OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

[turty11]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

im gonna be buying 2k games until some one else makes a decent basketball game.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

NBA 2k14 will be a day one purchase for me. I think they heard our cries of "Get Back To Sim" and will stop chasing these casuals.

[mango_prom]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

NBA 2k14 will be a day one purchase for me. I think they heard our cries of "Get Back To Sim" and will stop chasing these casuals.

"Getting back to sim" would be just dumb business wise. Sales show that 2k did a great job at providing a product that generates a huge number of customers. Making the next game less accessible would not do anything for 2k as a company, so I don't see why there should be much change.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

The single reason I'm willing to buy EA Live sight unseen is because I want them back in the market, to grow again, to support them. EA Live is probably going to be a bad game, who cares. 2K12 was bad, 2K13 isn't all that.


We need (maybe you are too stupid to realize this) more than 1 company that releases NBA games. Competition is needed, 2K is slacking.

I'll give you credit. I didn't think anyone would try rationalizing the idiotic statement you initially made, but you came right out and tried - by making an even more idiotic statement.

There are so many things wrong with what you said, I don't know where to begin. So I'm not going to even try. "Who cares if Live is bad, competition is needed"...? I wonder if you truly understand why there isn't another basketball game in the market right now. I'm guessing you somehow blame 2K lol. But that's not altogether false, because 2K did do the MMA equivalent of making an opponent tap out in the first round, or the boxing equivalent of knocking a guy out in the first minute of the first round, or maybe a better analogy is forcing an opponent to throw in the towel before the fight even starts.

TWICE.

Yeah, I guess it kinda is 2K's fault.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

He'll be standing in line to get the game at midnight on release day...and tells me to make an informed purchase decision.

Seriously - I'm guessing you're older than twelve, how hard is it to understand? If I go to a restaurant 5 times and served 5 good meals, I don't go into the 6th meal expecting the worst. If I buy the same brand car/tv/microwave/camera/bar of soap 5 times and I have 5 good experiences, I don't go into the next with a what have you done for me lately view. I feel somewhat comfortable that they're going to deliver. I don't see how that's so outrageous a view to have.

Some of you act as if NBA2K's releases have gone like this:

bad game, bad game, bad game, BEST GAME EVER CREATED BY MAN/GOD-LIKE, bad game, bad game

If that's the case, then take responsibility for making the purchase decision. They didn't Jedi mind-trick you, they didn't fool you with flashy fireworks and candy, etc. Because by trying to make it seem it's their fault you make yourself look silly. imo.

[thedream2k13]

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"Getting back to sim" would be just dumb business wise. Sales show that 2k did a great job at providing a product that generates a huge number of customers. Making the next game less accessible would not do anything for 2k as a company, so I don't see why there should be much change.

they are supposed to making a basketball sim i thought? They made the game accessible by making advanced moves simple double button presses. 2k is the only game on the market so they didn't need to go the casual route and as a member of this forum , after playing 2k13 online you should be in agreement with getting 2k back to what made it better than nba live...... simulation

[JerzeyReign]

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"Getting back to sim" would be just dumb business wise. Sales show that 2k did a great job at providing a product that generates a huge number of customers. Making the next game less accessible would not do anything for 2k as a company, so I don't see why there should be much change.

Getting back to sim (which in this case is used as a replacement for realistic) would be dumb? Sim is what pushed 2k to the forefront of virtual basketball. Sim is what EA is over there trying to master.

NBA 2k has always pushed sim - well, until Live fell out of the picture. Once that happened they grabbed some of the favorites/ideas from that series to reel in the fans, which is a great move by them. Unfortunately it watered down some of the sim foundation as they seemed to be pulled to far into the casual zone IMO.

But despite that 2k has always seemed to come back to the community and implement our ideas. I won't argue with guys who say this is a terrible game because everyone is entitled to their thoughts but I personally think its a great game - at least when played against the CPU or another sim gamer. The flaws in this game are only pushed to the light when in a random online match - from a gameplay perspective.

I do have a question though: If you guys are done with 2k and will purchase Live, why not go into that forum and help push ideas to that dev team? No real reason to argue with fans of 2k if Live is your choice. You guys can go help that game get better and the guys who like 2k can attempt to get this game better. Win win for everyone, right? Carry on.

[mango_prom]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

they are supposed to making a basketball sim i thought? They made the game accessible by making advanced moves simple double button presses. 2k is the only game on the market so they didn't need to go the casual route and as a member of this forum , after playing 2k13 online you should be in agreement with getting 2k back to what made it better than nba live...... simulation

I disagree, that's precisely why they went into that direction. Basketball fans had only the option to buy 2k12/2k13 or no game at all no matter what. So 2ks main focus was to get people somewhat interested in sports game to spend money on their games. This means a more arcade oriented game. I don't like this direction either, but it's a good business strategy.

