they are high on him as well. With 6 being a bit too high to take Lillard and the Pistons wanting Drummond, this seems like a good deal for both teams.

I am finishing the rest of the draft tomorrow afternoon. Will post the rest of my trades and such then.

[JJJones135]

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I think you shoulda got D.J Augustine out of that bc the kings have been lacking a solid guard for quite sometime since hubby left way back. Why would you get magette when Sacramento has so many forwards and guards (2,3)? Good trade though

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I ended up restarting the draft. Here is where I stand after the first 10 picks:

1. New Orleans: PF Anthony Davis, Kentucky

Charlotte trades #2 to Cleveland for #4 and #24.

Why: Charlotte can still grab Thomas Robinson or Harrison Barnes with the 4th pick and they add another strong asset as the end of the first round has lots of value in this draft. Cleveland leapfrogs Washington to get their top guy Bradley Beal.

2. Cleveland (from CHA): SG Bradley Beal, Florida
3. Washington: SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky
4. Charlotte (from CLE): PF Thomas Robinson, Kansas

Sacramento trades #5 to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala and #15.

Why: Sacramento is trying desperately to trade down in the days leading up to the NBA draft. Philadelphia would love to move up into the top 10 while also cutting a major salary. With the middle of the first round having a ton of value in this draft, the Kings are able to land the veteran leader at SF that they covet while also adding another asset while the Sixers are able to move into the top ten and grab either Drummond or Barnes while saving about 30 million dollars over the next two years.

5. Philadelphia (via SAC): SF Harrison Barnes, North Carolina
6. Portland (from BK): PG Damian Lillard, Weber State
7. Golden State: C Andre Drummond, Syracuse
8. Toronto: SG Dion Waiters, Syracuse
9. Detroit: PF John Henson, North Carolina
10. Houston (from MIN via LAC and NO): C Meyers Leonard, Illinois

New Orleans trades #10, #46 and Jarrett Jack for Kyle Lowry, Chase Budinger and #14.

Why: Houston would really love to move into the top 10 in this draft to grab a C or SG, or use the pick to make a 11th hour deal for Dwight Howard (who they would take without an extension). New Orleans has been working hard to move out of the number 10 spot in order to acquire more assets to put around #1 pick Anthony Davis. It is known that Kyle Lowry wants out of Houston because he doesn't feel like he can coexist with McHale and with this trade the Rockets unload that problem while adding a serviceable player in Jack. Budinger was added to sweeten the deal and fill an outside shooting void for New Orleans.

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Here are the next 10 picks in the draft:

Portland trades #11 to Indiana for Darren Collison

Why: Indiana has reportedly already offered this deal to Portland. The thinking behind this trade is that Indiana needs outside scoring so they could take a guy like Rivers or (more likely) Jeremy Lamb. Portland needs a young PG to go with their rebuilding model and Collison has already shown that he can produce in the NBA and yet he is still young and has room to grow. Collison has fallen out of favor in Indiana and they seem to be ready to move head with George Hill as the starter for next season.

11. Indiana (from POR): SG Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut
12. Milwaukee: C Tyler Zeller, North Carolina
13. Phoenix: PG Kendall Marshall, North Carolina
14. New Orleans (via HOU): SF Moe Harkless, St. John's

Sacramento trades #15, #36 and a top-12 protected 2013 first to Orlando for Jameer Nelson, #19 and #49

Why: Orlando wants to move up in the draft in order to grab a SG or C but they lack the major assets (besides Howard, of course) needed to move into the top 10. With this trade they accomplish the goals of moving up in the draft and shedding salary while also throwing in the added bonus of a future first from Sacramento to go along with a pick swap in the second round that moves Orlando up 13 picks and into a prime value position in this draft. For Sacramento, they crave veteran leadership and outside shooting, so given that I believe that they can call this draft a huge success. Basically they turned the #5th and 36th picks in this draft and a future 1st into Andre Iguodala, Jameer Nelson, #19 and #49. In addition, Sacramento really had nobody that they were crazy about at #15 who wouldn't probably still be there at #19.

