Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

What you posted sounds like your one of those ranked game players that spam iso moves until you can get around the defender. I can see if you said in n out to the around the back, but double around the back..you hardly if ever see that in the NBA.

If your not doing something like this then your double behind the back sounds cheesy IMO..
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I'm pretty sure that's what he's referring to. I wouldn't have no problem with that move unless I seen it more then once a game. A double behind the back move is not something you see every night in the NBA, so if he pulls it out every now and then no problem to be honest.

Alright man, just to let you know I already returned 2k12.

My 2K12 broke, I'm just making sure I have you on my list for when 2K13 rolls around.

A series of ISO moves isn't cheese, it's all about how often you pull them moves off. If you excessively use them, then that could be consider cheese. There's a reason its called a go to move. Its going to work more often then not. Like Kobe, KG, and Dirk's post fadeaway. If every time down the court you go to Dirk's post fadeaway then that cheesing even though it isn't a exploit.

I agree with this post. But we all have seen Kobe, Dirk and KG use there post fadeaways 3 times a row. If someone uses the post fadeaway more then 3 times in a row then it is suspect IMO.

I won't go in my bag but the crossover is my favorite move -- if you see me sizing you up then your virtual ankles are in danger lol.

lol @ jersez being cheesy because he unlocked #IsoMotionAchieved

Haha I love the quick crossover. The only time I really size up is when my play is broken and I'm in scramble mode with like 7 seconds left on the shot clock.

But I love the quick crossovers, that's how I get most my Sports Center plays. All that iso'ing isn't usually effective, but a quick move and you usually get good separation.

[TUSS11]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

What you posted sounds like your one of those ranked game players that spam iso moves until you can get around the defender. I can see if you said in n out to the around the back, but double around the back..you hardly if ever see that in the NBA.

If your not doing something like this then your double behind the back sounds cheesy IMO..

Damn, stop judging how others play.

[DukeC]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

The only time I get annoyed with someone dribbling too much is if I'm in a teamup.

More often than not in a 1 vs 1 they're going to end up with a bad shot and all you have to do is switch to the big man and rebound.

It's not all that difficult to stop someone who's main way of scoring is iso'ing. Especially if they're doing too many size up dribbles. Give them space, play the drive, and force them to shoot and 60-65% of the time they're missing.

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

Damn, stop judging how others play.

I agree with this. When I play I try to do the least criticizing as possible. Unless I see something I feel like I must speak on.

The only thing that really grinds my gear is when people freelance like 5+ plays in a row. This is the NBA it's more structured then most people think. I have no problem if you're playing with Washington, Denver or GS and you free lance/push. But if I'm rarely seeing any sets I'm going to call you out because even the best fastbreak teams run a offense:
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[JasonWilliams55]

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With Nash, I like to run their standard high wing pick and roll on the left side of the court, picking coming back from the right side, ball in left hand go into a hard cross (towards pick) and as soon as the defender commits, quickly go behind the back (back to the left hand) for an easy drive, also you still keep the roll man (Gortat) and then you have three options w/ Nash (lay, floater, dish) with a possible 4th option (if their is help D coming) you can keep dribbling through the paint (baseline) for a corner 3 kick out.

This same move works well with Channing Frye with a pick and pop for 3, instead of a roll.


Play I am talking about starts at 2:43, this is a decent breakdown video of the Suns PnR game.

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[ForeverVersatile]

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He's allowed to play play however he wants to, i just had an opinion about what he said. It's not even that serious.

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

With Nash, I like to run their standard high wing pick and roll on the left side of the court, picking coming back from the right side, ball in left hand go into a hard cross (towards pick) and as soon as the defender commits, quickly go behind the back (back to the left hand) for an easy drive, also you still keep the roll man (Gortat) and then you have three options w/ Nash (lay, floater, dish) with a possible 4th option (if their is help D coming) you can keep dribbling through the paint (baseline) for a corner 3 kick out.

This same move works well with Channing Frye with a pick and pop for 3, instead of a roll.

I definitely stole that from you . When I seen you keep your dribble alive and dribble through the baseline and kick it out for the 3 I said damn that really looks like Nash.

Tony Parker and CP3 does this alot in real life to, so when I play I try to do it with them as much possible. only thing I hate is that sometimes 2K messes you up and makes you dribble real weird under the baseline. Cause once you get from under the hoop it sometimes automatically turns you back facing the basket.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

I definitely stole that from you . When I seen you keep your dribble alive and dribble through the baseline and kick it out for the 3 I said damn that really looks like Nash.

Tony Parker and CP3 does this alot in real life to, so when I play I try to do it with them as possible. only thing I hate is that sometimes 2K messes you up and makes you dribble real weird under the baseline. Cause once you get from under the hoop it sometimes automatically turns you back facing the basket.

Yep, I absolutely hate that crap.

[jersez]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

What you posted sounds like your one of those ranked game players that spam iso moves until you can get around the defender. I can see if you said in n out to the around the back, but double around the back..you hardly if ever see that in the NBA.

If your not doing something like this then your double behind the back sounds cheesy IMO..
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What? So it's cheese because YOU never saw a NBA player do two in & outs...... okay. That says it all to me. Like another poster said, I'm not running around zig zagging exploiting the momentum issues that was in 2k12. First you said it was the in&out move, now it's the two behind the back moves, which I just described to you. I told you the moves are not one after another.


The move doesn't guarantee a bucket. It doesn't even cause the ankle breaker animation. Then you said "I can see if you said in n out to the around the back" so the in&out to around the back which is two moves, is okay but I can't use two in&outs? So your saying it's cheese because you don't like the second move?

Smfh it's crazy so now we have a iso move limit? Is that sim now? It's only 3 moves,but that's spamming. And you don't even know what the move looks like lol, but your calling it cheese.

[ForeverVersatile]

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Double around the back....humm seems pretty self explanatory my friend. Just act like i never said anything, you taking it way too serious.

Question: How do you call something double if it's not done in succession??

This is a double move, I'm not sure what your referring to.

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[AllStarDaDon]

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Play I am talking about starts at 2:43, this is a decent breakdown video of the Suns PnR game.

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I just watched the video here is what I like to see, sim ballers studying NBA offenses and running them in game! I thought I was the only one that tries to almost emulate the offenses as much as I can.

People usually just look for the roll man on the PnR, there's sooo much more options on set plays:
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[jersez]

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Double around the back....humm seems pretty self explanatory my friend.

No, your assuming because I just explained the behind the back move my friend. It's not one after another, there are two types of behind the backs, one for when your in a straight line towards the basket and one cutting to the basket. I use the first one, dribble to a spot then I use the second one. That's all it is it's not one after another.

Even if it was one after another that wouldn't even be cheese, because it's easy to defend. It may be cheese to you because your not a good defender and people can score on you easily,or you call anything cheese that you don't like. That is what it sounds like. I don't know and I'm not going to argue anymore man.

[ForeverVersatile]

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I'm sorry but you need to put more thought into your posts because you didn't even know what the hell you were talking about your self. WFT is a post sprint?? I'm done..SMH

[richmo]

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[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Don't Give Out Ya Whole Bag of Trick But What's Some of Your Go To Moves

The biggest problem with running the Suns offense, is that when you have an open man off the PnR (not the roll man though) is that when you kick to the open 3 its not guaranteed that he will stay there.

Sometimes they cut when they are wide open.
Sometimes they step 5 feet back from the 3 point line, leaving you with a terrible shot.