OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

[spankdatazz22]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

Why would you do that?

For the same reason I'd go to see a big movie release at midnight.

[mango_prom]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

For the same reason I'd go to see a big movie release at midnight.

That did not really answer my question...so maybe you could explain why you'd give a business company 65$ without even knowing what exactly they'll provide to you in exchange for your money?

Also, the message to 2k is pretty clear: I will buy anything. So why bother truly improving the game? Doesn't even matter. And looking at 2k12 and 13, that's exactly what they did.

[VDusen04]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

You know what I find hilarious? Overly vocal people that have nothing but complaints about 2K, supposedly "hardcore", want sim, sim, and more SIM - such as yourself - but openly admit you hope EA releases an NBA game because "you DO want to get that". Despite that game's quality when they did try to release it, despite the fact that they haven't shown so much as a feature list, a screenshot - even shown that they intend to release a NBA game in the first place. 2K has to "step up", but you'll buy a Live game sight unseen. Completely laughable. And of course you leave yourself wiggle room with saying maybe you won't wait to get 2k14. Wishy-washiness at it's finest.

The adage, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" comes to mind when I think of many of you that complain incessantly.

All I can say is I'm definitely going to revisit this thread when 2K starts releasing information, and the game releases. Because I feel many of the complainers are being disingenuous. As for me, I'll be standing in that long line waiting to get the game at midnight release.

True in some regards. There's always a faction of internet folk who are extremely critical of a game and insist there's no way they'll buy it the next year... only to eventually buy it anyway. That'll always happen. I kind of feel like their point isn't truly to say they don't want to buy the game, just that they're dissatisfied with the manner with which the game is meeting their personal needs.

I'm also not sure if people yearn for an EA release simply because they love EA. I think some are just missing an alternative, period. Live has looked terrrrrrrrrrrible over the past few years (hence it not being released) but I admit it would be nice to get the process started again of another company beginning to piece together a different look at how to play video game NBA basketball (perhaps on the next console).

In truth, I'd always been pretty satisfied as a 2K guy over the years and thus never really worried or cared what other games were made. But catching just the slightest glimpse of the potential direction 2K could be trying to take their game over the long run (always online, earning online coins to pay for online fake clothes for an always online MyPlayer and online MyTeams and card packs and online pickups with JayZ heavily influencing particular aspects) has at least made me pause for a moment.

As you know, the core game elements are still there right now, and I really enjoyed that aspect. But I really do not feel it's poor form to think about next year's decision, or at least to speak up and state one's displeasure a little bit here. I liked 2K13, but I admit I grew a little bored after I was more or less left with Quick Games and the same Association Mode we've seen for years but with the removal of D-League and addition of 2K5's TotalSimControl.

I always thought if the gameplay was solid, that'd be all that mattered, especially with 2K's base. And maybe it sounds ridiculous, but a lot of the random annoyances actually added up this year to wear me down a little bit. As I mentioned earlier, one of the primary feelings I had was that 2K13 kind of felt like a Facebook-majority type of game, where 2K took a look at social media votes and chose their direction that way, as if their primary mission was to appease the popular Twitter/Facebook crowd, as opposed to truly attempting to make the best NBA experience possible. I have to believe, if it was 2K's mission to simply make the best NBA game possible, the addition of golden coins and removal of D-League, Summer League, and Training Camp would not have been looked upon as positive changes.

Regardless, I think a lot of posters here are probably like me - we're honestly at least a very little discontent with the game. We like a lot of it, but I don't think it's out of the question to wonder or question what they're going to provide next year. Me? Well, I'm fighting tradition. I'm like the Madden guy who buys Madden every year regardless of the changes and additions. I got into this groove because, well, 2K does not have a habit of disappointing me. But 2K13 did feel a little different than years past and because of that, I feel a little more hesitant. I'd say chances are still very good that I purchase, but I've got some questions that weren't always there before.