15. Orlando (from PHI via SAC): SG Austin Rivers, Duke
16. Houston (from NY): C Jared Sullinger, Ohio State
17. Dallas: PF Terrence Jones, Kentucky

Timberwolves trade #18 (ATL) and Luke Ridnour (BOS), Atlanta trades #23 (MIN) and Marvin Williams (MIN), Boston trades #51 (MIN)

Why: Atlanta would like to jump ahead of a few other teams here and grab much-coveted late round prospect Fab Melo. In the process they are also able to shed the salary of Marvin Williams, achieving the goal of cutting some salary this offseason while also (likely) being able to retain F Josh Smith. For Boston, they add a bargain player who can back up Rondo for the low cost of a late second rounder. Minnesota adds a young forward to replace Michael Beasley in exchange for moving down 5 spots.

18. Atlanta (from UTA via MIN): C Fab Melo, Syracuse
19. Sacramento (from ORL): PF Perry Jones, Baylor
20. Denver: C Arnett Moultrie, Mississippi State

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Ok, here is the rest of the first round:

21. Boston: SF Royce White, Iowa State

Boston trades #23 to GS for #30 and #52

Simple pick swap that allows Golden State to grab one of the slipping mid-round forwards while Boston adds another pick.

22. Golden State (from LAC via OKC and BOS): SF Quincy Miller, Baylor
23. Minnesota (from ATL): SF Terrence Ross, Washington
24. Charlotte (from LAL via CLE): SG Evan Fourneir, Inernational

Grizzlies trade #25 and Zach Randolph (DEN), Denver trades Al Harrington (MEM), Wilson Chandler (DET) and #38 (MEM), Detroit trades #44 (MEM)

Why: Memphis is desperate to shed salary and after several attempts to dump Rudy Gay to move up in the draft they use their first round pick to move the contract of Zach Randolph. In this trade the Grizzlies also add two second round picks (with non-guaranteed contracts) and Al Harrington, who could help the Grizzlies spread the floor and also improve their three point shooting. Denver adds a strong low post scorer while shedding the contract of Wilson Chandler and adding a late first round pick. Because they are able to move Chandler to Detroit, Denver only ends up adding about 4 million in salary even though they are taking on Zach Randolph. Detroit adds a competent wing player who can defend and hit the three either off the bench or in the starting lineup.

25. Denver (from MEM): SF Jeff Taylor, Vanderbilt
26. Indiana: C Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt

Miami trades #27 to Orlando for #36 and Cash Considerations

Why: Miami is unlikely to use it's first round pick because of the guaranteed salary that is attached. Orlando is able to jump back into the first round pick pick up Tyshawn Taylor to replace Jameer Nelson, who was traded to the Kings earlier in the first round.

27. Orlando (from Miami): PG Tyshawn Taylor, Kansas

Oklahoma City trades #28 to New York for #48 and Cash Considerations

Why: Oklahoma City already has a nearly full roster under guaranteed contracts so adding a second round player on a non-guaranteed contract makes sense for them. New York jumps up many spots to grab one of the many role players still available.

28. New York (from OKC): PF Andrew Nicholson, St. Bonaventure

Chicago trades #29 and Luol Deng to Utah for a 2013 lottery protected first and Devin Harris

After failing to move Deng for a lottery pick this year, Chicago needs to get under the tax line and with this trade they are able to save about 18 million (5 million in 12-13 and 13 million in 13-14). Also, Chicago is able fill the void left by an injured Derrick Rose by bringing in Harris, who not only can fill in for/back up Rose but also has an expiring contract. Utah would also love to get back into the first round of this draft after losing their pick to Atlanta.

29. Utah (from CHI): PG Marquis Teague, Kentucky
30. Boston (from SA via GS): C Miles Plumlee, Duke

[JJJones135]

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Ok, here is the rest of the first round:

21. Boston: SF Royce White, Iowa State

Boston trades #23 to GS for #30 and #52

Simple pick swap that allows Golden State to grab one of the slipping mid-round forwards while Boston adds another pick.

22. Golden State (from LAC via OKC and BOS): SF Quincy Miller, Baylor
23. Minnesota (from ATL): SF Terrence Ross, Washington
24. Charlotte (from LAL via CLE): SG Evan Fourneir, Inernational

Grizzlies trade #25 and Zach Randolph (DEN), Denver trades Al Harrington (MEM), Wilson Chandler (DET) and #38 (MEM), Detroit trades #44 (MEM)

Why: Memphis is desperate to shed salary and after several attempts to dump Rudy Gay to move up in the draft they use their first round pick to move the contract of Zach Randolph. In this trade the Grizzlies also add two second round picks (with non-guaranteed contracts) and Al Harrington, who could help the Grizzlies spread the floor and also improve their three point shooting. Denver adds a strong low post scorer while shedding the contract of Wilson Chandler and adding a late first round pick. Because they are able to move Chandler to Detroit, Denver only ends up adding about 4 million in salary even though they are taking on Zach Randolph. Detroit adds a competent wing player who can defend and hit the three either off the bench or in the starting lineup.

