50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

[CX1329]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

The problem with that play is that it should have been a block. Stuckey penetrated, the help defense came and the ball should have been swatted. In real life, it would have been a block, unless the real Stuckey is capable of making the ball morph through someone else. 2K advertised the live ball physics, and when the user has the ball, it works. However, when the CPU has the ball, you see nonsense like that.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Your entire reasoning is just rationalization. Like I said, I can't argue that - it's pointless for both of us.

Dude dont bother...really. You see what they're trying to do dont you?? and a majority of this forum agrees that this game is very flawed in respect to what you and I are trying to say. And it will show in next yrs version because I highly doubt we'll see anything relatively close to the nonsense we see in 2k12. So do yourself a favor and save your breathe...

[Kid FSU]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Things like Stucky's layup happen for the user sometimes too, but you don't really care how you make a shot because you are so shocked the cpu didn't cheat. It's simple as this... If you want to enjoy the game, you will and you won't even notice half the problems that people point out... If you want to find every little thing that goes against what you do, then you'll never be happy. You'll be in the year 2054 wanting the game to come with a bball and a court.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Thats exactly it...each game the CPU plays perfect, never an off night(or game) not to mention possession. If the 2k12 is suppose to represent this, it's doing a poor jump because the CPUs players are suppose to behave as there human counterparts. And last I heard humans weren't perfect...

[Pared]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Things like Stucky's layup happen for the user sometimes too, but you don't really care how you make a shot because you are so shocked the cpu didn't cheat. It's simple as this... If you want to enjoy the game, you will and you won't even notice half the problems that people point out... If you want to find every little thing that goes against what you do, then you'll never be happy. You'll be in the year 2054 wanting the game to come with a bball and a court.

The irony that you're explaining this to me - you must not be paying attention to my posts.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

The irony that you're explaining this to me - you must not be paying attention to my posts.

It's almost comical reading these guys are saying. There's a reason no one from 2k has chime in on the issues...it's because thy know and have no solution for us other than to suck it up and wait for 2k13...

[stillfeelme]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

I don't think anyone expects perfection we just want a little more realism and less disabling me and my CPU teammates. I want a setting called "real" where the CPU doesn't get magical boosts and can hit 4 buzzer beaters a game consistently. Bad teams are not consistently bad or semi bad in his game and it is mainly due to turnovers. The CPU has been programed to be perfect which isn't real. The whole engine needs more realistic turnovers and a randomness factor.

[Pared]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

It's almost comical reading these guys are saying. There's a reason no one from 2k has chime in on the issues...it's because thy know and have no solution for us other than to suck it up and wait for 2k13...

Or they're too busy working on a game that will be released in less than a year.

I have no issues with fluent or anyone enjoying the game as it is. But until they can show video proof I don't buy what they're experiencing as a realistic interpretation of basketball as most guys in the sim community wants. The guys that enjoyed 2k11, Inside Drive... those are the guys that know the CPU can be challenging without being ridiculous at the same time.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

And a good indication the CPU is about to cheat are when the light bulbs start flashing...

[fluent2332]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Or they're too busy working on a game that will be released in less than a year.

I have no issues with fluent or anyone enjoying the game as it is. But until they can show video proof I don't buy what they're experiencing as a realistic interpretation of basketball as most guys in the sim community wants. The guys that enjoyed 2k11, Inside Drive... those are the guys that know the CPU can be challenging without being ridiculous at the same time.

I'm not sure why you can't just take my word for it. I've been playing 2K basketball since 2K3 and video game basketball since Live '95 and I am about as diehard of a "sim head" as there is. I've been playing 2K because I felt it was the more realistic game between Live and 2K. And most years I've been playing 2K I felt I could get pretty accurate results that mimic a real NBA game. It's not exact, but it's pretty been pretty good. The guys who take shots from certain areas take shots from those areas, the guys who are supposed to rebound get rebounds, and the stats are on point, etc etc.

The difference this year is the challenge. There is also a high "random factor" just like real NBA games, where anybody on the court, from Eric Gordon to Emeka Okafor, can have a big game. It's a game that takes skill just to be competitive. But I don't feel the challenge negates the realism.

