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  • capitolrf
    Rookie
    • Jan 2012
    • 354

    #31
    Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

    To me it seams the game just caters to the elite teams and star players. For example look at John Wall -vs- Rajon Rondo

    Rondo - Overall 90, shot inside 84, close 72, medium 70, 3pt 61 - Sig. Skills - Pick Pocket, Dimer, Scraper, Ankle Breaker, Floor Generals

    Wall - Overall 83, shot inside 88, close 80, medium 77, 3pt 60 - Sig. Skills - Acrobat, Finisher, Shot Creator

    I compare these two cause there games are similar, there both penetrators who can finish well at the rim, no pure jump shots and run there teams. (Granted Rondo has a better supporting cast.)

    As you can see Wall has the better shooting stats. But if you take a look at their hot zones. Wall has more cold zones than Rondo. (which makes his Shot Creator Sig. pointless when he can't make a jump shot on the game)

    Now, to me the games catered to Rondo more than Wall. Yes, in real life Rondo is a better all-around player than Wall. But as far as shooting is concerned Wall should have more neutral zones than cold. I understand this is were the players shoot the majority of there shots in a game setting. But to me the zones and ratings don't match up in honest opinion.
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    • robny23
      Rookie
      • Sep 2006
      • 28

      #32
      Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

      Hopefully these issue will be patched and fixed correctly. 2k12 did have multiple patches trying to get things right. So i guess all we can do is hpe 2k reads these forums and decide to fix it. I know all us 2k players are often looking for negatives and can be a burden on 2k sometimes trying to cater to all of us. But us doing so shows us how much we love this game and how much time and effort we all put in playing it. We talk about certain issues because the game is close to perfect and 2k has done a fantastic job with the 2k series.

      In this era, many of us who play the game are online only players. We enjoy the competitive fun from playing real human opponents, something we can never really achieve from playing the CPU AI. We just want the online experience to be an enjoyable one and even though it seems like we complain much and ask for multiple things to be fixed, we just expect the best cause we know 2k is capable and sooo close to making a perfect bball SIM.

      2k has done an amazing job this year hands down. The greatest bball game ever so far. But we expect the best because 2k advertises that. 2k refers to the game as the best sports game ever. Hopefully 2k will give us online gamers some sympathy and fixed the few issues that would otherwise make this a great online bball game. I think if 2k addresses the few issues

      1. off rebounds
      2. shot percentage while contested including 3's
      3. points in the paint and contact effect.
      4. long passes.

      If pretty much those 4 things are tuned appropriately, as for online, it would pretty much be perfect game. As long as there are ways to counter certain things, they are not issues, then its just poor play and laziness through us players to learn or practice. But the issues above can not be countered so they become glitches and issues for us online gamers. Since online gaming is mostly based on competitive matches between real life opponents, we just want an experience where the most skilled and bball knowledgable determines success.

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      • Thunder Storm
        Rookie
        • Dec 2010
        • 480

        #33
        Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

        Haven't played since release. Just gonna wait. They usually change it to all star sim when enough people complain. Superstar is a pipe dream.
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        222-34 online

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        • BluFu
          MVP
          • May 2012
          • 3596

          #34
          Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

          honestly, it would just be a lot less stressful to have two separate modes for casuals and for sim players.

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          • joel0078
            Pro
            • Sep 2006
            • 754

            #35
            Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

            What's already been mentioned isn't the only problem...One of the most obvious flaws I've seen online is my computer controlled AI team mates....I played my third game online today...My opponent took the Clippers and I took the Warriors. He half court pressed me and then manually brought up another player for a triple team, every play. Seriously. That's easy enough to get around right? Sure, pass the ball to an open offensive player!....However, as it turns out, the WIDE OPEN AI team mates are oddly standing 30 feet away from the rim and that gives this jerk enough time to manually bring back his defender and prevent my wide open basket, essentially rewarding him for this cheap tactic...That should be an automatic bucket, every time.

