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  • AllStarDaDon
    Pro
    • Dec 2010
    • 932

    #1

    My Problem With Sim Players

    I honestly dont under understand sim players.

    They claim there sim but won't call there first timeout until the 4th quarter in a 12 minute game. I can't stand playing people who won't burn a timeout until the 2nd half because it throws off my rotation. And if were emulating the NBA you should be calling timeouts to constantly coach, mess with matchups, stops runs and momentum substiute players in and out due to certtain reasons that varies game to game.

    Also when the other person doesn't call timeouts it messes with fatigue players get tired because there isn't a break in action, making them not as effective due to fatigue. If you guys were real hoop heads or sim heads you would knows theres TV timeouts in every quarter and would try to emulate that. I just don't understand how majority of you play 12 minute quarters and won't burn a timeout until the 3rd or 4th quarter.

    Then people always want to know why there losing, or complain the game is to easy to score. But you guys won't call timeout when your opponent is in the middle of a 10 point run. I see it everyday I play people I go on a 10 point run, and they won't call a timeout. Then it happens to be the same people on OS complaining momentum isn't real, or it's broken or the game is to easy to score.

    Free throw routines. Can you guys please stop skipping them? It's annoying because I'm trying to make subs and follow real life rotations and you guys are x'ing through the routines not even giving me time to sub not even a quick second to stretch if I need to. NBA players go through their routines in real life, very rarely do you see a player step to the line and just chuck up there free throw with no routine.

    Cut scenes can you guys stop skipping these also? IMO it ruins the flow of the game and doesn't make it seem like a real NBA game. I love reading the real life up to date NBA stats during ball stoppages, it gives you info on the league. Also it flows like a real NBA game. As a sim player I want to have a NBA experiencine and emulate it the best I can, you guys are just so quick to rush back into the action it's annoying as ****. Can we just let the game flow please?

    Then you got guys hitting you up for 7-10 minute "sim" leagues. SMH playing a game with the minutes shorter then 12 minutes is NOT NBA basketball. Some guys also hit you up for 8 minutes games that is NOT NBA basketball.

    These are just a couple things that pisses me off with majority of sim players. It's annoying man you guys call yall selves sim but don't call no timeouts, make no coaching adjustments etc. The only person I really enjoy playing is EC WORLDWIDE because we are like minded individuals that just wants the full sim experience. We want the NBA flow of game, we call TV timeouts at the same time NBA games are scheduled to call them, we make coaching adjustments frequently, watch our free throw routines, we play with real life NBA defensive strategies and we actually run legit offense.

    It's gotten to the point where me and him have our playvision completely off. Not on full, or lite but completely off. Because we understand NBA offenses so well we don't need diagrams on the court blindly telling us where to go. We read and react, also if you really know your offenses and sets it's easy to know what the next step is in the play is.

    Guys I play love using the excuse "I never played with this team before", "I didn't know the plays I was running" etc. How come me and EC are able to pickup any of the 30 teams score, play D, run the offense, run plays we never ran before with the playvision off and with success?
    Last edited by AllStarDaDon; 12-31-2012, 03:02 PM.
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    Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
    This video game is a SIMULATION of BASKETBALL. Sure its not 100% perfect, but its pretty damn good. You will not get a SIMULATION STYLE BASKETBALL GAME by PLAYING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SIMULATION MEANS.


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  • thefuzz7219
    Rookie
    • Jun 2010
    • 60

    #2
    Wow tell us more about how good you are!

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    • Optik
      MVP
      • Aug 2012
      • 1025

      #3
      Re: My Problem With Sim Players

      Originally posted by AllStarDaDon
      It's gotten to the point where me and him have our playvision completely off. Not on full, or lite but completely off. Because we understand NBA offenses so well we don't need diagrams on the court blindly telling us where to go. We read and react, also if you really know your offenses and sets it's easy to know what the next step is in the play is.
      I'd love to get to that stage. It would make reading and reacting SO much easier. All the lines can get extremely distracting, and you can miss an easy look so many times.
      Originally posted by Dogslax41
      Most people that are asking for a simulation game don’t really want a simulation game because its too hard.

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      • AllStarDaDon
        Pro
        • Dec 2010
        • 932

        #4
        Re: My Problem With Sim Players

        Originally posted by Optik
        I'd love to get to that stage. It would make reading and reacting SO much easier. All the lines can get extremely distracting, and you can miss an easy look so many times.
        Yeaaa it definitely it the way to go.