As I've said, everything that I have seen in the game could happen in a real NBA game. I played the Thunder last night without Durant who was injured. It was hell trying to keep Russ Westbrook out of the paint. He dominated and scored 30+ because I had no answer for him. I thought to myself, so this is how difficult it is to keep a guy like Westbrook out of the paint in real life! The guy is a beast. But I still won the game. And I won with smart play down the stretch. The old me would have folded and allowed the CPU to close me out in a close game, but the new me played with effort and focus and somehow got the W in a very ugly finish to the game.

But on All-Star, the computer is very smart, maybe too smart. Westbrook rarely pulled up for a mid range J. He just probed my defense for as much of the shot clock as he needed and then penetrated and made a play. So I thought, maybe the mid range tendencies could be increased a little bit to make up for that. He did take a few jumpers during the course of the game, but probably could have done with a few more really. But maybe I just didn't force him into enough jumpers.

But still, I got a realistic game of basketball out of the deal. The CPU and I both ran plays, got our good players the ball where they could be effective, etc. I run high post plays with Lee and hit cutters with him. When I'm in trouble I isolate Ellis, Curry, or Lee in the post. I run Pn'R plays for Curry and Ellis and attack the rim, or get to an open spot on the floor and pull up, or swing the ball around for an open 3. I run mid range and 3 point plays for Curry and Wright and my bench shooters. Sometimes I hit Ellis or Curry in the post against smaller guards. I hit Dorell Wright in the corner for 3's in transition. I feel I play pretty close (as close as the game allows) to the real life GS Warriors. And I feel the CPU plays pretty close to how the other teams play in real life.

I don't think anyone expects perfection we just want a little more realism and less disabling me and my CPU teammates. I want a setting called "real" where the CPU doesn't get magical boosts and can hit 4 buzzer beaters a game consistently. Bad teams are not consistently bad or semi bad in his game and it is mainly due to turnovers. The CPU has been programed to be perfect which isn't real. The whole engine needs more realistic turnovers and a randomness factor.

There is a huge random factor in the engine. Guys like Bellinelli, or Nick Young, Or All Harrington, can drop 30 on you if you sleep on them. That's the X factor. There could probably be more CPU turnovers, I'll give you that, but most of the time you have to force them yourself, either by stripping a ballhandler down low or playing passing lanes, etc.

Also, last time I checked, this is the NBA, where all 400+ guys are professional athletes. ANY team can beat ANY team on ANY given night. NBA 2K12 reflects that. Bad teams can get wins too if you aren't on your A game. Guys like Corey Maggette can score 30 on you and will their team to a victory if you aren't extremely careful. Also, you have to get a little lucky too. Just like in real life!!! You have to get lucky that players don't hit tough shots over your D, or just hit shots in general, etc. There is no fool proof way to win a game in the current NBA. Even the Bobcats can get wins if you don't execute your gameplan.

[nova91]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

And a good indication the CPU is about to cheat are when the light bulbs start flashing...

And when the CPU puts up some random shot you see their whole team stop what they're doing, turn a 180 and head back up the court.

[CX1329]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Also, last time I checked, this is the NBA, where all 400+ guys are professional athletes. ANY team can beat ANY team on ANY given night. NBA 2K12 reflects that. Bad teams can get wins too if you aren't on your A game. Guys like Corey Maggette can score 30 on you and will their team to a victory if you aren't extremely careful. Also, you have to get a little lucky too. Just like in real life!!! You have to get lucky that players don't hit tough shots over your D, or just hit shots in general, etc. There is no fool proof way to win a game in the current NBA. Even the Bobcats can get wins if you don't execute your gameplan.

Your NBA must not be the same NBA I watch. Sure, NBA teams can have their lucky days, but NBA teams can also stink up the joint. Sometimes, a team will play the worst defense possible, and the opposing team will still find a way to shoot 30% and turn the ball over 53 times. Just read Basketbawful a little and you'll see what I'm talking about. In 2K12, that doesn't happen, the AI doesn't have horrible days.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

I'm not sure why you can't just take my word for it. I've been playing 2K basketball since 2K3 and video game basketball since Live '95 and I am about as diehard of a "sim head" as there is. I've been playing 2K because I felt it was the more realistic game between Live and 2K. And most years I've been playing 2K I felt I could get pretty accurate results that mimic a real NBA game. It's not exact, but it's pretty been pretty good. The guys who take shots from certain areas take shots from those areas, the guys who are supposed to rebound get rebounds, and the stats are on point, etc etc.