            On top of all that, that triple team lead to a ridiculous amount of steals for him...He finished with 17 steals to my four with the majority coming at half court on this triple press. This jerk was rewarded for this tactic and I got dinged by my team mates not automatically going to the rim when wide open...So frustrating.

            edit: and for what it's worth, he dunked with deandre jordan all day....id say 80% of his points came from there
            Last edited by joel0078; 10-06-2012, 11:04 PM.

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            • robny23
              Rookie
              • Sep 2006
              • 28

              #36
              Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

              you can easily beat the trap. When you see the trap coming or get trapped, you have to manually bring up your icon to the open player and move him closer to you to get the ball. For ps3 its L1, select the icon and move the r stick towards where you want to direct the player. This should hep with that.

              The other issues mentioned such as off rebounds, long passes, ridiculous shooting percentage while contested, and points in the paint can not be countered so far, so its considered an exploit. Trapping is easily countered.

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              • joel0078
                Pro
                • Sep 2006
                • 754

                #37
                Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                Originally posted by robny23
                you can easily beat the trap. When you see the trap coming or get trapped, you have to manually bring up your icon to the open player and move him closer to you to get the ball. For ps3 its L1, select the icon and move the r stick towards where you want to direct the player. This should hep with that.

                The other issues mentioned such as off rebounds, long passes, ridiculous shooting percentage while contested, and points in the paint can not be countered so far, so its considered an exploit. Trapping is easily countered.
                I think I get what you're saying, but the icon passing doesn't help....my team isn't going to the rack when obviously if it were real ball, you'd run to the hoop for the basket, not spot up at three, or stand 15 feet from the rim.

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                • smush
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 59

                  #38
                  Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                  When i go to my VIP stats my last game played was on superstar setting and all my player high and team high stats say that and all the game have been played in QRM so it must be set to superstar or there something wrong with VIP stats but QMR is not fun sometimes with all the cheese and contested jump shots and all PF and C playing like D12 its like its on causal sliders or something i don't understand how 2k can't fix this i feel like they think if they made ppl play sim then they would lose to much money because most ppl who by there games are cheesers.
                  Last edited by smush; 10-10-2012, 04:07 AM.

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                  • videobastard
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 3388

                    #39
                    Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                    Originally posted by Mr_truthman.com
                    Quick match is suppose to be unrealistic, hince the 5min qtrs and what is probably a default pro setting.
                    Im talking about gameplay. Not how much time to get through a game. Other sports games have quick search features and the user is able to get into matches with higher difficulty with sim settings to get some sort of relation to the actual sport.

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                    • gbx34
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 598

                      #40
                      Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                      when they gonna fix this?

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                      • cardinalbird5
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 2814

                        #41
                        Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                        Originally posted by videobastard
                        Its not a win loss issue. The gameplay is arcade basketball. Some people prefer to play games that have some sort of relation to real life nba basketball.
                        How many online games have you played this year? Just curious....because I see a lot of people making generalizations based off 1 or 2 bad experiences. I can understand people not enjoying online or it not being for them, but that doesn't mean you try to bring everyone else down with you. I have played 12 quick ranked matches and another 10-15 for MyTeam. My only complaint is the 3's go in a little bit too much and this is due to 2k's sliders/settings for the modes and not based on how people always play.

                        I enjoy the quick matches. The game plays a lot more realistic this year and you can stop almost anything if you set your settings correctly. You can run plays, slow the game down, etc. You just have to be smart about it. Most people are just used to playing with sim rules that allow no type of stressful situations or against the CPU where they never pressure the ball and allow you to do what you want.

                        The reason you see a lot of zone online (not as much as last year though) is because a lot of people choose the Heat, Thunder, and Lakers. What were a lot of teams running against the Heat last year? 2-3 zone if I recall....so it can make sense. I prefer man, but if my opponent does nothing but drive, drive, drive then yeah I'll switch to a zone.

