potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

[MavsManiac4Life]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

Theres no cheese in 2k12. Zero.

[rockchisler]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

Ok here is the deal. The Spin Dunk, Its not a issue of just hold the charge button to get a charge on it, there needs to be more variables/risk reward for the abuse. If you try to spin dunk every possession this is what needs to happen.

1. Success! You made the attempt
2. Fail! Its a charge
3. Success!/Fail Its a blocking foul, out of bounds throw in.
4. Fail! You Traveled
5. Fail! You lost the Handle
7. Fail! You lost the ball AND its a turnover
6. Fail! You got stripped
7. Fail! You got Blocked
8. Fail! You missed the shot
9. Fail! Fatigued and you turned the ball over in a attempt to pass out of it
10. Fail! Defense alters the shot
11. Fail! You trip and fall
12. Fail! You trip and fall and get injured.

Add those variables to all shot attempts in the game and then the game will be balanced.

[TUSS11]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

Actually after losing to multiple spin Dunkers I found a way to stop it , like everything else in this game once you study it , you'll understand that there is no cheese . Simply press the charge button at the right time and he will spin himself into a charge .


Spin dunk cheese = debunked , no cheese

False.

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[sword1986]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

bingo. /end thread

there is no counter to the up and under, the animation continues whether contact is made or not.

This is true - you have to constantly tap Triangle, it will disrupt the shot.

[Gatorfan Frank]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

100 bucks says OP abused the spin-dunk move in 2K11.

I'll bet you a blunt and a Big Mac that OP will abuse the renewed hopstep button in 2K13 in addition to playing nothing but zone-D and the Heat.

[mth0mas]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

False.

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Ahh perfect , I can use you as a good example. Just like real life basketball if you happen to play a lot . I myself do play a lot , there is not a move that these MBA players can do that I can't , in practice that is . So im well aware of when to spin off of my defender and it's when he's stationary .

That video just shows you pressing the charge button way to early , once he engages in the spin press the charge button , it will result in a charge every time

Spin dunk again debunked

[mth0mas]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

bingo. /end thread

there is no counter to the up and under, the animation continues whether contact is made or not.

Are you joking ? You think there's no counter to the up and under ?! Once again you are a perfect example of someone that has very small basketball iq . Like real life basketball the counter is timing . Get in front of the ball or with an off ball defender come in for the EASY block. I bet you didn't know that if you hold the block button until the offensive player releases the shot stick. Time it perfectly for block or guaranteed miss.

[MavsManiac4Life]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

Ahh perfect , I can use you as a good example. Just like real life basketball if you happen to play a lot . I myself do play a lot , there is not a move that these nBA players can do that I can't , in practice that is . So im well aware of when to spin off of my defender and it's when he's stationary .

That video just shows you pressing the charge button way to early , once he engages in the spin press the charge button , it will result in a charge every time

Spin dunk again debunked

Your main argument in all this has been using real basketball. In real basketball your opponent isn't spin dunking off of your body. He pressed the charge button at an ok time, but it seems like Lopez got warped into a different animation

Are you joking ? You think there's no counter to the up and under ?! Once again you are a perfect example of someone that has very small basketball iq . Like real life basketball the counter is timing . Get in front of the ball or with an off ball defender come in for the EASY block. I bet you didn't know that if you hold the block button until the offensive player releases the shot stick. Time it perfectly for block or guaranteed miss.

You can't counter the move every time, and it's very rare that you can do so, especially if you use the block button. You'll have a much greater chance if you use the right stick to stop that shot, if the CPU doesn't counter w/ another spin.

[jersez]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

I agree with the op partially, but I disagree with there is no cheese in 2k12 and that 2k12 accurately represents basketball. Video game basketball and real life basketball should never be confused as being the same. So to say your basketball IQ should give you a competitive advantage isn't true, the game is dependent on ratings, you don't have to be a basketball genius to run to the paint and dunk with lebron. Ratings determine outcomes, so the lowest IQ 2k gamer can compete because of the high ratings their team has. So basically there are more people that know how to play video game basketball, than real basketball. Playing realistic basketball will hurt you against some people, so knowing how to play video game basketball is beneficial than realistic basketball. In a video game.

I agree that some of the complaints aren't valid and can be counter, but it's impossible to say the game has zero cheese, every video game has cheesers call of duty has campers for example. I'm really tired of you can challenge me" type of guys recently. What will that determine? That you are better than me in a video game? I love video games, but I know their place, video games can not actually replace the skills or other inadequacies a person has.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

I agree with the op partially, but I disagree with there is no cheese in 2k12 and that 2k12 accurately represents basketball. Video game basketball and real life basketball should never be confused as being the same. So to say your basketball IQ should give you a competitive advantage isn't true, the game is dependent on ratings, you don't have to be a basketball genius to run to the paint and dunk with lebron. Ratings determine outcomes, so the lowest IQ 2k gamer can compete because of the high ratings their team has. So basically there are more people that know how to play video game basketball, than real basketball. Playing realistic basketball will hurt you against some people, so knowing how to play video game basketball is beneficial than realistic basketball. In a video game.