        But at first I was playing on lite. Cause I was watching Da Czar videos then realized he had his playvision lite because it's easier to run a NBA offense like that instead of blindly following diagrams and arrows.

        It's actually funny how we started playing with the playvision completely off Me and EC were playing and I had the Thunder, I accidentally put the playvision off(I was already playing with it on lite at this time). I was trying to run Kevin Durant off some single doubles, pins downs and staggard screens and I would see the screens being set but no indicator to pass it, or markers to go to to initiate the play.

        Then I was like WTF then I realized after checking my settings it was completely off. Then EC was like that's not even sim that's real life NBA

        Then a couple games after we decided to try playing with the playvision off to help elevate our game. It was easier to then expected to pick up. Life iff you know your offenses and you're running a Horns play you know you have to make a pass to the high elbow, if you're running 1-4 you know you have to pass to the top of the arc, or you call a floppy you know some one is going to run either off a single double, staggard screen or a pin down.

        It definitely does help with reading, reacting and taking what the defense gives you. If you look at it in real life, NBA players don't have arrows and diagrams telling them where to go. Everything is within the flow of the offense so we want to emulate that.
        Last edited by AllStarDaDon; 12-31-2012, 03:41 PM.
        Add me om PSN for a good game of basketball!
        PSN IsomotionKing

        Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
        This video game is a SIMULATION of BASKETBALL. Sure its not 100% perfect, but its pretty damn good. You will not get a SIMULATION STYLE BASKETBALL GAME by PLAYING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SIMULATION MEANS.


        #HelloBrooklyn

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        • AllStarDaDon
          Pro
          • Dec 2010
          • 932

          #5
          Re: My Problem With Sim Players

          Originally posted by thefuzz7219
          Wow tell us more about how good you are!
          I'm not bragging about how good I am. I'm voicing my frustration with the many sim players I play every day.

          But from your post we could definitely see how good you are!
          Add me om PSN for a good game of basketball!
          PSN IsomotionKing

          Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
          This video game is a SIMULATION of BASKETBALL. Sure its not 100% perfect, but its pretty damn good. You will not get a SIMULATION STYLE BASKETBALL GAME by PLAYING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SIMULATION MEANS.


          #HelloBrooklyn

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          • Streaky McFloorburn
            Rookie
            • Aug 2012
            • 279

            #6
            Re: My Problem With Sim Players

            Playing like that seems fantastic in limited doses, but surely you can understand why people don't want to spend 90+ minutes on every game. That's what it takes to play 12 min quarters w/o skipping anything and calling TV timeouts. I consider you fortunate to have found even 1 person who is willing to do that regularly. No way I could get anyone I know to try it for more than a single game.
            "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism, by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

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            • thefuzz7219
              Rookie
              • Jun 2010
              • 60

              #7
              Originally posted by AllStarDaDon
              I'm not bragging about how good I am. I'm voicing my frustration with the many sim players I play every day.

              But from your post we could definitely see how good you are!
              PS3 or Xbox?

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              • Vni
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2011
                • 14832

                #8
                Re: My Problem With Sim Players

                Hehe you gotta love AllstarDadon.

                He's the most hardcore 2K gamer i've played against. Definately one of the best too.

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                • Find_the_Door
                  Nogueira connoisseur
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 4051

                  #9
                  Friend of mine claims to be "so sim" yet doesn't call a timeout till the end of the 3rd and blows two (or three) consecutively. Why? Because he also doesn't rotate his players effectively.


                  Anyone that wants a true sim game, feel free to request me (Xbox).

                  GT: Find the Door

                  I run with Portland every game. Play on Superstar/Hall of fame (sim sliders) 7 min QTRS
                  Last edited by Find_the_Door; 12-31-2012, 04:28 PM.
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                  • ecworldwide
                    Rookie
                    • May 2009
                    • 224

                    #10
                    Re: My Problem With Sim Players

                    im EC

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                    • JasonWilliams55
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 2045

                      #11
                      Re: My Problem With Sim Players

                      Originally posted by AllStarDaDon
                      I honestly dont under understand sim players.