I imagine I'm like a lot of people here. I say right now that I do not plan on getting extremely excited about 2K14 news when it begins leaking out. I say I'll accept it, but cautiously, for I recall how my hype for things such as the Dunk Contest, 3-Point Shootout, and Dream Team turned out (terrible implementation in the first two, no ability to edit or provide real opponents in the other). But then I feel like I'm not going to be able to help but be excited when the '14 news is actually released, which would just continue the vicious cycle of building things up to potentially be let back down.

I will say, for me, if 2K14 does anything dramatic with their classic teams (i.e. something besides nothing) that could influence my willingness to purchase immediately (or heaven forbid, at all). If they add more squads, create another classic mode, or even port over and enhance the Greatest Games Mode they had on ios last year, I'm pretty sure I'd be buying no matter what. On the flip side, if 2K13 was the start of phasing classics out and 2K14 completed that process, I might truly just be content with the new Grand Theft Auto for a while.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

That did not really answer my question...so maybe you could explain why you'd give a business company 65$ without even knowing what exactly they'll provide to you in exchange for your money?

Also, the message to 2k is pretty clear: I will buy anything. So why bother truly improving the game? Doesn't even matter. And looking at 2k12 and 13, that's exactly what they did.

I thought I was pretty succinct with my explanation. But since you need it spelled out:

I ENJOY the game - thoroughly. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here posting about it some 7-8months past it's release. I enjoyed 2K7, 2K8, 2K9 (somewhat), 2K10, 2K11, 2K12, and 2K13. I feel comfortable saying I'll likely enjoy 2K14 also.

I don't have the problems you have with the game. I'm not an online-ONLY player. I like the game modes offered and usually don't get a chance to even dabble in most of them because imo there's a lot of content offered with the core game. I don't freak out calling the game "not sim" because the 9th player on the bench isn't on the 2K-released rosters as you have. And if it were important to me, I'd download another roster that met my satisfaction. I don't see where playing a random online 5min quarter game those players become relevant. I don't have a problem with what 2K did with signature attributes in trying to further distinguish players outside of strict numeric ratings; I don't need everything broken down to some precise mathmatical equation. I love the legends content. I love that we're 7 months since the game released and ithe game's still relevant, if the NPD sales numbers are to be believed (game remains in the top 10 in sales). Or if the forum traffic numbers on OS are to be believed; the NBA2K forum is consistently the most visited forum. I'd think if the game were as bad as some of you allude to, these things wouldn't be the case.

I'm not buying a car. Or even a TV. It's a videogame. My fave sport is football. But when I realized it wasn't likely Madden would be the game I wanted it to be, I realized I was in the minority and walked away. I like the improvements 2K has made to the game year-to-year. If you feel they haven't, then I go back to my previous post - shame on you for continuing to purchase it.

[mango_prom]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

I ENJOY the game - thoroughly. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here posting about it some 7-8months past it's release. I enjoyed 2K7, 2K8, 2K9 (somewhat), 2K10, 2K11, 2K12, and 2K13. I feel comfortable saying I'll likely enjoy 2K14 also.

Perfectly understandable. Can't argue with that...I don't agree personally, but it makes sense then.

I don't freak out calling the game "not sim" because the 9th player on the bench isn't on the 2K-released rosters as you have.

The main issue is not the fact that some 3rd string players are missing. But playing against the Hawks, it's a joke that Josh Smith is as good of a midrange shooter as O.J.Mayo. Why? Because midrange god Josh Smith does not exist in reality. So what is 2k "simulating"?
Is Blake Griffin a better shooter than Marc Gasol? Absolutely not...at least in reality. 2k has so much wrong, it's pathetic.
And that's my problem with the game...not some role players missing. That's pretty ridiculous since it takes 10 minutes to fix, but it's hardly the main issue.
The league represented in 2k13 simply does not exist. It's a big market biased fantasy league, and for me personally not fun to play with.
I've used the analogy before...would you enjoy a football game where Ray Rice is a better passer than Joe Flacco? A soccer game where Mario Gomez is a better dribbler than Arjen Robben? Because that's exactly the level of total ignorance of real life basketball 2k exhibits with every roster update they've released so far.