But that's not altogether false, because 2K did do the MMA equivalent of making an opponent tap out in the first round, or the boxing equivalent of knocking a guy out in the first minute of the first round, or maybe a better analogy is forcing an opponent to throw in the towel before the fight even starts.

Are you emotionally attached to the success of 2ksports? It appears like you actually take some personal pride in "the long line at release night", forum traffic and sales numbers and stuff like that. No offense, it's just a little bit irritating to me. The main difference is that I've said numerous times to perfectly understand why people like 2k13...but there are legitimate reasons to dislike the game.

But what does this quote try to say? Live has been around since 1994, the first 2k was released in 1999. First round? Don't see your point at all. The real reason for 2ks success was that starting with 2k8, they consistently pushed their quality further than EA and with the Jordan/retro teams add ons to 2k11, EA could simlpy not catch up in terms of quality. It was a gradual process, not some black/white all or nothing knockout scenario.

Besides, the fact that EAs last tries turned out rather pathetic has nothing to do with 2k "knocking them out", it's solely EAs fault. So I'm kinda rooting for EA, it's getting stale right now. Even if the first attempts might suck, Live 10 had some cool ideas that could be expanded.
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[turty11]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

cant we all just agree IF EA ever gets a decent game going again 2k will put the effort into making this game great..more importantly getting a real roster insider rather than the current outsider

[Streaky McFloorburn]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

Déja-vu. You added some new stuff though I'd give you that. The part where you said Czar showed proofs that 2K12 was better was funny.

Feel free to show us your gameplay btw, because even if PJbrownheat's post are hard to read and sometimes boring/off topic I haven't seen anything wrong with his gameplays. He seems like a very knowledgable person when it comes to the Bulls era.

In fairness, Czar's series of videos on the increased effectiveness of certain plays in 2K12 vs. 2K11 was a pretty big factor in the pre-release interest level among simheads.
I know when I saw them (even though I barely run plays) I said to myself, "it looks like they really do care about the finer aspects of realistic gameplay". Even if we acknowledge all the reasons that doesn't appear to be the case, it certainly showed that they weren't completely ignoring things that wouldn't help sell the game to casuals.

While I can't understand Spankdatazz taking needless shots at PJBrownHeat, there's also no need to knock Czar's efforts down in an attempt to discredit his opinion. As far as I can tell, he made those videos because he cares about realism, not NBA2K sales numbers.

I agree with aspects of everybody's position, it's just that while I love , I think tends to advance a discussion more.

[Vni]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

Lol my intent isn't to knock Czar's efforts. At all.

I just thought it was completely irrelevant to this discussion.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: OK enough complaining..who will get NBA 2K14?

I disagree, that's precisely why they went into that direction. Basketball fans had only the option to buy 2k12/2k13 or no game at all no matter what. So 2ks main focus was to get people somewhat interested in sports game to spend money on their games. This means a more arcade oriented game. I don't like this direction either, but it's a good business strategy.

These labels some of you love sticking with - casual vs. hardcore, arcade vs. sim... I understand it's the only way you feel you can get a dig at the developer, but at the end of the day it doesn't mean much. It's unfortunate, because I think 75% of this arcade/sim nonsense is about online and how random people choose to play the game. And I guess the disdain some of you have at 2K trying to make more than a tiny fraction of the extensive move set available more accessible. The game more than gives you the tools to get it to play in any manner you choose offline. So stop with the "it's an arcade game".

Are you emotionally attached to the success of 2ksports? It appears like you actually take some personal pride in "the long line at release night", forum traffic and sales numbers and stuff like that. No offense, it's just a little bit irritating to me.

And? This isn't the "Free to berate NBA2K until Live returns" forum. A few of you have explained why you rarely have much constructive to say when it comes to NBA2K, because you're pining for Live's return. I understand the Live forum's a little on the quiet side right now, but that shouldn't mean you should get free reign to disparage nearly everything in this forum.

Besides, the fact that EAs last tries turned out rather pathetic has nothing to do with 2k "knocking them out", it's solely EAs fault. So I'm kinda rooting for EA, it's getting stale right now. Even if the first attempts might suck, Live 10 had some cool ideas that could be expanded.
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Solely EA's fault? Again, making excuses. It's always possible for a team to lose a game, rather than the other team win. You could take the Boston/New York series and say Boston lost the series more than the Knicks won. Or maybe the Lakers lost their series more than they were beaten. No, both teams were beaten by beaten by better teams.

The fact is we haven't had an EA basketball release in I guess 3-4yrs now - one year they didn't even try. When there was the Jesus Bynum thing, many people openly said EA still would've likely released that game if it were the only basketball game available that year. So don't make it seem like they would've taken the high and noble road and not released a title if there wasn't already another basketball game out there. They haven't released games because there's a more superior title out there. Period.