                      They claim there sim but won't call there first timeout until the 4th quarter in a 12 minute game. I can't stand playing people who won't burn a timeout until the 2nd half because it throws off my rotation. And if were emulating the NBA you should be calling timeouts to constantly coach, mess with matchups, stops runs and momentum substiute players in and out due to certtain reasons that varies game to game.

                      Also when the other person doesn't call timeouts it messes with fatigue players get tired because there isn't a break in action, making them not as effective due to fatigue. If you guys were real hoop heads or sim heads you would knows theres TV timeouts in every quarter and would try to emulate that. I just don't understand how majority of you play 12 minute quarters and won't burn a timeout until the 3rd or 4th quarter.

                      Then people always want to know why there losing, or complain the game is to easy to score. But you guys won't call timeout when your opponent is in the middle of a 10 point run. I see it everyday I play people I go on a 10 point run, and they won't call a timeout. Then it happens to be the same people on OS complaining momentum isn't real, or it's broken or the game is to easy to score.

                      Free throw routines. Can you guys please stop skipping them? It's annoying because I'm trying to make subs and follow real life rotations and you guys are x'ing through the routines not even giving me time to sub not even a quick second to stretch if I need to. NBA players go through their routines in real life, very rarely do you see a player step to the line and just chuck up there free throw with no routine.

                      Cut scenes can you guys stop skipping these also? IMO it ruins the flow of the game and doesn't make it seem like a real NBA game. I love reading the real life up to date NBA stats during ball stoppages, it gives you info on the league. Also it flows like a real NBA game. As a sim player I want to have a NBA experiencine and emulate it the best I can, you guys are just so quick to rush back into the action it's annoying as ****. Can we just let the game flow please?

                      Then you got guys hitting you up for 7-10 minute "sim" leagues. SMH playing a game with the minutes shorter then 12 minutes is NOT NBA basketball. Some guys also hit you up for 8 minutes games that is NOT NBA basketball.

                      These are just a couple things that pisses me off with majority of sim players. It's annoying man you guys call yall selves sim but don't call no timeouts, make no coaching adjustments etc. The only person I really enjoy playing is EC WORLDWIDE because we are like minded individuals that just wants the full sim experience. We want the NBA flow of game, we call TV timeouts at the same time NBA games are scheduled to call them, we make coaching adjustments frequently, watch our free throw routines, we play with real life NBA defensive strategies and we actually run legit offense.

                      It's gotten to the point where me and him have our playvision completely off. Not on full, or lite but completely off. Because we understand NBA offenses so well we don't need diagrams on the court blindly telling us where to go. We read and react, also if you really know your offenses and sets it's easy to know what the next step is in the play is.

                      Guys I play love using the excuse "I never played with this team before", "I didn't know the plays I was running" etc. How come me and EC are able to pickup any of the 30 teams score, play D, run the offense, run plays we never ran before with the playvision off and with success?
                      Quoted for truth and needs to be repeated several more times.

                      Also the excuse of "I don't know the plays" is somewhat true, if you only run with say OKC, if you then go play with ORL, sure you might have some understanding of the play names (to figure out what to do) but it also still means that you don't know their plays by heart and that's why the excuse gets thrown around. I understand both sides and really don't care as long as you play basketball I'm good. I don't care if you run real team specific plays or if you run PNR all day, its your choice, just keep it to real basketball, not glitching, etc.

                      @Streaky, there is a whole crew that ASDD, EC, I and others who only play 12 mins SIM HOF.

                      I have been gone and am now back and its unfortunate to see this forum go so downhill as of late (been catching up on some forum threads).
                      "Most people would learn from their mistakes if they weren't so busy denying them"

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                      • Vni
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 14832

                        #12
                        Re: My Problem With Sim Players

                        I honestly don't know how you guys can pick a team at random and play on HOF sim and be good straight away with it. That's really impressive to me. Some people are slower than others, and I personnaly need more time. Only the shot timings take me ages to learn and they are thin on hof sim.

                        There are also teams that completely overwhelms me like the Heat (I played my first game with them against AllStarDaDon the other day and I sucked completely). Guess I'am just slow.

                        I also think that you can't expect as much dedication as you put into the game from anyone you play.

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                        • richmo
                          Almighty 2k Paper Champ
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 709

                          #13
                          Re: My Problem With Sim Players

                          Wait to shout me out, bruh!