                        Once again, some people prefer online, while some prefer staying offline. It just gets old seeing the same threads on here year after year about online. People do enjoy the mode, so there is no reason to keep spreading gossip. Let people experience it for themselves. They might actually enjoy some live competition.
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                        • TheKasmar
                          Pro
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 955

                          #42
                          Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                          Originally posted by robny23
                          It was much harder to score in 2k12 especially for a non-skilled player. Even when using LBJ, Durant, etc... you would easily lose trying to abuse just one player. Many animations were horrible, but took much more skill to score in the paint or hit 3's compare to how it is now on 13. 2k13 offensive rebounds are far worst onlne than 2k12 was and 2k12 was pretty bad. 2k13 did fix the tip dunk frequency, but offensive rebounds in general are worst.
                          I'd have to disagree with you on this one. The 3's at this time last year online were much worse. Neither my opponents or I have had 10+ 3's in a game online yet. In 2k12 10+ 3's was very common. The dunks that many complained about are still happening the same way as last year

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                          • ksuttonjr76
                            All Star
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 8662

                            #43
                            Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                            After playing 15 QR games, I don't really don't have that many complaints.
                            • Although I'm knocking them down myself like crazy with Granger, 3's are a little bit on the high end.
                            • Offensive rebounding.
                            • Paint defense in general, but especially against players with the Finisher SS. I had one opponent who used the spin layup on almost every possession with D. Rose.


                            Overall, I'm really loving the game online. No real complaints. I'm currently 8-10, but it's a FAR cry from where I was last year in NBA 2K12 which, IMHO, the MOST frustrating online basketball game to date. With a little bit more practice against live opponents, I should be winning 65%+ of games in no time.

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                            • robny23
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 28

                              #44
                              Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                              I do agree that 2k12 at this time last year was far worst than 2k13 in terms of 3 point shooting. Don't get me wrong, 2k13 is by far better and the game is amazing. 2k hands down made 2k13 the best bball up to date. But as a online only player, I just mention the few issues that seems like the majority of the online players are experiencing as well.

                              I understand how to play, defense and offense, and there is no one correct way, its about adjusting to opponents. But online 2k13 right now with no patches yet, the issues mention do make the game a bit unenjoyable and unrealistic. For the person who mentioned competiveness through playing a live player online, that is the exact reason most of us play online, so we would like a game that plays realistic and skill with sticks and knowlwedge of bball should determine the victor.

                              But issues such as
                              1. terrible offensive rebounds by comp AI
                              2. a high percentage of shots including 3's are made even when heavily contested.
                              3. Too easy to score in the paint, dunks, layups, all seem to not be effected by contact.
                              4. Long passes resulting in constant cherry picking for easy baskets.

                              other than that the game plays great, def better than any other 2k game, but 2k12 after all the patches and update seem to get most of the things right. So i guess everyone is just hoping for those issues to be fixed, either through settings and sliders or a patch, which ever would solve the problem.

                              I am 40-4 on rank quick matches, but I find it too easy to do certain things, being an online player, I just personally wished the game was on the hardest difficulty setting, but as of now it seems 2k caters the online play to those with no interest to learn or take the time to get better, its catering to anyone who can just pick up the controller and press buttons.

                              I have hit over 10 3's in multiple games with very high shooting %, I have had 30 plus points with people like chandler, jordan, perkins, which means its too easy to score in the paint, i get out rebounded but also have my comp AI grap a ridiculous amount of off boards, and thrown long passes after long passes to SF and PW for easy dunks. These issues cant seem to be countered at the moment, so i guess we are all hoping for 2k to just give us online gamers a bit of consideration and patch these issues.

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                              • TheKasmar
                                Pro
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 955

                                #45
                                Re: Online Quick Ranked is a problem

                                Originally posted by robny23
                                I am 40-4 on rank quick matches, but I find it too easy to do certain things, being an online player, I just personally wished the game was on the hardest difficulty setting, but as of now it seems 2k caters the online play to those with no interest to learn or take the time to get better, its catering to anyone who can just pick up the controller and press buttons.
                                You doing way better than me. I've been doing horrible online lately. I'm surprised because I felt comfortable with the demo. I dont have the benefit of running with the Heat or the Thunder in the real game though. I tried using lower level teams thinking I could compete, but so far they're just running me off the court. Even with the BS from 2k9-2k12 I've never felt so helpess when playing top tier teams.

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