True Franchise Players in 2k13

[JAMRenaissance]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

And now for something really controversial:

I don't view CP3 as a Franchise Guy in 2K13, IF YOU PLAY MYCAREER.

By this, I mean that CP3 is a heckuva weapon if you are playing as him and is clearly a top-tier, franchise talent. Playing AGAINST him, though, and he is... underwhelming. Perhaps this is as a New Orleanian that held zero beef with him leaving, but I expect him to tear me up in a game. When I look at the point guards I do not want against me in a Key Game, Derrick Rose and Stephen Curry do a lot more damage to my team than CP3.

I will also cite that, playing with him on your team, he definitely does make the team better. However, does he do so more than the above-named people? That's something I'd question.

If it makes you guys feel better, though, I would also not include Rajon Rondo on that list either.

[Taer]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

And now for something really controversial:

I don't view CP3 as a Franchise Guy in 2K13, IF YOU PLAY MYCAREER.

By this, I mean that CP3 is a heckuva weapon if you are playing as him and is clearly a top-tier, franchise talent. Playing AGAINST him, though, and he is... underwhelming. Perhaps this is as a New Orleanian that held zero beef with him leaving, but I expect him to tear me up in a game. When I look at the point guards I do not want against me in a Key Game, Derrick Rose and Stephen Curry do a lot more damage to my team than CP3.

I will also cite that, playing with him on your team, he definitely does make the team better. However, does he do so more than the above-named people? That's something I'd question.

If it makes you guys feel better, though, I would also not include Rajon Rondo on that list either.

In my 10 year Association Sim test run, Chris Paul's accomplishments were:

1: 1st in steals 10 years straight
2: Top 5 in Assists all ten years
3: 2 NBA Titles
4: Defensive Player of the Year - 1 time
5: 10 All-Star appearances

and a few other things.

My experience playing against him in MyCareer has been different then yours. Perhaps it has to do with difficulty/slider and roster differences. Usually, in games where I play him he has 5+ steals and 10+ assists.

I have not played on the Clippers in 2k13, so I can not answer your question about him on your team. I will say that him having the Floor General sig attribute makes the entire team better, and that neither Rose or Curry have that. Also Curry ends up being injured a lot in MyCareer for me. Even more than in the Association sim.

[JAMRenaissance]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

In my 10 year Association Sim test run, Chris Paul's accomplishments were:

1: 1st in steals 10 years straight
2: Top 5 in Assists all ten years
3: 2 NBA Titles
4: Defensive Player of the Year - 1 time
5: 10 All-Star appearances

and a few other things.

My experience playing against him in MyCareer has been different then yours. Perhaps it has to do with difficulty/slider and roster differences. Usually, in games where I play him he has 5+ steals and 10+ assists.

I have not played on the Clippers in 2k13, so I can not answer your question about him on your team. I will say that him having the Floor General sig attribute makes the entire team better, and that neither Rose or Curry have that. Also Curry ends up being injured a lot in MyCareer for me. Even more than in the Association sim.

I'm guessing a lot of it may be sliders and personal adjustments. By that, I mean "My first MyCareer was AS a PG, so we have to factor in that I'm probably guarding CP3 and modifying things accordingly". He does... okay... against a person, in my experience: 10-15 points, 6 or so assists, a couple of steals... but he is not someone who, when I play against him, I know my Teammate Rating is going down. That /IS/ the case for D. Rose, Curry, and the like.

It's not totally about the stats/sig skills - Kevin Love is a LOT more difficult to deal with than Andrew Bynum or Dwight Howard, even though he's not rated as highly as either (or would not be if he were changed to Center). Though Dwight IS on my list (he changes the game with his defense, and pretty much can't be stopped from scoring), Bynum barely stays in the game long enough and doesn't score outside of the paint enough to make a difference. I HATE when my C/PF gets moved to PF (or Love gets moved to C) when I play the Timberwolves; against Bynum, it's another day at the office.

I say that to say a MyCareer-Centric look at things results in a very different "Franchise Player" list.

[Taer]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

... I say that to say a MyCareer-Centric look at things results in a very different "Franchise Player" list.

The first obvious difference is the fact that in MyCareer, your made player is the Franchise Player and so the list turns into a more of a 2nd and 3rd piece of the puzzle situation.

Obviously, if your a PG, Chris Paul will not be high on your personal list; likewise if you are a Center, DHoward will not be a welcomed teammate. Here is where we need to look at what is happening around the league as a whole and MyCareer Franchise Players are still going to be those that lead their teammates to victory.