If 2k13 is fun to you then fine, can't argue with personal taste. Perfectly understandable. But there are legitimate reasons to feel ripped off by the game, too. If you believed the stuff some devs told us in insight videos and the constant claims of developing an "NBA simulation", then 2k13 is a huge letdown, at least to me. Now if you like an easy to pick up fun arcade game...I see why you love 2k13. But it was advertised as something different, and that's my point.

I don't have a problem with what 2K did with signature attributes in trying to further distinguish players outside of strict numeric ratings; I don't need everything broken down to some precise mathmatical equation.

These 2 statements make not much sense to me. First of all, sig skills are nothing more than some little modifiers to numerical ratings, so 2k didn't do what you claim at all Also, the topic of having "everything broken down to some precise mathematical equation" has nothing to do with the issue. Besides, video games are just that, very complex mathematics. It doesn't mean sh*t how 2k labels their sig skills, they're still nothing more than numbers with a plus or minus sign in front of them.

I love that we're 7 months since the game released and ithe game's still relevant, if the NPD sales numbers are to be believed (game remains in the top 10 in sales). Or if the forum traffic numbers on OS are to be believed; the NBA2K forum is consistently the most visited forum. I'd think if the game were as bad as some of you allude to, these things wouldn't be the case.

That's an argument based on popularity, which is total nonsense. Who cares if others bought the game? Doesn't matter to me, everyone has different expectations. So if the game is fun to other people, that has nothing to do with me at all.
My expectations are simply rosters/tendencies that makes at least some sense, playbooks being tested instead of half-a**ed into the game and attention to defensive mechanics and playcalling. If 2k ignores these points, I won't buy it. Doesn't matter to anybody else what I do, so why should I care about sales charts, forum traffic and crap like that?

[spankdatazz22]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

Perfectly understandable. Can't argue with that...I don't agree personally, but it makes sense then.

Again, if you don't like the game/haven't liked the game or their direction, you shouldn't be purchasing it. And if you're gonna come back with the "2K11 was perfect!!!!" argument, I'd disagree. The idea that 2K13 is some complete divergence/the complete opposite of 2K11 (as some like to infer) is ridiculous to me. The same development team that people praise is the same one people try to damn using their own game against them, because they have nothing else to compare to. Other than real life - which is usually what you see here, the comparison to real life video. The game is rarely compared to another basketball game.

I remember one time seeing a guy touting that 2K11 was the greatest thing ever stuff, then he made the mistake of posting video of himself - which was nothing more than him running around iso'ing. He got clowned for it and never showed up again. Not saying that's the case with everyone, but I'm willing to bet there are a lot of people here that think they know what they're doing and they really don't. That guy that constant rants about 2K13 not being a sim because Phil Jackson isn't in the game comes to mind - watching video of him playing is painful. Yet to him, the game's a joke (yet he somehow manages to stomach playing it)

The main issue is not the fact that some 3rd string players are missing. But playing against the Hawks, it's a joke that Josh Smith is as good of a midrange shooter as O.J.Mayo. Why? Because midrange god Josh Smith does not exist in reality. So what is 2k "simulating"?
Is Blake Griffin a better shooter than Marc Gasol? Absolutely not...at least in reality. 2k has so much wrong, it's pathetic.

That's an issue you have with the rosters, not the game itself. Which can be easily rectfified by making manual ratings changes or downloading any of the myriad rosters available out there. If it's "I want to play online" then, that's an online issue imo. Again I don't see that as a core issue with the game itself. If I could fix my issues with Madden with roster/ratings changes, or downloading someone else's roster, I'd jump on it in a second.

If you believed the stuff some devs told us in insight videos and the constant claims of developing an "NBA simulation", then 2k13 is a huge letdown, at least to me. Now if you like an easy to pick up fun arcade game...I see why you love 2k13. But it was advertised as something different, and that's my point.

