youtube video - this time it's bad layup animations (more examples to come later)

[blues rocker]

One of the annoying things in 2k12 are the bad layup animations. Rather than doing a quick layup animation that makes sense, the game often forces your player to stop and plant his feet, and your player will get sucked toward the nearest defender...seemingly just so the game can force you into a contested shot and a miss. this is the opposite of control and the opposite of choice. this totally defeats the purpose of the shot stick. why even have the shot stick if the game is just going to ignore my controller input and suck me into defenders no matter what direction i press? You would think that the most basic concept regarding the shot stick would work, that concept being: when you move the shot stick right, your player goes right on the layup. when driving and doing layups, you would think that your player would do a layup that makes him avoid the defender as much as possible (like using his right hand when the defender is on his left side)...but instead, it appears 2k's goal with layups is to force your player to move TOWARDS defenders as much as possible so that you often get blocked or contested when you should've had a clean, easy layup.


In this first video you see an example of 2k12's frustrating layup animations. I'm driving to the hoop and I press the shot stick to the right because the right side of the rim is open...BUT my player ignores my controller input - instead of smoothly going right, he plants his feet and he's sucked to the left and toward the defender...and the layup is blocked. What should've been an easy score with his right hand became an awkward stopping left-side layup.
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In this second video you see another example of 2k12's often overly-long and inappropriate layup animations. In this clip the ball handler has an easy opportunity to do an explosive, quick layup off the glass with his right hand. Instead he is forced into an overly-long double clutch animation at the front of the rim, which allows defenders to come over and affect the shot.
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In this third clip the ball handler has an opportunity to smoothly go to the right side of the rim and do an easy moving layup off the glass with is right hand. Instead he plants his feet and stops driving for no reason and does a strange left-handed floater which allows the defender to get in front of him and contest. It often feels like the game forces the player to do an inappropriate layup which causes him to plant his feet and stop driving just so he can be sucked closer to the defender and contested, when he should've done a normal "moving layup" and gotten a clean score.
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I'll be adding more video examples later in the thread as I get them uploaded.


UPDATE, 8/14/2012 - adding these newer vids to the original post:
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[beast10]

Re: youtube video - this time it's bad layup animations (more examples to come later)

Yea these are all extreamly annoying.

[BasedTaylor]

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Great examples!! 2K def needs to work on this issue!!!

[LookItsOP]

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Finally someone else noticed this. It makes it so I can't drive to the hoop with Rondo or Paul, and I always play with the Celtics online, so I lose when I drive with Rondo.

[daveberg]

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Layups are terrible in this years game.

2k11 was far superior in that department. The stupid contact bumps that lead to that god awful bunny shot instead of a crisp layup or double clutch in 2k12 are rapidly becoming a big issue for me.

[it0216]

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Completely agree. Im just curious, has anybody ever been able to take over a game with a point guard? I feel like this game so far has made it very difficult to abuse a poor matchup or take your man one-on-one. I may be wrong as I am fairly new to 2k12 but I never struggled with this in 2k11. Don't get me wrong, I still love this game, but hope someone can help me start maximizing the abilities of my start pg.

[VDusen04]

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Here are some more examples.

Nice pick up by Pippen on the break. Ron Harper's got a sea of openness to his right side. It's a smooth, uncontested layup for a quick two points. Or wait, nevermind. It's left handed jump hook into the defender. Word.

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Here's Bill Walton leaving himself susceptible to a move on the baseline. Laimbeer's clearly going to take advantage with the first step and finish strong off the glass for .. . .whoawaiiiiit a minute nope. He decided to cease all initial momentum and cut back through Walton's arms for the most difficult layup attempt possible.

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[blues rocker]

Re: youtube video - this time it's bad layup animations (more examples to come later)

Here are some more examples.

Nice pick up by Pippen on the break. Ron Harper's got a sea of openness to his right side. It's a smooth, uncontested layup for a quick two points. Or wait, nevermind. It's left handed jump hook into the defender. Word.


Here's Bill Walton leaving himself susceptible to a move on the baseline. Laimbeer's clearly going to take advantage with the first step and finish strong off the glass for .. . .whoawaiiiiit a minute nope. He decided to cease all initial momentum and cut back through Walton's arms for the most difficult layup attempt possible.