Also, a year 1 list will look much different then a year 10 list.

A list like this is more helpful to the MyCareer gamer if you look at pre-play and how a player does throughout the first year.

[BluFu]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

IRL I do consider Derrick Rose a Franchise Player - dependent on how well he comes back from his injury.

why do you need to consider this after he comes back? the guy won mvp already. any mvp is already a franchise player.

Everyone knows that the Bulls are still a good team without Rose (and that is in large part due to Thibs), but he gives them an extra dimension when he's on the floor. Rondo however, doesn't. When he pounds the ball like he has done for the past two years, the Celtics aren't better off for it.

As for Doc, he's an overrated coach, who gives the same excuse when his team loses,"We're just a terrible team right now." He's becoming a self-parody. He shouldn't have given Rondo the keys to the offense, like he has done. It just doesn't work. People got excited by the Celtics' moves because they were bringing in good players and they have a great defender in Bradley along with two future HOF'ers. By just making Pierce and Terry spot up shooters, you take a huge part of their game away, which is being effective at the pick and roll.

in whatever situation, you can't tell me that a guy averaging 13.7ppg, 11.1 apg and 5.6 rpg isn't a benefit to the team. to what degree? that's up for debate but you can't tell me the celtics aren't benefiting with him on the court. no way.

i do agree on your last bit on terry and pierce yeah. terrible role for them.

[Taer]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

why do you need to consider this after he comes back? the guy won mvp already. any mvp is already a franchise player...

If he comes back at 110% as he states he will, no problem. If on the other hand, he looks like DWade did in '08 or his game has changed due to mentally "not trusting his body as he once did" ... then he might not be at that same elite "Franchise Player" 110% level he was prior.

You seem to be basing your list on "lifetime" achievements. I base my list on what a guy is at the time of 2k's roster release. (or irl at the time I'm making a list).

Steve Nash, despite winning 2 MVP awards and being one of the NBA's best shooters of all time is not a Franchise Player right now. IRL or in 2k.

[BluFu]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

You seem to be basing your list on "lifetime" achievements. I base my list on what a guy is at the time of 2k's roster release. (or irl at the time I'm making a list).

Steve Nash, despite winning 2 MVP awards and being one of the NBA's best shooters of all time is not a Franchise Player right now. IRL or in 2k.

oh c'mooon steve nash? he won his 2 mvp's 7 years ago. rose won his just two seasons ago, is still young and is still the first option. two completely different cases.

[JAMRenaissance]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

The first obvious difference is the fact that in MyCareer, your made player is the Franchise Player and so the list turns into a more of a 2nd and 3rd piece of the puzzle situation.

Obviously, if your a PG, Chris Paul will not be high on your personal list; likewise if you are a Center, DHoward will not be a welcomed teammate. Here is where we need to look at what is happening around the league as a whole and MyCareer Franchise Players are still going to be those that lead their teammates to victory.

Also, a year 1 list will look much different then a year 10 list.

A list like this is more helpful to the MyCareer gamer if you look at pre-play and how a player does throughout the first year.

I feel like I'm not communicating well, unfortunately. I'm not saying CP3 isn't an MVP because I'm on the team. I'm saying, playing as the role of a franchise player, I do not feel like I'm playing against another franchise player when I play against CP3. I feel that when I play a few other PGs (such as Derrick Rose), but I don't feel much of a challenge or effect playing against Chris Paul.

Similarly, Kevin Love or Dwight Howard, in the game, feel like they are franchise players when I play as my C. Andrew Bynum doesn't score a lot, and really doesn't change things defensively like Howard does when I am playing against him, so Andrew Bynum doesn't feel like a franchise player when I face him as my franchise player.

So, again... my analysis isn't about who I'd want on my team; it's about who I feel brings the most to the table for the other team when I play against them. D-Rose or K-Love bring more to the table as adversaries than CP3 does. Mileage obviously varies, of course.

[Norris_Cole]

Re: True Franchise Players in 2k13

franchise players IRL

LBJ
D Howard
KD
D.Rose
CP3
R.Westbrook
K.Love
( thats all i can think of off the top of my head)

On 2k13

IMO there are too many to name i mean every elite player that can score shoot J.R Smith is an elite player on 2k so its just too many to talk about

Kevin Love isn't a franchise player, I'm sorry. Switch him with LaMarcus Aldridge