Small Time Trades in Association

[BigMoShow]

I gave up Ronnie brewer and a pick for Brandon rush...yes brewer is great D but awful shooter...Brandon rush is an extremely great shooter of you master his release( I've done it). I thought it was a great pick up bc the bulls are a great Team with D without him

[b2th3m1th]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

Have you ever seen Chuck Hayes play? He's got better defensive fundamentals than 95% of anyone in the league. He's also a solid rebounder and a team leader off the bench. In no way, shape, or former worse than Andris Biedrins.

Is that why no one wanted to sign him this year? and settled for Sac because they weren't resigning Dalembert. Biedrins is a starter in this league Hayes is not and only started in 09-10 because Yao got injured. Is Biedrins ever gonna be a top notch scorer? no but he is a serviceable starter which makes him more valuable and better player than Chuck Hayes.
One reason why you think Chuck Hayes is so good is because he plays limited minutes. If he had to play 30+ minutes a game he would be exposed big time.

[Slyone14]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

I quess we will agree to disagree. Lol, no point, i am not dissgreeing with u. I am looking at the perspective from the fact that in his year tt is 24 now so 25 then. And his numbers will continue to improve. The man has 5 years younger than granger.

Now next year granger will be 29 in game his time. This means, he wont get better and continue to improve like.

I dont know, i entirely see ur point though, pacers are looking for talent now. So u are correct there, so i cant disagree with anything. Though i think tt woumd be better on a rebuilding team. So i agree man. I just love thomas game. And he will only get better

[gfunkadelphia]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

chuck hayes > andris beidrins

[fluent2332]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

the thing about the Biedrins/Wright for Salmons/Hayes trade that doesn't make sense to me is that its inconsiquentual. You're just swapping bad contracts and almost no upgrade at any position.

To me a trade should makes sense to both teams. Get rid of a bad contract, swap a defensive wing player for a rebounder, things of that nature.

By comparison:
Wright: 3 pt. marksman, gives you minmal defense.
Biedrins: Rebounder, decent defender, poor to no offense.

Salmons: 3 pt. threat, decent inside/outside offense, slow defender.
Hayes: Great rebounder and defensive player, but 6'6" and not Barkley on offense.

Sure, it is a video game, but if you're trying to take into account real life scenarios you might as well take into account all of the factors.

Im not critisizing the op's desire to run his association the way he wants, you paid your $60 just like everyone else.

But it's more realistic to swap bad contracts then it is to dump a contract on a team. No one else is going to take on Biedrin's contract unless they get something decent in return.

And I don't see how this doesn't make sense for both teams? Kings get younger (not that need to get any younger, but Wright is still young and has some upside - Biedrins if he can get his head back in the game can still be good) and another center on their roster (Cousins and Whiteside are the only centers on the Kings currently), Warriors get more dynamic offensively (Salmons is not only a better offensive player than Wright but he's a better overall playmaker), get a big boost in rebounding and defense which they desperately need, and upgrade 2 starting positions. Kings also save some money long term by dumping Hayes multi-year contract for Wright's very good contract.

I dunno, maybe it's me, but I think it makes sense for both teams. I could be wrong though but that's just how I see it.

[BasedTaylor]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

I quess we will agree to disagree. Lol, no point, i am not dissgreeing with u. I am looking at the perspective from the fact that in his year tt is 24 now so 25 then. And his numbers will continue to improve. The man has 5 years younger than granger.

Now next year granger will be 29 in game his time. This means, he wont get better and continue to improve like.

I dont know, i entirely see ur point though, pacers are looking for talent now. So u are correct there, so i cant disagree with anything. Though i think tt woumd be better on a rebuilding team. So i agree man. I just love thomas game. And he will only get better

1. Thomas is good, but he'll never average more then 14 ppg IRL... I guess if you don't do manual roster updates after season 1 he could get more idk? I do every player over after every season though to keep it realistic and if Thomas is averaging more then 15, something's wrong, sorry.

2. Granger is viewed as far more valuable around the NBA (once again IRL) it's your game, you can do whatever trade you like, but a straight up trade is highway robbery of IND.

3. IND is NOT rebuilding, they were but look at them now. Bird has done an amazing job managing contracts and getting good young talent. They're more one piece away then rebuilding now.


4. You're basing your stuff to much off what 2k's horrible logic says. I use BEd's roster's with my own touch and like I said I redo roster ratings a lot during Association so I just go by what I think would happen IRL.

[BasedTaylor]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

Does anyone have any good ideas for

1.Borias Diaw

2.Prince (if it's doable)

3.Jose Calderon

4.Sessions (thinking LAL)

5.Beasley

6.A way to upgrade the PG for Portland or maybe also add another BIG

[Slyone14]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

1. Thomas is good, but he'll never average more then 14 ppg IRL... I guess if you don't do manual roster updates after season 1 he could get more idk? I do every player over after every season though to keep it realistic and if Thomas is averaging more then 15, something's wrong, sorry.

2. Granger is viewed as far more valuable around the NBA (once again IRL) it's your game, you can do whatever trade you like, but a straight up trade is highway robbery of IND.

3. IND is NOT rebuilding, they were but look at them now. Bird has done an amazing job managing contracts and getting good young talent. They're more one piece away then rebuilding now.


4. You're basing your stuff to much off what 2k's horrible logic says. I use BEd's roster's with my own touch and like I said I redo roster ratings a lot during Association so I just go by what I think would happen IRL.

After closer examination and further research i am going to man up and say you are correct and it would be a bad trade. I was off in my thinking and looking at more a youth perspective, but you are again right in saying pacers need talent now, not really youth!

[brooks_thompson]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

As a Memphis dude, i can't recommend tony allen & darrell arthur enough. Arthur is an ideal 3rd big, just a classic power forward.

I had to pull the trigger on a mayo trade at the deadline; was 3 games out of 8th and i'm not payin him big money. I gave him and a 1st to Indiana for paul george & never looked back. Was worried about redundancy with gay, but you cant beat conley/allen/gay/george on the wings. Fast hands. Bout to start POs as a 5 seed v. POR!

[brooks_thompson]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

Oh, and i just had to because MIN traded Beasley for D Collison..got Rubio for Speights, Young & a 1st.

Conley/Rubio
Allen/George
Gay/George
Randolph/Arthur
Gasol/Arthur

Now THAT'S an unbelievable 8-man playoff rotation.

[brooks_thompson]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

Now i'm ramblin, i'll take it to the Assoc thread, but Def gonna make a rubio/randolph/gasol for howard offer if this team don't win.

[qpc123]

Re: Small Time Trades in Association

Does anyone have any good ideas for

1.Borias Diaw

2.Prince (if it's doable)

3.Jose Calderon

4.Sessions (thinking LAL)

5.Beasley

6.A way to upgrade the PG for Portland or maybe also add another BIG

1. No ideas, can't see why anyone would Diaw at this point.

2. ESPN insider article I saw had Prince in a swap for Beasley straight up, you could always add to it though

3. No ideas for Jose at this time.

4. I moves Sessions to the Lakers in a 3 team deal that landed Toney Douglas in Cleveland and Steve Blake in N.Y.

5. See #2

6. I kinda want to get Nash to Portland since he's from the Northwest but I haven't tried to work it out yet, so I don't have specifics.