Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[chiliad]

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Not sure if this goes in the rosters section or here but I feel like the draft class is missing a lot of guys. Also Quincy Miller could use a little adjusting because he's pegged as a second rounder as of now and he's #14 as of now on Ford's Big Board. Now I know it's though deciding who will leave and stay etc. but some guys I think will most likely go are

-Meyers Leonard- don't think his stock can get much higher, probably a lottery pick. Think that makes him go

- Terrence Ross ^ same as above plus the SG crop on the draft class is painfully weak

- Tony Wroten Jr.- I could def see him staying but I think his stock will sky rocket at years end and he'll go.

- Patrick Young- 50/50 Imo so no big deal.

- Tony Mitchell- don't think he can gain much more from playing in the conference he's in. Think he's gone.

- Dion Waiters- Sophmore who's stock is rising.

- Will Barton- think he's gone for sure

- Andrew Nicholson- didn't even see him on draft class

Every guy you mentioned is in the 2013 class. Except Nicholson, who is in the 2012 class. And it's all very subjective. I tried to put in 80 prospects that I thought were sure-fire NBA draft prospects come June. I tried to use trends from past drafts to dictate how many freshmen, sophomores, juniors, seniors and international players should be in the draft, and I feel I did a good job of that.

With Meyers Leonard, every scout I've read basically says another year in college polishing his game will work wonders for him. And in my opinion 2013 is the year to be in the draft if you're a big man, as 2012 is absolutely loaded with frontcourt prospects. Before Nerlens Noel reclassified to 2012 this past weekend, I'm not sure there were any standout bigs among current high school seniors....at least none that are clearly head and shoulders above Leonard. Thus I put him in the 2013 class.

I left Wroten and Tony Mitchell (I assume you're talking North Texas Mitchell and not Alabama Mitchell) out of the 2012 class because that would have been a total of 9 freshmen in the class, which is a really high number. The record is 12 in 2008, but that was a ridiculously talented freshman class that featured the likes of Rose, Beasley, Love, Mayo, Gordon, Anthony Randolph, and Deandre Jordan among others. No discredit to the 2012 freshman class, I just don't feel it's as good as it was that season.

I won't go individually down the line and defend why each prospect you listed is instead in the 2013 class, because it's all entirely based on opinion. But just know I didn't randomly choose to leave those guys out of the 2012 class. There were reasons each was put in the 2013 class instead. A lot of that has to do with the fact that I wrapped up the 2012 class in early December. Obviously player stock is going to rise and fall between the start of the season and now, but no one wants to wait until March or April to start an association, thus I made a sort of executive decision to leave certain guys out of the 2012 class.

[volstopfan14]

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Same goes for the Knicks as Baron Davis is out with a broken back. I moved Lin to the starting PG slot but the Knicks could stand to a decent back-up that is a pure point(i.e. not Shumpert, he's good don't get me wrong, but not a long term solution for the PG problem). The problem I ran into with them is outside of Melo, Amare, and Chandler the rest of team is weak and the 'sellers' in my universe are already strong at postions that the Knicks have moveable players at. For example, I looked into trading D.J. Augustine from the Bobcats to the Knicks. But who would Charlotte take back? Renaldo Balkman seems like a likely trade candidate but what good is he for Charlotte really?

What about this trade with Augustin to NY?

CHA gets
Landry Fields
Renaldo Balkman

NY gets
D.J. Augustin

The Knicks get an answer at PG. I know they might want to keep Fields, but I think they value Shumpert more than him and Shumpert is really a SG. Bill Walker can also play SG and can replace Fields 3 point shooting. It also has been rumored that JR Smith could sign with the Knicks so that could help fill the hole that losing Fields creates. I think PG is much more important to D'Antoni's offense than a SG. The Bobcats get a guy who will already be their best wing player and who could be part of the long term plans. Balkman is just to make the salaries work. Is this fair?

[Dpauley23]

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What about this trade with Augustin to NY?

