So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

[Wildcats302]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

I feel there was some of this cheese, yes.

I am not as talented at basketball games as I am football ones so I tend to play on the 3rd difficulty, not sure what that is, all-star maybe? It is hit or miss at that level, not as rampant as the higher ones like HOF I'm sure. Some games they play sim, some games they are hitting everything and I cannot hit anything, which I suppose is realistic, when it is good players and teams owning me.

My issue was when a bad team like the Wizards was hanging with and destroying at times my Laker fantasy team of Kareem, Gasol, Worthy, Kobe and Magic lol but it was a fun game as I came back from 13 down to win by 1 though...just thought the Wizards doing that was unrealistic but it's a game so it is what it is.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

I think youAlreadyknow is on it. Good many off the problems we have with 2k12 were fixable with roster/slider adjustments. The problem is that none of those adjustments were available online so guys were stuck with dealing with the default garbage. Roster accuracy ect needs to the next thing (if it hasnt already been addressed in 2k13) addressed fully by this company. The 2kinsider is basically a punchline. You cant keep having an essentially part of your game handled so messily year after year.

[Pared]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

That's true but I don't want to be a game tester. We have to mix and match rosters and sliders constantly tweaking gameplay. A couple posts earlier someone said that 2k12 is misunderstood, I couldn't agree more. In theory we're all playing the same "game", but in practice we're all playing different versions.

This is part of your problem.

Too many people breaking the game by looking at numbers and not actually seeing what they do IN. THE. GAME.

A new "roster" doesn't solve everything. So you have a bunch of rosters out there by guys doing whatever the hell they think works and others using them, scratching their head wondering why the game plays as it does.

There's no way the developers can fix that - it's a problem they never created yet they try and find a solution for it.

[mylifeishid]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

This is part of your problem.

Too many people breaking the game by looking at numbers and not actually seeing what they do IN. THE. GAME.

A new "roster" doesn't solve everything. So you have a bunch of rosters out there by guys doing whatever the hell they think works and others using them, scratching their head wondering why the game plays as it does.

There's no way the developers can fix that - it's a problem they never created yet they try and find a solution for it.

Are you saying that there is no need to change default rosters and sliders?

BTW, I play on default rosters, don't think I'll be doing that in 2k13.

[Pared]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

I'm saying when you feel the need to not play on default rosters you risk having a game that is worse and more "odd" than what the developers intended.

[sword1986]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

There is NO shot clock "cheese" in 2K12. I'll explain this as briefly as possible.

1. CLUTCH ratings are too high for non-clutch players in default rosters.
2. CLUTCH sliders are set to an absurdly high baseline at the default level (50).

Solutions (BOTH are required):
1. Use a roster where Clutch ratings are set to more reasonable levels.
2. Set the Clutch slider to 1 or 2, preferably 1 to lower the baseline.

That's all that is required to eliminate what some of you are calling "cheese". If that's all it takes, then there's nothing built-in on the code end and therefore there is no cheese.

2K12 remains one of the most misunderstood video games in history for it's userbase and most of that is 2K/VC's fault for terrible communication and post-release support to it's customer base. Having said that, don't make up boogie men and ghosts when you can't otherwise explain why some things happen in the game.

What was explained in the videos is that 2K decided to remove Clutch from the game (bad decision) simply because their own threshold was set too high in 2K12. Replacing the Clutch rating with some Signature Skill was a lazy response to an easily fixed problem. If the Clutch effect was minimized in default sliders (and therefore online) in 2K12 then this would be a non-discussion going into 2K13.

I use the Simulation slider set ... The Clutch Factor slider is at 35 - Now you say to set it at 1 or 2? Is 35 too high?

[demfl]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

As far as 80% shooting, that is correct when it comes to the CPU making open shots which is not the same for the User. Now when you combine this with the CPU also making countless D and F rated shots, the game is frustrating.

In 2k11, if you were open you made it just like the CPU, which meant equal game play. I wouldn't mind the 40% shooting no matter what as long as the same set of rules applied to the CPU. Currently right now they don't.

