The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

[zten11]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

There's so much strategies you can use.

It's all about coaching, matchups etc. How you play isolations, do you force ball handler into their off hand, or force them into your help defense. Do you give bad shooters space to shoot or run out aggressively on them like a idiot giving a bad shooter a driving lane. Your rotations on defense, anticipation on the move, double teaming then switching to another defender to play the passing lanes or to drop down to take away a driving lane from the guy who receives the ball out the double team.

There's so much things you can do on D it's crazyyyyy. Again if you have the knowledge on how to play defense you'll do just fine.

Dude, you can't go that in depth. Its not like you are actually playing. You do what you can but you aren't going to control every move you make on defense like you do on offense. They are two totally different sides of the ball. Its not like all of the sudden basketball gaming has evolved into putting the defense completely in your hands.

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I look up all the terminology and stuff like hard hedge, soft hedge, sag off ... I am going to admit, I am fairly new to basketball (2010 my first year as a fan). I do not know when to use all this stuff or how to play defense. can you provide tips and scenarios ... how would you adjust your defensive assignments on certain teams? You seem to know a lot, DaDon. help a fellow Nets fan out! haha

Hard hedge. Use hard hedge on explosive scores and guys who can get into the paint with ease example Derrick Rose, Westbrook, D-Will, Jamal Crawford etc.

If I was playing against Derrick Rose my settings would be:
Double team:On drive
On Ball: moderate(Not to far away not to close)
Off Ball: play tight or deny ball
Screen: Go under(going under the screen forces the jumpshots helps takeaway driving lane)
Hedge: Hard hede

Now if I was playing a good player with good shooting like Steve Nash, Chauncey Billups, CP3, Kirk Hinrich, Steph Curry etc my settings would be

Double team: Never
On Ball: Moderate
Off Ball: Play tight(for deadly shooters Steve Nash, Ray Allen, Rip, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson etc)
Screen:Over(fights over the screen to take away jumpshot)
Hedge: Soft hedge(the big man will slightly hedge the ball handler to take away the jumpshot while my on ball defender is fight through the pick)

For superstars like Melo, Kobe, Durant etc I would put
On Ball: moderate
Off Ball: deny ball(for guys good isolating Melo, Rudy Gay, D-Wade) and play tight on stars who are deadly shooters (Durant, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry, Ray Allen etc)
Screen:Go Under(always give stars the jumper the longer you keep them out the paint the better, if they beat you with long jumpshots then they deserve a cookie)
Hedge: Double(On guys like Melo and Kobe who are reluctant to make the pass) and hard hedge(on guys like Durant to force them to a different direction then they originally wanted to go on the Pick and roll.

PM me man and I'll help you get ya defense right.

Dude, you can't go that in depth. Its not like you are actually playing. You do what you can but you aren't going to control every move you make on defense like you do on offense. They are two totally different sides of the ball. Its not like all of the sudden basketball gaming has evolved into putting the defense completely in your hands.

Yes you can.

For the hundredth million time, if you have the basketball knowledge you could play defense damn near with no problem

Alot of people don't have the knowledge they think do on the sport. I have no problems shutting down superstars elite scorers unless there controlled by a good sim player.

Rotations are easy. Every now and then your defensive rotations are gonna be off because that's just basketball. If you have your defense set up like I explained above and you see the AI off ball defender sagging off on a scoring threat, switch off ball to that defender and bring him closer to his defensive assignment, then switch back to the on ball defender. If you get beat on the dribble, switch to the closest help defender make sure you contest the jumper if he pulls up, or if he going driving in for a layup or dunk, contest with the RS hands up, take a charge or go for the block with Y.

Defense is completely playable this year. Look at the advance defense in this pic


And these videos from last year(it still applies)
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[Optik]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I don't think sliders or HOF difficulty will sort out the legacy issue that is your players failing to get back in time after a score. On MyTeam this seems to be the majority of my opponents' offense. Seems like fastbreak threes are a killer as well.

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I don't think sliders or HOF difficulty will sort out the legacy issue that is your players failing to get back in time after a score. On MyTeam this seems to be the majority of my opponents' offense. Seems like fastbreak threes are a killer as well.

When you miss a rebound quickly switch to a player closest to getting back and turbo up the court.

Also put your crash boards sliders down, if your crash boards sliders is up your SF will try and get boards to. If your crash boards sliders is down only your PF and C will try and get rebounds.

If your SF is crashing the boards for rebounds, what's the SF on the other team going to be doing? Leaking out for a easy dunk on the other end right?

This only for regular games not that myteam nonsense.

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Here's another video that should help you guys better understand hedging and playing good defense.

Everything seen in this video can be done in 2K:
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[NINJAK2]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Great posts AllStar. Looks like 2k used cavs footage to program defensive rebounding though for straight out the box play.lol

[sword1986]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Thanks a lot, DaDon. It looks like you're the new Czar this year haha. You helped big time, my defense is a lot better. The entire time I would put "Switch" on guys like Monta Ellis, Kobe, etc because i figured switch cause they were mad fast guys. I would put GO OVER to sluggish shooters like Kyle Korver, Jimmer Fredette. Now I see it translate in game, when the guy i was playing dribbled around with Chase Budinger, i saw the switch and was like yeah that makes sense ....