CHA gets
Landry Fields
Renaldo Balkman

NY gets
D.J. Augustin

The Knicks get an answer at PG. I know they might want to keep Fields, but I think they value Shumpert more than him and Shumpert is really a SG. Bill Walker can also play SG and can replace Fields 3 point shooting. It also has been rumored that JR Smith could sign with the Knicks so that could help fill the hole that losing Fields creates. I think PG is much more important to D'Antoni's offense than a SG. The Bobcats get a guy who will already be their best wing player and who could be part of the long term plans. Balkman is just to make the salaries work. Is this fair?

I thing Balkman really kills this trade. He's pretty awful and is pretty bad filler with his contract. I would do something like Augustin for Douglas, Fields and Jordan

[zay916]

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Why trade for Augustin when you could have Lin?

[chiliad]

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You guys must value D.J. Augustin a lot more than I do. I think he's an average NBA point guard at best. In my opinion, the Bobcats would have to send NY more than just Augustin to pry away Fields. Again, just my opinion, but I think the Knicks would be better off long term with waiting for a great PG via free agency or trade. I think the combo of Lin/a healthy Baron Davis/Iman Shumpert/Toney Douglas (while getting to keep a really good role player in Fields) is better than Augustin both this season and long term.

[zay916]

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I agree with chiliad, I see Augustin as more of a Jamal Crawford-type guy who can come off the bench and bring some instant offense.

[BasedTaylor]

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Ok, so I've decided that I'm going to have someone go crazy and outbid RFA Eric Gordon away from the Hornets. I'm thinking maybe the Celtics since they have a lot of cap room after Ray and KG left/let go. Or maybe the Cavs (haven't checked their salary numbers) or maybe even the Pacers, but I've already traded Kevin Martin to them for Granger (and a pick) and they (IND) drafted Terrence Ross in the 1st round so that seems unlikely.

Anyone have any good ideas for Eric Gordon?

[qpc123]

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Ok, so I've decided that I'm going to have someone go crazy and outbid RFA Eric Gordon away from the Hornets. I'm thinking maybe the Celtics since they have a lot of cap room after Ray and KG left/let go. Or maybe the Cavs (haven't checked their salary numbers) or maybe even the Pacers, but I've already traded Kevin Martin to them for Granger (and a pick) and they (IND) drafted Terrence Ross in the 1st round so that seems unlikely.

Anyone have any good ideas for Eric Gordon?

I've heard he wants to play for the Pacers since he's from(and went to college in) Indiana. However, since you already have Martin there I think Gordon would be a great fit for the Celtics. Rondo/Gordon/Pierce/Bass/and FA center X is still a pretty good team IMO, not a championship contender but definitely a playoff team in the East.

[BasedTaylor]

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I've heard he wants to play for the Pacers since he's from(and went to college in) Indiana. However, since you already have Martin there I think Gordon would be a great fit for the Celtics. Rondo/Gordon/Pierce/Bass/and FA center X is still a pretty good team IMO, not a championship contender but definitely a playoff team in the East.

Yeah, that's exactly how I'm feelin. I REALLY want to have him to go Indy and Martin does only have one year on his deal left. Maybe have Gordon go to Indy and let George Hill walk and use Gordon as the starting 2 and have him play a lot of PG to while having Martin come off the bench and be their points off the bench. I've also got Terrence Ross there to though so IDK a trade could be in order. In all likelihood though I'll have Gordon go to Boston. I've already had them sign Omar Asik.


Edit: I would have Gordon go to Indy and play a lot of PG but I've read a lot that Indy wants a true pass first PG.

[Comduklakis]

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My best advice for when you have teams close to get is only teams that have realistic shot at going far in the playoffs should really be acquiring players. As for teams already out of race, here are the players I would move: Ramon Sessions, Anderson Vareajo, Nick Young, Ronny Turiaf, and D.J. Augustin.

One interesting deal would be Ramon Sessions and Renaldo Balkman to Lakers, Steve Blake to Knicks, and Matt Barnes, Toney Douglas, and Jerome Jordan to Cavs.

Surprised to see someone suggesting Nick Young being moved. I thought the Wizards saw him as a long term piece. Is he not willing to re-up IRL or did I miss the Wizards not being interested in him? I actually did a contract extension with him in my year one of my association (I play the Pistons games) thinking he was in the no-brainer category like Love or Galinari.