Regardless of what it's advertised as, it's your responsibility as a consumer to make an informed choice. This is where some of you lose me because you refuse to take responsibility for purchasing the game and blame 2K or others for hyping you into purchasing it, or something of that nature. You realize you're in the minority in terms of having these ridiculous expectations yet hide behind the "They said it's a sim and [it doesn't meet my expectation of what a simulation is so I'll label it an arcade game]".

I think back when 2K12 released and the Czar did a series of videos giving video proof of where 2K12 was an improvement over 2K11 and people seemed to love them. Of course months later just before 2K13 released you had people claiming the Czar "misled" them and the game was a fraud/horrible/worst thing foisted on humanity/etc. The hyperbole never ends here.

That's an argument based on popularity, which is total nonsense. Who cares if others bought the game? Doesn't matter to me, everyone has different expectations. So if the game is fun to other people, that has nothing to do with me at all.

Of course it wouldn't matter to you if you're only focused on your own self-interests. You take these hard principled stances and want it to be your way or the highway. It's not okay that some of your interests are represented, it's all or nothing. I get the feeling some of you would prefer to see your vision of the game implemented and see it fail than your vision be compromised and see it succeed. This isn't a game just for you or me. And if that's what you need, then perhaps you shouldn't go into purchasing this particular game. Madden isn't for me. But I wouldn't sit here and say it's an arcade game; an arcade game is NFL Blitz. I don't like what the product is so I choose not to purchase it - simple.

At the end of the day 2K's trying to sell a product. My citing the popularity of the game was to show 2K is succeeding at making a game that has broad appeal. They did so without the benefit of exclusivity, in an open market they made a better product and customers responded. I don't think the ambiguous title of "most hardcore simulation" matters at the end of the day. The whole arcade vs. sim label is the only way some in the minority feel they can get their point across.

[PJBrownHeat]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

I think you was talking about me. For my videos on youtube when i make a video of me with a cam i play very bad. When i play without cam i am able of great great things!!
I just come beat 94 nuggets 122/104 with bulls 96 i was unstoppable but 8 dunk in 1st half only 4 in the scd half. Level hof 12 min
14/22 3 pts jordan 33 pts in the first half! First try against nuggets i lost by 20 pts. If i could cam this game i think even michael jordan would like this game. Biggest lead 27 pts!!!

I love nba 2k13 better than 2k11 it is sure but i'm disappointed by art departement. I thanks 2k because they give phi high post 2 when it works it is faboulous backdoor and i know excatly all the improvement of the gameplay.

That´s all.

[shogunbowling]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

I think 2K deserves way more credit than yall are giving them. They didn't go from NBA Live's little brother to King of the Court by not doing something consistently right. Every year a new, impactful feature(s) is added to the game. And you can't claim they don't listen to the fans. Just check out the wishlist thread from the last few yrs and you'll see a lot of those have been put in the game. I do think they should go back and pop in 2K8 and 2K11 to see what made those games so fun -- good contact animation and gameplay balance. And bringing crew back would put it over the top.

are you forgetting 2K13 added

Signature Skills
Control Stick (best control yet)
All Star Weekend
Dream Team
My player blacktop online
Association improvements
Accessories
My Team
Better Servers
No My Player Hacks


2K14 = a must buy

Sig Skills were in Live 06
Dream Team with no competition. Hell, Live had that
What Association improvements? Seems the exact same to me. Except Online Associations still don't work.
No My Player Hacks, but who cares because they took out Crew Mode.

I feel 2K totally dropped the ball this year. I swear, this game has turned into everything that was hated about Live, yet fanboys will not admit it.

[Sausage]

Late to the thread, but the the NBA 2K series has always exceeded my expectations. They listen and give us a realistic representation of basketball. This series will always be a day 1, buy.