I beat two Laker cheesers online, in a row. Not really big by a big deficient, because i feel like Pro/Default handicaps me big time. and gives the user like a comeback code but in the end I won. On one play particullary .... Pau Gasol got an offensive rebound, he went to do that 'inside shot' animation, i actually DISRUPTED him. dont ask what i did, i was just snappin the right analog stick and he went into an animation. i wish we had more of that contact, because i think that is the main problem with the points in the paint, triggering that specific contact animation.

oh well a patch will help out, but AllStarDaDon thanks again man. i can finally make cheesers pay. they will have some wins though because it is after all on Pro/Default. but the good thing about it being on Pro/Default, it is a lot tougher to play defense AND when the switch to All Star/Sim happens (hopefully its sim). i am going to be a top tier defender online. CANT WAIT.




By the way - do you know how to do that disrupt animation. when the CPU gets an offensive rebound, it does an inside shot animation where they scoop. i was able to disrupt Pau Gasol online, but i do not know how to recreate it. is it intense D or something?

[The 24th Letter]

I don't think sliders or HOF difficulty will sort out the legacy issue that is your players failing to get back in time after a score. On MyTeam this seems to be the majority of my opponents' offense. Seems like fastbreak threes are a killer as well.

Switching to sim sliders will without question help, if they do this, ill be online a lot more ....it's so much easier to counteract the fast break strategy with the Inside Contact slider maxed (which is the default for Simulation Game Style) If you get into position, there will be contact 95% of the time...

Honestly, I don't know how you guys can stomach playing randoms on Pro/Default....but Dons tips are vey useful...

[sword1986]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Switching to sim sliders will without question help, if they do this, ill be online a lot more ....it's so much easier to counteract the fast break strategy with the Inside Contact slider maxed (which is the default for Simulation Game Style) If you get into position, there will be contact 95% of the time...

Honestly, I don't know how you guys can stomach playing randoms on Pro/Default....but Dons tips are vey useful...

Look at it like this .... it is a lot harder online, so you have to try extra harder on the Default settings to get contact and play defense. Now when you go back to your Association offline, you will see how it pays off. Think of online as practice, just put in 100% effort like you're playing the computer. There may not be much contact, but do you best and watch how it translates to your offline play when you play on Simulation where there is contact.

[NINJAK2]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Switching to sim sliders will without question help, if they do this, ill be online a lot more ....it's so much easier to counteract the fast break strategy with the Inside Contact slider maxed (which is the default for Simulation Game Style) If you get into position, there will be contact 95% of the time...

Honestly, I don't know how you guys can stomach playing randoms on Pro/Default....but Dons tips are vey useful...

It's hard but I do it for the VC. It's a quick 250-300 a game regardless the result. Still can't wait to see what changes the patch makes..

[The 24th Letter]

I started a online quick game shortly after posting that just for giggles and actually shut down a up & under/ fast break abuser with the Spurs...I'm 3-0 online as of now (played two games a launch)....I honestly think if 2k tweaks some online settings I'd enjoy this game online as much as 2k11...I played no 2k game online as much as that game...

Defense is so fun to me this year...

[Optik]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

When you miss a rebound quickly switch to a player closest to getting back and turbo up the court.

Also put your crash boards sliders down, if your crash boards sliders is up your SF will try and get boards to. If your crash boards sliders is down only your PF and C will try and get rebounds.

If your SF is crashing the boards for rebounds, what's the SF on the other team going to be doing? Leaking out for a easy dunk on the other end right?

This only for regular games not that myteam nonsense.

I said that they fail to get back after a SCORE, not a rebound.

[killakrok]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

All you guys agreed that 2K13 isn't worth your time? I didn't expect it to decline like that.

I have been a loyal fan of 2K since the first game on Dreamcast. MyCareer is unplayable because of the inability of your team to run plays, MyTeam is unplayable for me because of all of the purchased superstar teams and online games being on Pro difficulty, and association doesn't give VC to try to make the other modes enjoyable.

I mostly purchased this for MyCareer and MyTeam and I can't play either of those AT ALL right now, so this game is useless to me at the moment, while I played 2K12 all year.

[killakrok]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Dude, you can't go that in depth. Its not like you are actually playing. You do what you can but you aren't going to control every move you make on defense like you do on offense. They are two totally different sides of the ball. Its not like all of the sudden basketball gaming has evolved into putting the defense completely in your hands.

EXACTLY. It is so frustrating when I am playing online against another player on Pro difficulty and I put my players on tight and deny ball defense, yet they are int he paint while the 3pt marksman they are guarding is jumping up and down calling for the ball and drains the 3 in their face. Or when I am sunning back guarding ball on a fast break and the wing defenders drop into the paint for no reason, I KNOW the other guy is going to pass to the trailer for 3, but there is no way I can control both players. When I try, the man guarding the PG just turns and lets him run by, CONSTANTLY.

I cannot control all 5 players unfortunately, and on PRO difficulty 4 of them will have HORRIBLE defense. I can't do much about that.

[killakrok]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Just played some more on Superstar I take that back. They just play no D on any difficulty, looks like I just need to tweak the sliders.