B.S., right? I don't know why this was done in 2k12. 2k11's layups felt pretty right, but now it seems the game just wants to force you into bad layup animations every chance it gets. the game often doesn't give you the correct layup animation for the situation, and the game often gives you a layup animation that doesn't follow your shot stick direction.

in real life if a guard is driving to the rim and the right side of the rim is wide open and he has a defender on his left side...EVERY time that guard will use his right hand and go toward the right side of the rim in order to avoid the defender and get the best angle - common sense, right? in the real NBA this is a no-brainer. but in 2k12, the player usually executes the absolute dumbest layup animation for the situation - he often switches hands and goes TOWARD the defender rather than angling away from the defender.

it's like the players have no awareness in regards to where the defender is. if the defender is on his left, he should go right on the layup, and vice versa.

[funkworthy]

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Yeah I see this way more often than the other, opposite issue you were complaining about. When you got the step, you should beat the D. I get the magnetic force thing on O and D way too often. The players are kind of magnetized to each other.

Steve Nash has that sweet scoop quick release layup, and to 2k I say more of that please.

[NINJAK2]

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My biggest issue with this is that when the cpu does these layups they equate to the appropriate layups 85% of the time.

[blues rocker]

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uploading some more videos of bad/inappropriate layup animations (they're very common, haha).

Here's another bad contextual layup animation. When Durant catches the ball, you expect him to just continue forward and go all the way to the rim and do a normal layup. INSTEAD, he stops moving foward and jumps backward and AWAY from the rim, doing some weird, fade-away hook shot that is way too far from the hoop.
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Now this next one is REALLY SHADY. This particular clip really shines a light on the shady layup animations the game forces you into. Durant catches the ball and should just continue moving all the way to the rim and do a normal layup. INSTEAD, he stops moving forward and does a stupid floater way too far from the rim. it really looks like the game forces the player into this floater layup animation just so the defender can block the shot.
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Here Westbrook catches the ball and could easily lay the ball off the glass with his right hand, since the defender is on his left. INSTEAD, he uses his left hand (the hand closest to the defender) and he's sucked toward the defender rather than angling away from the defender on the layup.
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I know we've all had enough of this stupid layup animation - that slow, underhand scoop thing that players do all the time in this game. It totally stops your forward momentum, and it's slow as hell. You think your player is just going to smoothly go straight to the rim and do a quick layup - think again. Instead he does this monstrosity posing as a layup. Sure, he made the shot, but this layup animation is still just wrong.
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[LookItsOP]

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Playing with he Celtics, this ruins the entire game for me, no joke. It makes Rondo useless.

[blues rocker]

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Here's another example where the player should just continue forward and lay the ball over the rim, but INSTEAD he jumps away from the hoop and does a stupid hook shot which allows the defender to contest from behind. This should've been an easy layup - it really looks like an obvious attempt by the game to force your player to move backward just so the defender can contest from behind.
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This one is REALLY BAD. What should've been the easiest right-handed layup of all time turns into a horrible blocked hook shot. All he had to do was use his right hand to lay it off the glass. Instead he is sucked left and toward the defender so the defender can block this ridiculous hook shot attempt.
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[NINJAK2]

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it seems as if the CPU feels the need to stop your momentum on every pass received resulting in some of those awkward layups. 4 example if momentum allowed our players to take 1 or 2 forward dribbles after the receiving of a pass that could result in better outcomes in a few of those videos. unfortunately our players stop on a dime when getting passes 50% of time meaning we must push the stick forward again resulting in some slow starting forward dribble that allows d to recover.

[chrome_305]

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I don't see a problem in those videos as far as animations .Do you have the shot stick set to relative to the basket? Or the other option? If so that might be your problem.

In most of the videos you are trying to take contested layup in traffic against big men and expect no contact.It seems you also expect your guy to hurry up and make a lay-up in traffic when you clearly are not in the best position to attempt a easy lay-up.In other videos there are horrible pass attempts which should be stolen and horrible shot attempts that should not even have been attempted egassing with no feet on the ground.Try the pump fake and fake pass they do work.

I do understand that what your original post was implying, but I also think you need to understand how the game works.Then go play some 5 on 5 B-ball against some friends and see if you don't encounter some collision and rejections