I agree that some of the complaints aren't valid and can be counter, but it's impossible to say the game has zero cheese, every video game has cheesers call of duty has campers for example. I'm really tired of you can challenge me" type of guys recently. What will that determine? That you are better than me in a video game? I love video games, but I know their place, video games can not actually replace the skills or other inadequacies a person has.

I agree. My only comment on the topic is that I believe playing realistic basketball well should defeat video game tactics 99% of the time. For example, if a cat is sitting in a zone and my zone offense is pointless against because of slow passing, I have issues with that. Now if he's running a zone all game and I'm just diving into it with no real plan then he should win.

And I'm not saying guys have to run plays to win. When I play randoms who do the 'deny ball, play tight and run zone' tactic I immediately go into attack mode. The moment they start doing it from the main menu I change my philosophy on how I will approach the game -- which always starts with me wanting to run plays and go all out sim. The moment I see 'the cheese' tactics brewing I normally break out the #IsoMotionAchieved skill and break down the computer while attacking whatever weakness their scheme has. So I agree with the knowing both sides of the coin way of thinking -- we were all freestyle players at one point in our lives.

[nova91]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

Ahh perfect , I can use you as a good example. Just like real life basketball if you happen to play a lot . I myself do play a lot , there is not a move that these MBA players can do that I can't , in practice that is . So im well aware of when to spin off of my defender and it's when he's stationary .

That video just shows you pressing the charge button way to early , once he engages in the spin press the charge button , it will result in a charge every time

Spin dunk again debunked

It doesn't matter if you press the draw charge button button early , the defender should not go into a completely different animation and turn like he did in the video. I've seen guys hold the draw charge button 4-5 seconds at a time and just stand there waiting for the ball handler to run into them. If you're stupid enough to run into that player standing there it will and should be a charge, just like in the NBA or any other league if a player is set and you have enough time to see him there and adjust yet you still run into them that's a charge.

If you're at the spot before the offensive player and set up to draw the charge like that defender was and he goes into his spin and the offensive player runs into you it's a charge.

[silverskier]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

Are you joking ? You think there's no counter to the up and under ?! Once again you are a perfect example of someone that has very small basketball iq . Like real life basketball the counter is timing . Get in front of the ball or with an off ball defender come in for the EASY block. I bet you didn't know that if you hold the block button until the offensive player releases the shot stick. Time it perfectly for block or guaranteed miss.

If you have to time perfectly an action to deny another action that doesn't need a perfect timing, I think we can consider it as a cheesy move. When doing an action that is 20 times easier without basketball IQ apply in it and it has nearly no risk/reward, but only reward, it is a cheesy move.

[bm011]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

If you have to time perfectly an action to deny another action that doesn't need a perfect timing, I think we can consider it as a cheesy move. When doing an action that is 20 times easier without basketball IQ apply in it and it has nearly no risk/reward, but only reward, it is a cheesy move.

I don't think the spin dunk was cheesy in 2k12. Matter of fact I never really had an issue with stopping it. 2k11 was another story though....

[mth0mas]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

It doesn't matter if you press the draw charge button button early , the defender should not go into a completely different animation and turn like he did in the video. I've seen guys hold the draw charge button 4-5 seconds at a time and just stand there waiting for the ball handler to run into them. If you're stupid enough to run into that player standing there it will and should be a charge, just like in the NBA or any other league if a player is set and you have enough time to see him there and adjust yet you still run into them that's a charge.

If you're at the spot before the offensive player and set up to draw the charge like that defender was and he goes into his spin and the offensive player runs into you it's a charge.

Let's see you get in front of lebron and just stand there still holding your sack and see if he doesn't just spin right around you. Nba 2k developers are smart they know what they're doing . Since you pressed the charge button early you lost , the program already recognized that that's bad defense , so when the offensive player spins around the helpless(because your just standing there) defender they need to make it look naturally in order to make the game more presentable and realistic , and in my years of basketball I've never seen anyone stand there to take a charge and literally not move until the play was over

[mth0mas]

Re: potential for fans to run 2k into the ground

If you have to time perfectly an action to deny another action that doesn't need a perfect timing, I think we can consider it as a cheesy move. When doing an action that is 20 times easier without basketball IQ apply in it and it has nearly no risk/reward, but only reward, it is a cheesy move.

It is a very risky move. Very.

I forgot to mention you can easily steal the ball too, by pressing x at the right time the defender will lose the ball off his knees or just travel. Also when you time the easy charge your opponent picks up a foul. I've fouled people out who believe they can charge the paint all game. I'm not saying I'm better then anyone else , I'm just saying because of my knowledge of real basketball I can see that 2k made a great game and I'm able to still have fun with this game to this date . Meanwhile uneducated players like yourself complain and your whole army of ragers and blame-it-on-cheesers have the potential to ruin a good game by telling the developers that the game is still cheesy . Imagine if they could just build the graphics and every player detail and better association and maybe even crew. But instead they have to focus on changing gameplay so it suits the less talented basketball player but the more talented gamer. Which direction are we going in ? A real simulation of basketball or just a video game?