25. Denver (from MEM): SF Jeff Taylor, Vanderbilt
26. Indiana: C Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt

Miami trades #27 to Orlando for #36 and Cash Considerations

Why: Miami is unlikely to use it's first round pick because of the guaranteed salary that is attached. Orlando is able to jump back into the first round pick pick up Tyshawn Taylor to replace Jameer Nelson, who was traded to the Kings earlier in the first round.

27. Orlando (from Miami): PG Tyshawn Taylor, Kansas

Oklahoma City trades #28 to New York for #48 and Cash Considerations

Why: Oklahoma City already has a nearly full roster under guaranteed contracts so adding a second round player on a non-guaranteed contract makes sense for them. New York jumps up many spots to grab one of the many role players still available.

28. New York (from OKC): PF Andrew Nicholson, St. Bonaventure

Chicago trades #29 and Luol Deng to Utah for a 2013 lottery protected first and Devin Harris

After failing to move Deng for a lottery pick this year, Chicago needs to get under the tax line and with this trade they are able to save about 18 million (5 million in 12-13 and 13 million in 13-14). Also, Chicago is able fill the void left by an injured Derrick Rose by bringing in Harris, who not only can fill in for/back up Rose but also has an expiring contract. Utah would also love to get back into the first round of this draft after losing their pick to Atlanta.

29. Utah (from CHI): PG Marquis Teague, Kentucky
30. Boston (from SA via GS): C Miles Plumlee, Duke

That trade makes no sense on both sides. Why would Memphis want to get rid of the only reason they ever did anything in the playoffs and why would Denver go after a older forward when they have. Kenneth faried who is performing at higher levels than everyone except me thought he would. Why and the hell would the bulls get rid of dent they desperately need his offense at hopes for championship get rid of Hamilton to save salary dang

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That trade makes no sense on both sides. Why would Memphis want to get rid of the only reason they ever did anything in the playoffs and why would Denver go after a older forward when they have. Kenneth faried who is performing at higher levels than everyone except me thought he would. Why and the hell would the bulls get rid of dent they desperately need his offense at hopes for championship get rid of Hamilton to save salary dang

Memphis is looking to move Zach Randolph this offseason because they need to save money with Conley, Gay, Randolph and Gasol all on big contracts. They are even likely going to let Mayo walk simply because they cannot afford to keep him. Denver can now use a three big rotation with McGee (if they can re-sign him), Randolph and Faried. This way you can use Faried's energy as a weapon off the bench and he can still get big minutes since Zach Randolph can play center.

Deng is on the trade block, they are actively trying to trade him as we speak. The Chicago owner has mandated that his team cannot pay the luxury tax, especially not in a year when Rose is out. Deng is the most likely piece to move because nobody wants Rip or Boozer and they don't want to trade Noah or Taj Gibson.

[Colts18]

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Good stuff Edwrds

[Slyone14]

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In the first year of my 2k 30 team chise. I am controlling the bucks interested in acquiring ernes kanter from the jazz. They really need a pg and i have the perfect one who hates the bucks. I am thinking jennings and filler draft pick? for devin harris and ernes kanter. Is this fair, maybe not realistic, but fair? Of not how can i tweak it?

I really do think it is fair cause it gives the jazz a good scoring pg who has talent and maybe a future draft pick and filler to rebuild there team. Plis they are overloaded at center and pf pos. Jefferson and others are getting good playing time amd kanter is not. Also he iz struggling in utah so maybe a fresh start could help.

For me i get my young developing center and a decient pg for now.

Seems good all around.

[Colts18]

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Ed,

Question. I am still playing 2K12. I am in year 1. I am wondering if I should mirror the off-season of the real NBA or if I should just allow my association have it's own identity.

If I elect B, how do I go about making trades. Is there any system you use for manking trades. I don't know what I want to do here.

[acolbert]

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Sorry if this has been asked before, but why do you guys prefer to control 30 teams as opposed to one?

More control of rosters and such?