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                          • Sam Marlowe
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 1230

                            #14
                            Re: My Problem With Sim Players

                            I think the OP should only be taken at face value in a sim league context. In that situation you can reasonably expect other players to devote the time and energy it takes to create an NBA type atmosphere in this game. Outside those lines its a foolish expectation and you shouldn't feel entitled to it. If you're playing another sim head in an exhibition game then you at know the game will look like basketball. Be content with that. There are many reasons for why perfectly good players cant/dont play in leagues. Dont assume everyone has the same monopoly on time as you do. If you're really expecting a full on 90 +min basketball simulation clinic everytime you pick upthe sticks then you will be eternally frustrated.

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                            • AllStarDaDon
                              Pro
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 932

                              #15
                              Re: My Problem With Sim Players

                              Originally posted by thefuzz7219
                              PS3 or Xbox?
                              Xbox
                              Originally posted by Vni
                              Hehe you gotta love AllstarDadon.

                              He's the most hardcore 2K gamer i've played against. Definately one of the best too.
                              Haha #HoopHead
                              Originally posted by Batum Shaka Laka
                              Friend of mine claims to be "so sim" yet doesn't call a timeout till the end of the 3rd and blows two (or three) consecutively. Why? Because he also doesn't rotate his players effectively.


                              Anyone that wants a true sim game, feel free to request me (Xbox).

                              GT: Find the Door

                              I run with Portland every game. Play on Superstar/Hall of fame (sim sliders) 7 min QTRS
                              I'll definitely add you bruh but I cant do no 7 minute quarters LOL
                              Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
                              Quoted for truth and needs to be repeated several more times.

                              Also the excuse of "I don't know the plays" is somewhat true, if you only run with say OKC, if you then go play with ORL, sure you might have some understanding of the play names (to figure out what to do) but it also still means that you don't know their plays by heart and that's why the excuse gets thrown around. I understand both sides and really don't care as long as you play basketball I'm good. I don't care if you run real team specific plays or if you run PNR all day, its your choice, just keep it to real basketball, not glitching, etc.

                              @Streaky, there is a whole crew that ASDD, EC, I and others who only play 12 mins SIM HOF.

                              I have been gone and am now back and its unfortunate to see this forum go so downhill as of late (been catching up on some forum threads).
                              Agreed with post. For the most part I don't care what type of plays you run as long as it isn't freelancing all game.
                              Originally posted by Vni
                              I honestly don't know how you guys can pick a team at random and play on HOF sim and be good straight away with it. That's really impressive to me. Some people are slower than others, and I personnaly need more time. Only the shot timings take me ages to learn and they are thin on hof sim.

                              There are also teams that completely overwhelms me like the Heat (I played my first game with them against AllStarDaDon the other day and I sucked completely). Guess I'am just slow.

                              I also think that you can't expect as much dedication as you put into the game from anyone you play.
                              Nah it's just because I watch every team. I have evenings to myself so when home I'm either watching league pass, or playing 2K.

                              Just watching teams play you pick up how the teams and specific players play. Then when you play 2K you just do what you seen the specific team do.
                              Originally posted by richmo
                              Wait to shout me out, bruh!
                              You know you on my favorites list(no homo) bro!

                              Originally posted by Sam Marlowe
                              I think the OP should only be taken at face value in a sim league context. In that situation you can reasonably expect other players to devote the time and energy it takes to create an NBA type atmosphere in this game. Outside those lines its a foolish expectation and you shouldn't feel entitled to it. If you're playing another sim head in an exhibition game then you at know the game will look like basketball. Be content with that. There are many reasons for why perfectly good players cant/dont play in leagues. Dont assume everyone has the same monopoly on time as you do. If you're really expecting a full on 90 +min basketball simulation clinic everytime you pick upthe sticks then you will be eternally frustrated.
                              I absolutely have no problem with this post at all.

                              But that's where being a hardcore basketball/2K head comes in. I want to do exactly what I see on TV and some people just want to have fun definitely nothing wrong either. I'm just voicing how I feel.
                              Add me om PSN for a good game of basketball!
                              PSN IsomotionKing

                              Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
                              This video game is a SIMULATION of BASKETBALL. Sure its not 100% perfect, but its pretty damn good. You will not get a SIMULATION STYLE BASKETBALL GAME by PLAYING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SIMULATION MEANS.


                              #HelloBrooklyn

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