Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

[mlp111]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

lerbon rated to high as well, he should be a 93-94 period, well thats what he will be rated in my game, wade should be probably a 89-90, kobe a 87, durant 91-92

[nova91]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

Don't mean to start an argument or anything, just curious as to why you would have him as low as a 91 or 92? What would you lower?

You have to decrease some of his physical attributes to start the season to account for the injuries at the end of last season. We won't truly know he'll perform when playing 33-39 mpg until the season starts. Speed, quickness, vertical, and strength all have to go down by some degree.

[mlp111]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

This Kobe vs wade debate is interesting I'll put in my two cents.


If Kobe was on a team like the heat his whole career would he be as enriched in the media and record books as he currently is ? I don't think so , Kobe for most of his career has had an amazing supporting cast and the numbers don't lie for wade he's right on par with Kobe .

Signed a third party ( I don't like either player )

good company for kobe, seeing the age difference, a lot of people forget the guy is old, and his name is still among younger players, Kobe is a true legend

[firerises]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

You have to decrease some of his physical attributes to start the season to account for the injuries at the end of last season. We won't truly know he'll perform when playing 33-39 mpg until the season starts. Speed, quickness, vertical, and strength all have to go down by some degree.

Oh ok that's fair, although I don't know if I would knock them down to the point where he's a 92 or 91 (coming from a 95), but I see what you're getting at.

[firerises]

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good company for kobe, seeing the age difference, a lot of people forget the guy is old, and his name is still among younger players, Kobe is a true legend

Of Course, he's a all-time great player and even to remain at this level (92 in 2k for me, top 6-8 in the entire league) is an accomplishment on it's own at age 34. But people acting as if he's still top 3 and better than Wade and yada yada are wild. Yeah he finished 2nd in scoring, but at what FG%, how many attempts per game, how many minutes did he play, etc, etc?

[nova91]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

Oh ok that's fair, although I don't know if I would knock them down to the point where he's a 92 or 91 (coming from a 95), but I see what you're getting at.

With those decreases you'd also have to drop his dunk, SIT, SOD, durability, stamina since vertical affects rebounding I wouldn't touch those. You don't have to drop them drastically but more like 2-3 points on each rating.

[firerises]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

With those decreases you'd also have to drop his dunk, SIT, SOD, durability, stamina since vertical affects rebounding I wouldn't touch those. You don't have to drop them drastically but more like 2-3 points on each rating.

Oh ok I see where you're going, certainly understandable.

[youALREADYknow]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

Don't worry, Wade won't be the only one overrated... it will be almost everyone you have heard of before. It's the nature of making games for the masses.

[nova91]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

Don't worry, Wade won't be the only one overrated... it will be almost everyone you have heard of before. It's the nature of making games for the masses.

Oh, yeah they will. Which guys from the community would you like to see 2k incorporate into their player ratings fold to get the best rosters?

[youALREADYknow]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

Oh, yeah they will. Which guys from the community would you like to see 2k incorporate into their player ratings fold to get the best rosters?

It's not about people, it's about the intent and method. They have both wrong right now.

[nova91]

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It's not about people, it's about the intent and method. They have both wrong right now.

I know the intent may be to appease the casual fans, but I'm not sure what you mean by method.

[jfsolo]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

It's interesting, because the gameplay guys on the 2K team, Rob, and Mike and Jerson, etc, probably just use the in house 2K ratings and never get to see their own game at its optimal level, with the superior rosters and tendencies that are community created.

[youALREADYknow]

Re: Is 2k gonna continue to overrate Wade?

I know the intent may be to appease the casual fans, but I'm not sure what you mean by method.

Method means the following:
- Knowing which ratings and tendencies can be objectively determined.
- Knowing how to use real-world data for players, teams, and coaches.
- Having the ability to combine in-house formulas and algorithms with real-life data to produce values that aren't skewed by sample size.
- Having the basketball knowledge to get subjective ratings and tendencies as close as possible.
- Being as thorough as possible about EVERY subtle coach profile or tendency regardless of whether it impacts only the simulation engine and not gameplay.

That's what method is about and it's a huge commitment that most sports game developers, other than successful text-based sims, have taken lightly for over a decade. It's something we should be more critical of as a community if we're committing $60/yr to the product.