The difference this year is the challenge. There is also a high "random factor" just like real NBA games, where anybody on the court, from Eric Gordon to Emeka Okafor, can have a big game. It's a game that takes skill just to be competitive. But I don't feel the challenge negates the realism.

As I've said, everything that I have seen in the game could happen in a real NBA game. I played the Thunder last night without Durant who was injured. It was hell trying to keep Russ Westbrook out of the paint. He dominated and scored 30+ because I had no answer for him. I thought to myself, so this is how difficult it is to keep a guy like Westbrook out of the paint in real life! The guy is a beast. But I still won the game. And I won with smart play down the stretch. The old me would have folded and allowed the CPU to close me out in a close game, but the new me played with effort and focus and somehow got the W in a very ugly finish to the game.

But on All-Star, the computer is very smart, maybe too smart. Westbrook rarely pulled up for a mid range J. He just probed my defense for as much of the shot clock as he needed and then penetrated and made a play. So I thought, maybe the mid range tendencies could be increased a little bit to make up for that. He did take a few jumpers during the course of the game, but probably could have done with a few more really. But maybe I just didn't force him into enough jumpers.

But still, I got a realistic game of basketball out of the deal. The CPU and I both ran plays, got our good players the ball where they could be effective, etc. I run high post plays with Lee and hit cutters with him. When I'm in trouble I isolate Ellis, Curry, or Lee in the post. I run Pn'R plays for Curry and Ellis and attack the rim, or get to an open spot on the floor and pull up, or swing the ball around for an open 3. I run mid range and 3 point plays for Curry and Wright and my bench shooters. Sometimes I hit Ellis or Curry in the post against smaller guards. I hit Dorell Wright in the corner for 3's in transition. I feel I play pretty close (as close as the game allows) to the real life GS Warriors. And I feel the CPU plays pretty close to how the other teams play in real life.



There is a huge random factor in the engine. Guys like Bellinelli, or Nick Young, Or All Harrington, can drop 30 on you if you sleep on them. That's the X factor. There could probably be more CPU turnovers, I'll give you that, but most of the time you have to force them yourself, either by stripping a ballhandler down low or playing passing lanes, etc.

Also, last time I checked, this is the NBA, where all 400+ guys are professional athletes. ANY team can beat ANY team on ANY given night. NBA 2K12 reflects that. Bad teams can get wins too if you aren't on your A game. Guys like Corey Maggette can score 30 on you and will their team to a victory if you aren't extremely careful. Also, you have to get a little lucky too. Just like in real life!!! You have to get lucky that players don't hit tough shots over your D, or just hit shots in general, etc. There is no fool proof way to win a game in the current NBA. Even the Bobcats can get wins if you don't execute your gameplan.

Wooow!...you must believe in the Easter bunny and Santa Claus. Either that or you're playing a completely different game from anyone on this forum. Smh, lol...

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Your NBA must not be the same NBA I watch. Sure, NBA teams can have their lucky days, but NBA teams can also stink up the joint. Sometimes, a team will play the worst defense possible, and the opposing team will still find a way to shoot 30% and turn the ball over 53 times. Just read Basketbawful a little and you'll see what I'm talking about. In 2K12, that doesn't happen, the AI doesn't have horrible days.

That's the point were trying to get across. He's trying to say players other than himself are so bad or unaware how to play this game and we know so little compared to him. That's why 95% of these readers feel the game is a cheatf-festival and this was the ONLY way 2k could make the CPU competitive til next release. I've never done this before but if a patch is not released to soften the CPU cheating then I will be waiting to here first bou the game before purchasing. Or I'll buy used...

[stillfeelme]

Re: 50 Ways to Beat the CPU or Become a Better 2K Player Overall, by Sovartus

Fluent

Don't let me spoil the game for you. If it plays incredible in your eyes that is your opinion. I feel the CPU is playing above their level consistently to a point where the ratings hardly matter. It is really noticed playing against the lower tier teams.