[bumpyface]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

I have it coming through gamefly. This will be the 1st year I don't pre-order. I don't think 13 is horrible and I have a feeling the development team is aiming more at the younger gamers. I can't really blame them because that's where the money is. My biggest complaint with 13 is the simulation. It appears that in 2k's attempt to make the game as close to real life as possible, they have taken away alot of the ability to change the outcome of games or matches if you will. Too many things are simulated in the gameplay. You never have 100% of control in a nba2k13 match. For example, in an online match a less skilled player could select MIA of OKC and be as successful as someone who is more familiar with basketball know how and nba2k itself. While in "real life" a team like MIA would beat a Mil, or Bobcat team, this shouldn't determine the victor in a basketball video game between to individuals. Also basketball fundamentals such as passing, and rebounding are awful in 2k13. Even when you box out the opposing rebounders some lone pg always comes up with the rock. Again I don't knock 2k for handi-capping the game, but they should have seperate game modes for casual and the more serious gamers.

[JasonMartin]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

You know what I find hilarious? Overly vocal people that have nothing but complaints about 2K, supposedly "hardcore", want sim, sim, and more SIM - such as yourself - but openly admit you hope EA releases an NBA game because "you DO want to get that". Despite that game's quality when they did try to release it, despite the fact that they haven't shown so much as a feature list, a screenshot - even shown that they intend to release a NBA game in the first place. 2K has to "step up", but you'll buy a Live game sight unseen. Completely laughable. And of course you leave yourself wiggle room with saying maybe you won't wait to get 2k14.

The single reason I'm willing to buy EA Live sight unseen is because I want them back in the market, to grow again, to support them. EA Live is probably going to be a bad game, who cares. 2K12 was bad, 2K13 isn't all that.


We need (maybe you are too stupid to realize this) more than 1 company that releases NBA games. Competition is needed, 2K is slacking.

[JasonMartin]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

I'm not buying a car. Or even a TV. It's a videogame. My fave sport is football. But when I realized it wasn't likely Madden would be the game I wanted it to be, I realized I was in the minority and walked away. I like the improvements 2K has made to the game year-to-year. If you feel they haven't, then I go back to my previous post - shame on you for continuing to purchase it.

You are hilarious. Calling me out for the fact I'm willing to buy EA Live sight unseen but here we have mr spankdatazzz who does the same thing for NBA 2K even though he doesn't know jack about the what has changed and is hoping it will satisfy him again.

[thedream2k13]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

The single reason I'm willing to buy EA Live sight unseen is because I want them back in the market, to grow again, to support them. EA Live is probably going to be a bad game, who cares. 2K12 was bad, 2K13 isn't all that.


We need (maybe you are too stupid to realize this) more than 1 company that releases NBA games. Competition is needed, 2K is slacking.

I hope NBA Live comes back strong also but I cannot make a blind purchase. 2k is now casual friendly so live has my attention until I see their progress. The best demo gets my $ this year.

[mango_prom]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

You are hilarious. Calling me out for the fact I'm willing to buy EA Live sight unseen but here we have mr spankdatazzz who does the same thing for NBA 2K even though he doesn't know jack about the what has changed and is hoping it will satisfy him again.

He'll be standing in line to get the game at midnight on release day...and tells me to make an informed purchase decision.
I think it's like people who camp in front of an Apple store to earn themselves some high fives from employers that don't give a sh*t about them...

But that's exactly how you establish and sustain a brand identiy. It's smart business. 2k has a huge fanbase that is willing to buy anything without even thinking for one second about it. EA did this for years, too. That's why they put so much effort into Jay-Z promotion, glittery menus and shoe/accessory updates instead of gameplay and realism. It's about getting people emotionally invested into the brand

Sucks for some hardcore fans, but its smart. Just think about the guys talking about real NBA games. Why do former world class players/coaches ramble about bullsh*t like clutch/stepping up/hot hand and other media narratives? To make sure that every casual watcher knows what's going on.