Sliders

Here is my problem, when I buy a 60 dollar game, I shouldn't have to change every freakin slider to have a decent game. You should maybe have to tweak 1 or 2 things. Off topic but My player mode draft being only in alphabetical order...is that just not laziness?


2k needs to hire players to test extensively months before the release date and fix 95% of the bugs found prior to shipping.

[hesko]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

If it wasn't a shot clock cheese why did they remove clutch?

OP by Zach_Novak
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="background-image: url('/vBulletin/images/quotes/04.gif');width:37px;height:1px;" width="37">
</td><td style="background-image: url('/vBulletin/images/quotes/00.gif');width:100%;height:1px;" width="100%"> 2k said the 'clutch' rating was activated when the shot clock is winding down
</td></tr></tbody></table>

Maybe for people complaining about those magic cpu comebacks.

[2KLeague]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

There is no shot clock cheese, play D! They never go in when I play against the CPU, and I play them on HOF (Had to stop playing on HOF too cheesy) and Superstar!

[bm011]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

There is definitely at least a little shot clock cheese. Not to mention they tend to hold the ball until the end of the shot clock most times as well.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

Pared I think you have the process the wrong way round. Players (at least the ones Im thinking of, maybe we're not talking about the same ones) are seeking out roster makers and slider adjusters (add even the playbook guys) because of issues with the game's default setup. Its kind of a wild wild west scenario but we have guys with a proven track record. Rashidi, Nogster, Playmakers, Vann ect all are as good as gold. Hell I remember you essentially saving the experience for alot of gamers. Live 2005 with Pared's sliders is basically a hallmark. It really seems that problems like what we're talking about in this thread are really frustrating people even more so when they are eliminated by using edits trusted community members are putting out.

[mylifeishid]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

Has anyone from 2k ever commented on their feelings about some people preferring custom rosters and sliders over default?

[Pared]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

Pared I think you have the process the wrong way round. Players (at least the ones Im thinking of, maybe we're not talking about the same ones) are seeking out roster makers and slider adjusters (add even the playbook guys) because of issues with the game's default setup. Its kind of a wild wild west scenario but we have guys with a proven track record. Rashidi, Nogster, Playmakers, Vann ect all are as good as gold. Hell I remember you essentially saving the experience for alot of gamers. Live 2005 with Pared's sliders is basically a hallmark. It really seems that problems like what we're talking about in this thread are really frustrating people even more so when they are eliminated by using edits trusted community members are putting out.

I hear you. I'm mostly referring to the guys that don't play with default rosters ever. There are guys that will tweak things because they don't "trust 2k's rosters" or make changes so the ratings are all in line with what they consider to be equal to how the NBA should be ranked.

These are they guys that hurt the experience equally. If you don't mess around with the game, you can't really know what's working/not working/broken. So then you have random people who jump online, see "all players correctly rated!!!" rosters and then curse at the game when it does something stupid that isn't a direct result of the game.

You also have guys hex-editing rosters on the 360 and creating invisible players. Then people blame it as a glitch on 2k.

I'm not saying a set of well rated rosters can't improve the game (especially for single-player); I'm saying it can just as equally destroy the game.

[Phreezy P]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

There's gotta be shot clock cheese. I was playing my player mode for the Knicks, and for some reason we faced the Charlotte Bobcats in the second round, and OH GOD, Kemba Walker hit 4 3's from 35 feet with one second on the shot clock during that series. I just hope what 2k is doing with clutch in 2k13 really works or I'll be ticked off.

[CMH]

Re: So, 2k doesn't believe in 'shot clock cheese'...your thoughts?

Not to mention they tend to hold the ball until the end of the shot clock most times as well.

Clearly, the robots will take over.

NBA 2K AI is smart enough to realize its code and use it to its advantage. The kicker? They don't do it all the time just so you can feel as if you have a chance.

It's a bleek future for us all.