If they had a title that could compete, I'm positive they would've released it. But easier for you to take the stance that EA's incompetent, and 2K is only slightly less so...? Since their basketball game is/has been so bad in your eyes.

[mango_prom]

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These labels some of you love sticking with - casual vs. hardcore, arcade vs. sim... I understand it's the only way you feel you can get a dig at the developer, but at the end of the day it doesn't mean much.

I don't think you should rely on ad hominems to get the point across. Besides, do you really believe that there is no valid criticism on 2ks game design strategy possible and it's all "getting a dig at someone"? That's exactly what I meant by saying you're overly attached to a brand. How do you know i want to get a dig at 2k devs? What makes you sure I'm not simply interested in a civilized discussion about a product I've criticized in the past?

Based on your logic, we couln't talk about movies we disliked, concerts that disappointed us or any product in general we're disappointed with. If you basically answer with "A lot of people like it, therefore you're wrong", "You hate 2k devs" and "Go to the Live forum", that's simply not a basis for any kind of discussion

A few of you have explained why you rarely have much constructive to say when it comes to NBA2K, because you're pining for Live's return. I understand the Live forum's a little on the quiet side right now, but that shouldn't mean you should get free reign to disparage nearly everything in this forum.

First of all...disparage the forum? The thread is about whether we'll buy 2k14 or not. So people answer and explain ther opinion. There are hundreds of threads about dunks,shoes,wristband, and a thread dedicated to "What 2k13 did right". If I'd post about broken playbooks in a shoe thread then yeah, your criticism would be perfectly valid. But it doesn't apply to this thread at all.

Now, it's quite irritating how you turn this thing into "2k fans vs. Live fans". It's simply not the right basis for any discussion. And the irony is that on the one hand you hint I'm pretty much only hating, but pretty much all of at least of my criticism is based on advanced NBA statistics and the question how much effort 2k puts into recreating them.

Solely EA's fault? Again, making excuses. It's always possible for a team to lose a game, rather than the other team win. You could take the Boston/New York series and say Boston lost the series more than the Knicks won. Or maybe the Lakers lost their series more than they were beaten. No, both teams were beaten by beaten by better teams.

How can you possibly compare team sport competitions to video game sales numbers?
Also...I say if EA releases a bad game, it's EA's fault...now that's an excuse to you? For what?

But easier for you to take the stance that EA's incompetent, and 2K is only slightly less so...? Since their basketball game is/has been so bad in your eyes.

I'd say it's not a matter of competence, but rather effort and general business direction. Now I know you've started using ad hominem attacks to get your point across, so any differentiated statement might not interest you. But still, to me it's a matter of how to get the most people to buy your product.
And sadly, having some overrated rap star endorsing your product generates more sales than integrating synergy data or having playbooks created based upon suggestions by people with real life coaching experience.

Apparently I have to repeat again...I absolutlely understand what people like about 2k13...but to discard any differing opinion at the level you displayed is maybe not insulting, but at least highly irritating.

[JasonMartin]

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I'll give you credit. I didn't think anyone would try rationalizing the idiotic statement you initially made, but you came right out and tried - by making an even more idiotic statement.

There are so many things wrong with what you said, I don't know where to begin. So I'm not going to even try. "Who cares if Live is bad, competition is needed"...? I wonder if you truly understand why there isn't another basketball game in the market right now. I'm guessing you somehow blame 2K lol. But that's not altogether false, because 2K did do the MMA equivalent of making an opponent tap out in the first round, or the boxing equivalent of knocking a guy out in the first minute of the first round, or maybe a better analogy is forcing an opponent to throw in the towel before the fight even starts.

TWICE.

Yeah, I guess it kinda is 2K's fault.

Why would I blame 2K? You are so delusional. You think that by acting smart that you are right? You should get your head checked. You say there are so many things wrong with my statement, yet you don't take the time to show everyone? Because there isn't anything wrong, rofl. Keep making up stuff.


You are the one who is camping outside to be the 1st to get the latest NBA 2K. Get a life.

[IYoDa]

Ok, I've witnessed A LOT of criticism on 2K13, to the point people say they HATE this game. I want to hear from those people with enough balls to say they refuse to give 2K another dime and will NOT purchase 2K14! Personally, NBA2K forum boards are still the most active on this site, 7 months after the release...so I think many are hypocrites and WILL purchase (maybe secretively..lol) yet another version in October. Granted this game requires custom sliders/rosters to be great, but I think this game is awesome and I will continue purchasing.

Here's my balls.
I will NOT be buying 2k14. I sold 2k13 a week after they raised reach in calls to EVERY REACH.
I'm staying with 2k12. The only difference is rosters which can be made or downloaded.
The dribble stick I can do without.
If, and it's a huge IF, I ever get 2k13 again it will be offline, on pc and WITHOUT patches.