Hardcore fans will watch regardless, but for people less involved into the sport, "Dirk vs. Lebron" is easier to understand than explaining the defensive concepts enabling the Heat meltdown in the 2011 finals. Do you really think former All-Stars like Webber/Payton or coaches like Van Gundy couldn't talk about something with more substance to it? They're not supposed to, because for each harcore fan loving deep analysis, there are 10 kids wearing their Lebron/Kobe/Griffin jeseys getting bored because it's over their head.

This applies to video games as well. The very simple logic is: Hardcore fans have to buy it regardless due to lack of competition, so it's safer to keep the game as simple as possible to attract more customers. Can't blame 2k.

[Vni]

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Again, if you don't like the game/haven't liked the game or their direction, you shouldn't be purchasing it. And if you're gonna come back with the "2K11 was perfect!!!!" argument, I'd disagree. The idea that 2K13 is some complete divergence/the complete opposite of 2K11 (as some like to infer) is ridiculous to me. The same development team that people praise is the same one people try to damn using their own game against them, because they have nothing else to compare to. Other than real life - which is usually what you see here, the comparison to real life video. The game is rarely compared to another basketball game.

I remember one time seeing a guy touting that 2K11 was the greatest thing ever stuff, then he made the mistake of posting video of himself - which was nothing more than him running around iso'ing. He got clowned for it and never showed up again. Not saying that's the case with everyone, but I'm willing to bet there are a lot of people here that think they know what they're doing and they really don't. That guy that constant rants about 2K13 not being a sim because Phil Jackson isn't in the game comes to mind - watching video of him playing is painful. Yet to him, the game's a joke (yet he somehow manages to stomach playing it)



That's an issue you have with the rosters, not the game itself. Which can be easily rectfified by making manual ratings changes or downloading any of the myriad rosters available out there. If it's "I want to play online" then, that's an online issue imo. Again I don't see that as a core issue with the game itself. If I could fix my issues with Madden with roster/ratings changes, or downloading someone else's roster, I'd jump on it in a second.



Regardless of what it's advertised as, it's your responsibility as a consumer to make an informed choice. This is where some of you lose me because you refuse to take responsibility for purchasing the game and blame 2K or others for hyping you into purchasing it, or something of that nature. You realize you're in the minority in terms of having these ridiculous expectations yet hide behind the "They said it's a sim and [it doesn't meet my expectation of what a simulation is so I'll label it an arcade game]".

I think back when 2K12 released and the Czar did a series of videos giving video proof of where 2K12 was an improvement over 2K11 and people seemed to love them. Of course months later just before 2K13 released you had people claiming the Czar "misled" them and the game was a fraud/horrible/worst thing foisted on humanity/etc. The hyperbole never ends here.



Of course it wouldn't matter to you if you're only focused on your own self-interests. You take these hard principled stances and want it to be your way or the highway. It's not okay that some of your interests are represented, it's all or nothing. I get the feeling some of you would prefer to see your vision of the game implemented and see it fail than your vision be compromised and see it succeed. This isn't a game just for you or me. And if that's what you need, then perhaps you shouldn't go into purchasing this particular game. Madden isn't for me. But I wouldn't sit here and say it's an arcade game; an arcade game is NFL Blitz. I don't like what the product is so I choose not to purchase it - simple.

At the end of the day 2K's trying to sell a product. My citing the popularity of the game was to show 2K is succeeding at making a game that has broad appeal. They did so without the benefit of exclusivity, in an open market they made a better product and customers responded. I don't think the ambiguous title of "most hardcore simulation" matters at the end of the day. The whole arcade vs. sim label is the only way some in the minority feel they can get their point across.

Déja-vu. You added some new stuff though I'd give you that. The part where you said Czar showed proofs that 2K12 was better was funny.

Feel free to show us your gameplay btw, because even if PJbrownheat's post are hard to read and sometimes boring/off topic I haven't seen anything wrong with his gameplays. He seems like a very knowledgable person when it comes to the Bulls era.