On an unrelated note, is anyone editing Jeremy Lin's ratings higher in their association?

[bedwardsroy19]

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On an unrelated note, is anyone editing Jeremy Lin's ratings higher in their association?

After 3 games... (Not you by any means but) People on this site are giving me a stomach ache with the Lin talk.

These are all NBA players, they all should be capable of putting up those numbers on any given night. I know, given the right minutes, and with him as a 60 in my roster Lin can perform at the same level he is in real life. It wont happen every game, but he can do it.

He and Chandler are the only options on a team without Melo and Stat and their numbers will be extremely inflated until all four are on the same court in my opinion.

Personally, I think a player needs at least half a season before getting a significant bump. But I think playoffs are the truest measure of NBA players' skill. Its the only time they play defense lol...

All this aside, I'll be updated Lin again in my next update. Not because I am unhappy of how he is rated, but because I know everyone wants to see it.

[Comduklakis]

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After 3 games... (Not you by any means but) People on this site are giving me a stomach ache with the Lin talk.

These are all NBA players, they all should be capable of putting up those numbers on any given night. I know, given the right minutes, and with him as a 60 in my roster Lin can perform at the same level he is in real life. It wont happen every game, but he can do it.

He and Chandler are the only options on a team without Melo and Stat and their numbers will be extremely inflated until all four are on the same court in my opinion.

Personally, I think a player needs at least half a season before getting a significant bump. But I think playoffs are the truest measure of NBA players' skill. Its the only time they play defense lol...

All this aside, I'll be updated Lin again in my next update. Not because I am unhappy of how he is rated, but because I know everyone wants to see it.

Well I see both sides. On one hand three games certainly is a short sample and lest us forget Tony Delk once put up over 40 points in a game for the Kings, so any NBA player can on a given night get hot and go crazy.

That said, even after three games, I would suggest he has shown enough to bump him up in a few categories. He's actually only rated a 56 in my game (not sure if maybe you did an updated roster after I started my assocation, I downloaded your update from 1/22ish).

[bedwardsroy19]

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Well I see both sides. On one hand three games certainly is a short sample and lest us forget Tony Delk once put up over 40 points in a game for the Kings, so any NBA player can on a given night get hot and go crazy.

That said, even after three games, I would suggest he has shown enough to bump him up in a few categories. He's actually only rated a 56 in my game (not sure if maybe you did an updated roster after I started my assocation, I downloaded your update from 1/22ish).

Yeah I did. This past Sunday, this was before he even started playing well. I agree, thats why he's a 60 now.

Honestly 4 Overall points is a pretty big jump regardless of what ther former overall was. Not to mention a lot of stats that do not effect overall, but do effect gameplay were edted.

Sometmes players overall aren't always the best representation of ther skll both n real life and the game. Some people who had played a few games with him since the update told me he played very much in line with his real life counterpart.

Like I said though, I could see him getting a slight bump.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320111004

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320208027

Look at the starting point guard in both of these games against the Wizards

Not discrediting Lin, but I just can't justify it yet. Slight increase, for sure. But I am definitely happy with him at a 60 in the last update. I hope in the next one it will be even slightly more

[qpc123]

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I made a few tweeks to Lin but instead of changing the ratings I changed some his abilites, which gives him slight boost in overall. It's not the latest roster version of him since my association was started prior to B.Eds newest release, so I can't say what the abilites are set to on it. I basically turned most of the 'poor's' to average and gave him a couple 'good's' on some dribble moves to help him penetrate a little better.

Other than that it's way too soon to adjust ratings very far. Is he playing well? Yes. Have these past three games been against some of weaker defenses in league? Yes. Does he desevre to be rated in the 70's or 80's in overall(I know it's not the best way to decide how a good player is, but it's what to have to work with) like some people think. Not yet, maybe not ever, maybe very soon. Bottom line is the sample size is too small.

[h2oPr00f]

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keeping the ratings theme going, did anyone adjust Tyson Chandler at all?